/lit/ - Literature

>yfw art doesn't get better than this

Real genius, tbh.

>>6941855
You're a persistent little fucker aren't you

>>6941861
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I really really really like colour

>>6941879
Abstract art is rarely good. Kandinsky is good, I confess. Rothko, Pollock etc. are all shit.

Willinck or bust

Bellini or bust

>>6941950
Who this

>>6941956
Ivan Shishkin

>>6941950
Fakery.

Yuan or bust

>>6941965
?

Agesander, Athenodoros and Polydorus or bust

someone posted this in the art general yesterday. i like it.

Xi or bust

>>6941995

>>6941879
Isn't this the picture detailing average house floor sizes per country?

Paula Rego

>>6941855
>but it's all fakery edition
welcome to art

It's all ironic.

>>6942042
Nem é.

>>6942011
No you nufty

>>6942054
"Art"

>>6942054
Are you sure?

Getting back to some proper art, Titian's Martyrdom of St. Lawrence, one of the best vertical compositions I'm aware of.

>>6942127
He knew how to go down on a painting

>>6942082
Kek

like writing, do you need to know a ton of history of art, the different rules, genres and so forth of art before making it?

>>6942187
Painting is another language. You might be able to generalise some of the rules from art in general, but you still have to learn a whole new set of vocabulary

1/2 This isn't a magnificent piece by any means, but the provincial manner of the scene alongside the sheer interest that it gives you towards Shakespeare is perfect.

Look at Shakespeare not give a shit about Hamnet. That's why he didn't write anything about his death in the plays.

Who /abstract/ here? Plebs need not respond

>>6941885
Pollock get so much hate, but I think I would like to see some of his paintings in person.

>>6942226

2/2

If anyone here hasn't been to the National Gallery in London, I highly recommend it. Paintings like this and some original Van Gough's can be seen there.

>>6942231
Beautiful.

post something that isn't seen hundreds of time on "great art" and doesn't make you question the pretentiousness of people. But this thread doesn't seem to suffer from that too much so far

I will make some additions of course

Y'all need Turner

Russian Realism is god-tier

>>6942275
True dat

>>6942277
to further prove my point

>>6942281
The inspiration:

>>6942275
I just found out about his Russian counterpart today

>>6942295
>with pic

>>6942297
>Entartete Kunst
Get out

>>6942308

>>6941855

>>6942308
funny cos surrealism was considered german by the french

>>6941994
omg

I just adore Corot for his smoky foliages
>>6942275
the colors he uses to picture the sunlight remind me of vomit for some reason
I dislike this painting for the use of too radiant and incompatible hues
also this combination of piranha flock devouring the leg and the romanticism-like sun looks ghastly and just outright awkward
I am rather prejudiced of British art in general, but John Waterhouse is good though

People who don't like abstract art:

Can you give me a critique of the concept that doesn't revolve around personal standards of taste or arbitrary standards in the effort required to produce art?

>>6942366
>art
>doesn't revolve around personal standards of taste
pick one

>>6942366
>people who don't "like"
>people who use personal or arbitrary standards of taste to determine preference
>Hey people who use personal or arbitrary standards of taste to determine preference, can you give me a critique of the concept that doesn't revolve around personal standards of taste or arbitrary standards?
>

post something new, shitlords.

>>6942364
This one is really bad

>>6942372
So John Green is more artistically relevant than say, Joyce?

If art does revolve around personal taste than he is clearly the superior author because he is better liked.
>>6942379
Precisely, I'm asking for a CRITIQUE not a statement of preference.

>>6942252
>mm yeah she got the tiddy

>>6942389
Then why would you start out asking for an honest, unbiased critique (if you assume that definition inherent in the word) from people who you believe are biased?

If personal preference and taste don't matter, THEN WHY.

It boils down to >>6942372

Even "unbiased" critique can't help but be read (though not necessarily written) as value-laden in some ways.

>>6942389
I don't like most of the abstract art because it relates with too little, it doesn't look spontaneously pleasant to my eye and, what is worse, continues to make a bad impression when I get to know about the piece. Sometimes I dislike it because it;s too simple.

>>6942389
artistic relevance is subjective
if a certain piece of art enjoys a reputation of a masterpiece - it's due to the people who deem it as a masterpiece

>>6942410
since when the simplicity has become a bad thing?

>>6942422
When it doesn't entertain my thought

>>6942411
>that rare pepe in the background

>>6942054
I went to the local art museum with the lads just the other day, and it had several exhibits dedicated to artists who made shit like this. I mean, some of it was pretty aesthetic but most wasnt better than a COD gun skin. I was surprised by how common this is.

>>6942434
Modern art is that garbage. You won't find any worthwhile contemporary art in art museums.

>>6942437
Art stopped in the 1940s

>>6942445
I don't know if it was 40s, but art is definitely at a low-point currently, a slump. There's still artists who follow the traditional values and skills required to make good art, but these aren't the people having their work portrayed in "art" galleries and museums.

>>6942423
maybe it's them thoughts of yours which are too crude and superficial for abstract art?
2deep4u?
tell us, what are you looking for as you behold a piece? what do you value the most in a painting?

Art is representation. No one would argue that. The prominent idea embedded in "representation" leads us to qualify art as a representation of what material is readily apparent for representation, that is, sensory information - which, leads us to rely on what things look like. Hence why we can make heads or tales of the largest part of all art in human history.

Abstract art is, obviously, a representation of the abstract, a mapping of the ideal, immaterial, of thought and experiment. Abstract art creates for us a representation of the process entailed in our making heads or tails.

That (description) is as far as I can go to give a you a "critique" (which probably relies more on judgment than you're willing to accept)

>>6942422
>>6942423
This. There is a fine line between free-play-of-imagination (as defined by Lessing) and boring. The argument that "simplicity should be revered" is just not an argument. It's equivalent to saying a single sentence is on par with a novel. It's just not. I almost feel as if modern/abstract art is one great joke to get rich plebs to drop money on three squares to show they have good taste that's with the times. I mean really look at:
>>6942231
Compared to
>>6941944

It isn't even close. One is a work of art, one is an elementary exercise in color/shapes. Guess which is which

>>6942453
Your post reminded me of a quiz/test in an article where you had to pick whether a picture was a work of "art" made by an "artist" or a drawing made by a child. Needless to say the only way to know which was art and which wasn't was whether you had the picture before.

>>6942453
> It's equivalent to saying a single sentence is on par with a novel
I agree with your overall sway, but I would challenge that a single poem, what the length of a few stanzas could just as easily amount to War and Peace, can par with an entire novel.

Most (quack) modern artists might say the same to defend their simplicity struggling for depth, but I think there are "simple" paintings cable of evoking complexity, or at least something higher than what they immediately show.

I have a feeling there needs be a few more than two colors in order to do that, though.

>>6942448
We need a new movement. Something like Neo-Neo-Classicism.

>>6942453
the picture in >>6942231 is obviously a fake, don't fall for it
>It's equivalent to saying a single sentence is on par with a novel.
The sole sentence "A screaming comes across the sky." (no memes pls) is better than all John Green's works taken alltogether. Learn the quality over quantity.

>>6942467
A Renaissance on the scale of the Italian one.
Maybe the coming 20s will be reminiscent of the 1920s; a Roaring Twenties 2.0.

>>6942467
lol

>>6942479
>>6942467
you turds can lead the charge

>>6942362
love Degas so much

>>6942486
How about you go piss in a bucket, throw it on a canvas, and go sell it for a thousand bucks to some retarded rich couple?

>>6942479
We,/lit/, shall be the initiators!

>>6942537
Behold! NEO-NEO-CLASSICISM

>>6942539
you forgot the title
>tfw no marble gf

>>6942537
eh
sorry, too vaporwavey

what's the point of just posting an image without any comment, at least making a frivolous assertion of its "beauty" or a passing mention of the painter's technique? what a disguting circlejerk of dilettantes.

>>6942565
What you're suggesting sounds much more like a circlejerk to me. I neither need nor want a frivolous comment to go along with any of the art in this thread.

I just come here to discover.

>>6942573
sounds like you're a pleb

>>6942608
You're right. From now on everyone needs to drop a line of self-indulgent purple prose with their 600x400 jpegs. How could I enjoy art otherwise?

>>6941950
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>>6942275
das it mane

>>6942619
it's fine if you want to be an anti-intellectual retard. /lit/ is full of those superficial plebs. you'll fit right in m8

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>>6942634
please do not post any more retarded wasteful comments in this thread

>>6942329
>surrealism
>not Belgian

>>6942487
I hesitated to post more because I thought that /lit/ wouldn't like him
But yeah he is an incredible artist for sure

>>6942645
this is a worthless off topic thread so my criticisms are the only thing that it has going for it tbh

>>6942634
Yeah I'm sure you have plenty of intellectual insights to tell us about art.

Where can I find your blog?

>>6942667
>*fart noises*
okay friend

>>6941879
>IT'S ALL JUST SPACIAL ILLUSION HAHA I'M SUCH A GENIUS THIS IS SERIOUS ART

>>6942674
why are you desperately trying to be retarded? if you want to show off your taste in art, why don't you start a tumblr blog? that's the level of discourse you're interested in. just reblog those kewl paintings and get those likes! maybe put a "omg I just love degas" comment.

>>6942710
Go ahead then. Share your intellectual comments about the art in this thread.

bunch of realist/classicist plebs itt

>>6941855
nah

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>>6942770
holy fuck the time between posts on lit is insane

Req expressionism

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>>6942741
>implying realism isn't the true test of an artist

>>6942782
fun thing about Van Gogh (and a lot of post-impr.) is how you can look so closely at the brushstrokes, I've been trying my best to emulate this (and a Matisse one) in pastel

>>6942789
It had its place but we're done with it now. If you can't reconcile your love of painting with the new forms of art, find a new hobby tbh

current realism is twee, nostalgic wank

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>>6942802
He said "test"
It's not about creating only realist paintings, just being able to do so

>>6942817
being able to facsimile reality makes you a skilled tradesman, not necessarily an artist

>>6942832
>being able to facsimile reality makes you a skilled tradesman, not necessarily an artist
That's exactly what I said

>>6942832
>>6942856
you said it's a test of an artist. I'm sure some great artists are awful at realism (though a lot of the abstract expressionists and such were still classically trained)

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>>6942872
>I'm sure some great artists are awful at realism
I doubt it, a master should be able to paint academically

>(though a lot of the abstract expressionists and such were still classically trained)
Because it's the best possible train

>>6942892
by Gerhard Richter

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>>6941855
Can you point me to something that will help me understand why Bouguereau is "fake"? I know very little about technique, and I guess there's something shallow about his art, but I am pretty sure I could literally have sex with his paintings.

>>6942908
>>6942893
do you think it's possible for a person to be unfamiliar with the history of music and totallly incompetent w/r/t classical composition, yet still a great musician?

>>6941950
Shishkin is based of the based

Soothing

>>6942922
This

>>6942463

I think you are correct, but the problem is that we no longer have the means by which to make that judgement.

This is the most destructive effect of conceptual art and postmodernist theory of art, a breakdown of standards or, in better words, of a 'normative' system of art to which some artists choose to adhere and other to break away from. This used to exist up until the time when impressionism really took off (i'm talking about the Paris Salon vs the Impressionist salon).

The problem today isn't that there isn't any 'good art', it's just that it's virtually impossible to reach some kind of consensus about it, so there's no line between minimalist (good) art and simplistic (bad) art

>>6942920
That's part of why he would be considered fake. His paintings are sentimental and don't reflect real emotions, trite/twee like Kincaid

Ashbery wrote a poem in response to this painting: http://www.poemhunter.com/poem/self-portrait-in-a-convex-mirror/

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>>6942950
didn't realise the one I posted was so small, here's a much better copy - https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/4c/Vincent_van_Gogh_-_Self-Portrait_-_Google_Art_Project_(454045).jpg

too big to post here

>>6942943
Much obliged, anon.

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>>6942966
such a fun painting to daydream about

oh shit illustrations what

>>6942981
>>6942886
Picasso's response to the original by Velasquez

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>>6942922

Not him but I think that depends on how you look at it. In a utilitarian sense it doesn't matter in the current art environment, as there's no difference between an artist who knows about it and one who doesn't as long as the concept behind the piece of 'art' is intriguing enough to art critics. This has been happening since the 60s as language seeped into art more than before.

If you're talking about how things 'should' be, then yes non-classical art should build upon a traditional base and artists shouldn't skip steps as they do.

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>>6943009

I don't particularly like Tintoretto, but some of his compositions are visionary

>>6943019

Composition with figures in a burning forest by Miro.
I just think it's hilarious.

I love these colours

>>6943058
hilariously bad

>>6943247
Didn't realize I didn't have the full painting on my iPhone

Love this one

>>6943265
>this one's good
>this one's bad
>this one's bad
>I don't like this one
>this one's good tho

Do you even realize what you are looking at?

One of my favorites.

Who America here?

>>6942358
>gala
is this by salvador dali

>tfw no gala in your life

>>6943384
Rockwell always seemed too sensible of an artist.

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>>6943403
Trash

>>6942187
like writing, you don't /need/ to. There's always outsider art.

>>6941994
Finally, time I see some Brueguel appreciation!
There's something uniquely beautiful about 16th century Flemish art.

>>6943414
poser

>>6941885
Rothko is god

His art must be seen in person

>>6941950
That'd terrible. Far too geometrically blatant and thematically meaningless.

So what exactly is fakery?

I hope that within my lifetime we can leave the conceptual art behind and repopularize technical ability as the defining trait of good art (regardless of genre/medium/etc).

>>6944778
;^) cool meme

http://incorruptableleaf.tumblr.com/

Do you have art hanging on your wall?

>>6946067

I do actually, i bought it in nashville, its dope as hell, only set me back $150.

>>6946067
No. That's corny, no matter what

http://40.media.tumblr.com/305bdb6e74402e3da9c5292eb356bd50/tumblr_nnsdhg9xcM1r20af2o1_250.jpg


:)

>>6943317
poor wojak :(

>>6941855
nah

>>6943079
What is the name of that painting?

>>6944631
rothko a shit

>>6942059
It is art, but something being art isn't inherently of value. Calling The Birth of Venus art is a statement, not a compliment.

>>6944631
dumb dumbposter

>>6942231
was this made on microsoft art?