/lit/ - Literature

>>7022872
You can always become the next Bukowski

>>7022927
>implying Bukowski would get published in 2015

>DFW was 24 when Broom of the System was published
>Zadie Smith was 25 when White Teeth was published
>Marek Hlasko was 23 when Eighth Day of the Week was published
>F.S. Fitzgerald was 23 when This Side of Paradise was published
>Carson McCullers was 23 when The Heart is a Lonely Hunter was published
>Tao Lin was 24 when EEEEE EEE EEEE & Bed were published
>Italo Calvino was 23 when The Path to the Nest of the Spiders was published
>Kerouac was 20 when The Sea is My Brother was published
>Goethe was 25 when The Sorrows of Young Werther was published
>Musil was 25 when The Confusions of Young Torless was published
>Hemingway was 25 when In Our Time was published
>Tatsuhiko Takimoto was 24 when Welcome to the NHK was published
>Ryu Murakami was 24 when Almost Transparent Blue was published
>Garcia Marquez was 20 when Eyes of a Blue Dog was published
>Nietzsche was 18 when "Napoleon III as a President" was published
>Nietzsche was 18 when "Fate and History" was published
>Nietzsche was 18 when Free Will and Fate was published
>Saramago was 25 years old when Land of Sun was published
>Dickens was 25 when The Pickwick Papers was published
>Huxley was 25 when Limbo was published
>James Joyce was 25 when Chamber Music was published
>Proust was 25 when Pleasures and Days was published
>Mishima was 23 when Confessions of a Mask was published
>Bret Easton Ellis was 21 when Less Than Zero was published
>Bret Easton Ellis was 23 when Rules of Attraction was published
>Kenzaburō Ōe was 23 when Nip the Buds, Shoot the Kids was published
>Emile Zola was 24 when Contes à Ninon was published
>Balzac was 20 when Cromwell was published
>Baudelaire was 24 when Salon of 1845 was published
>Hitomi Kanehara was 20 when Snakes and Earrings was published
>Stig Dagerman was 23 when Ormen was published
>Strindberg was 22 when The Outlaw was published
>Ibsen was 22 when Catiline was published
>Milan Kundera was 24 when Man: A Wide Garden was published
>Adam Thirwell was 24 when Politics was published
>Ned Beaumann was 25 when Boxer, Beetle was published
>Norman Mailer was 25 when The Naked and the Dead was published
>Eleanor Catton was 22 when The Rehearsal was published
>Robert Walser was 23 when Schneewittchen was published
>Noah Cicero was 23 when The Human War was published
>Jorge Luis Borges was 24 when Fervor de Buenos Aires was published
>Tolstoy was 24 when Childhood was published
>Johan Harstad was 23 when Amublance was published
>Mira Gonzalez was 21 when i will never be beautiful enough for us to be beautiful together was published
>Mira Gonzalez was 23 when Collected Tweets was published
>Kim Insuk was 20 when Bloodline was published
>Evelyn Waugh was 25 when Decline and Fall was published
>Ben Brooks was 18 when Grow Up was published

>Luna Miguel was 22 when Bluebird and Other Tattoos was published
>Luna Miguel was 23 when La tumba del marinero was published
>Nathaniel Hawthorne was 24 when Fanshawe was published
>Masuji Ibuse was 25 when Yu Hei was published
>Philip Pullman was 25 when The Haunted Storm was published
>Alice Hoffman was 25 when Property Of was published

>>7022872
melville died a failure, deeply in debt
practically no great works in the 20th century netted their authors great fame and fortune in their lives

maybe if you take your eyes off yourself and place them on the prize you can accomplish something worthwhile with your life, no? Or do you just want to die after living a comfortable life without ever doing anything worthy of remark?

Maybe you do. Perhaps we should just sit here, wasting our lives away and waiting for the end to come to us. No point in doing anything, right? Just let your life slip past and never do anything because ooga booga the gubberment, the capitalist pigs, the jews. Whatever excuse you want to give yourself for not putting your life and soul into a project and seeing it to fruition.

I don't have room in my life for people like you, op. People without resolve or purpose.
Enjoy making these threads until you die.

>>7022948
>practically no great works in the 20th century netted their authors great fame and fortune in their lives

Stupid thing to say

>>7022948
What is your "project"?

I ask with sincere interest.

>>7022872
Reading and practice are the best education in creative writing.
For example, spend time writing short pieces that imitate the style of authors you admire.
For another example, take a look online at lists of rhetorical devices and experiment with them.
Never be intimidated by literary types of whatever background. They will never write the book(s) you're capable of.

>>7022966
>Never be intimidated by literary types of whatever background. They will never write the book(s) you're capable of.

Literally slave morality.

>w-we have something rich people w-will never have, just because we're poor

>>7022971
Slave morality, eh? And you see things clearly which is why you know you'll never make it.
So, why bother? Wallow in your paralytic lucidity, if you wish. Meanwhile I'll just cleave to m-my i-illusions.
Get a grip, man. If you've got nothing to contribute to literature, don't fault your purse.

>>7022952
Is it a stupid thing to say? That was my impression anyways. I don't suppose you have any data for your side of the argument anyhow.

>>7022953
I'm not published, but I mean writing a novel worthy of becoming canon someday. Seeing it to fruition applies to everything though, from entrepreneurs to artists.

>>7023002
What is your novel about?

>>7022971
>extrapolating that from what he said at all, even though the exact same thing could be said about a rich author, indeed of any author

I want the edgy Nietzschean-skimming poseurs to leave.

>>7023012
*shoves you against a locker*

"What the h**k did you say to me?!?!?!?!"

>>7023012
I thought the same thing but then I realized both of you misrepresented eachothers' arguments.
so

>>7023002
I think it's pretty accurate. I mean, Salinger got stupid famous and wealthy with Catcher in the Rye, but he is by no means the rule. Fitzgerald wasn't particularly wealthy, though Hemingway did well as well as Faulkner. Once we get down to the writers /lit/ likes from the 20th Century, even fewer could be have said to have great fame and fortune.

>>7022872

"The son of a house painter of mixed black and Portuguese ancestry, he was raised, after his mother’s death, by a stepmother, also of mixed parentage. Sickly, epileptic, unprepossessing in appearance, and a stutterer, he found employment at the age of 17 as a printer’s apprentice and began to write in his spare time. "

>>7023040
Literally who tho tbh

>>7022937
>>Ben Brooks was 18 when Grow Up was published
i know you like to throw in some shit ones sometimes but you took it too far

>>7023193
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rFv8ZOx7znQ

>>7023039
Faulkner's books did well but he was poor

>>7023193
Greatest writer of Brazilian literature.

"Machado de Assis was included on American literary critic Harold Bloom's list of the greatest 100 geniuses of literature, alongside writers such as Dante, Shakespeare and Cervantes."

OP, only you can work toward success. This is written in every cheap self-help book, but for you it is not a meme, it is the truth. If you do not want to work harder, I suggest that you just kill yourself. An exit bag strategy would be apt. People with your sort of personality do no good for themselves or others. I honestly wish it was legal to put you into a manual labor camp so that you would no longer pollute our boards with your hopeless fantasies of being one of the "literary people", which are obviously fueled by a lack of life experience and an idealized self-image, but you would probably still pity yourself there. Greatness is something that we make, not something we are born into. If you cannot accept this then at least cut off your fingers so I don't have to read your pitiful words again.

What is the point of a thread such as this? To provoke expressions of compassion for your stupidity and laziness? This is not a hugbox, to employ a buzzword. Intelligence is fostered through effort. My old fitness instructor put it well: remove yourself or improve yourself.

Sage.

>>7023290
What a lame post. You type like a twelve-year-old Tolkien.

>>7023392
And you type like a burnout. Typical fat American, lugging your beanbag existence everywhere you go, weighing down humanity. I guarantee if we got on the mat you would be calling for mother in under a minute. Get back to your "community college" homework and let the adults continue their discussion in peace.

>>7023586
Nice projection kiddo

>>7023605
>nice projection

A glorified "no u". Typical untermensch response.