/lit/ - Literature

>>6920091
>memoir
>176 pages
>better than anything actually worthwhile
Yeah, ok.

>>6920091
Because there are millions of free blogs on the Internet and I cannot even be fucking bothered to read them.

>age 39

>>6920091
nah

>atheist and feminist

Read a few articles online already, I get the gist, not that interested, I'm not black, I've got other books to read

>>6920247
Even as a black the book doesn't really appeal to me. It's a great example of the intellectual dishonesty the black community (or those representing it in academia) at large suffers. They tend to blame black crime, poverty, and failure on whites rather than themselves. While this is certainly true in some cases, it's bullshit to blame it all on white supremacy. In addition, Coates has a poor understanding and perspective of world history outside of his own. This amazon review sums it up:

"The thesis of this book is perhaps the most troubling part but is certainly the most hyperbolic: "Here is what I would like for you to know: In America, it is traditional to destroy the black body—it is heritage.” Here is where the circular logic comes into play. When it is pointed out that the vast, vast, vast majority of black people who are murdered are murdered at the hands of other black people, Mr. Coates conveniently blames even this on White Supremacy. It is as simple as this: there is literally not a single thing a black person can do wrong that is their fault in a cosmic sense.

Every single moral, ethical or legal crime is carried out as a result of the effects of White Supremacy. Some people, including myself, characterize this as true racism. Denying that black people are capable of being agents or partners in their own life or destiny is the ultimate kind of racism and bigotry. Mr. Coates seems to regard his people as a kind of advanced animal, wholly subject to forces which either reinforce or prohibit certain types of being. He regards black people's self-actualization the way an animal trainer would describe the affects of the training process on an animal.

He has repeatedly admonished both Bill Cosby and Barack Obama for lecturing blacks about personal responsibility, so at least he is consistent on this matter. Black people have no responsibility for anything in Mr. Coates' world. They are something between automatons and animals. I call this racism and this offends me on behalf of black people, who I happen to regard as fully-actualized people and human beings."

>>6920285
holy shit rek't
/thread

pls go Ta-Nehisi Coates

>>6920091
>neoliberal Uncle Tom beret-wearing bespectacled bitchmade nigga.

I don't think so. Pic related, "The Invisible Man" "Native Son" and "Flight to Canada" are all you need when it comes to African-American lit.

>>6920285
yet another example of the way the white establishment has internalized racism in the vulnerable underclass through systems & capitalisms

>>6920355

no Manchild in the Promised Land?

>>6920285
I think more people and especially intelligent people of color are starting to realize this but the majority are still ignorant of the facts. Black men today have so much power to help themselves and get ahead in the world. If they stopped doing stupid nigga shit and actually look around they have it really good. (in comparison to other times in history) There are still problems with our politics and big business but really it's not all them. The Boondocks (animated series about black culture) shows this point very clearly in some of the episodes. They even blamed BET for promoting stupid ignorant shit (while BET was airing their show) too. There is a lot of blame on white people, but what are white people suppose to do about it anyway?!

>>6920177
What kind of shitty memoir has only 176 pages? Did he literally not do anything in his life? I haven't done jack shit and I could write at least 500 pages. At least.

>>6920285

Uncle Tom

>>6920386
thanks proust

>>6920285
This ends all discussion. Now if you could only get this through the skulls of certain liberals that'd be great.

>>6920091
Jared Taylor doesn't seem to have liked it, kek.

>>6920285
I'm a dirty communist and I think you're correct

>>6920395
I'll take that as a compliment. Proust was a great writer.

>>6920405
Forgot link : http://www.amren.com/features/2015/07/ta-nehesi-coates-the-new-messiah/

>>6920398
This kind of reply is totally invisible to people who have adopted the leftist mindset.

They'll read it and summarily ignore it and feel no compulsion to refute or deal with it.

>>6920285
I love you.

>>6920285
i saw de black man.

>>6920424
I'm a progressive leftist who believes in the welfare state and that guy is right

>>6920424
What the hell am I supposed to say to it? I haven't read the book. I can't say whether or not his assessment of Coates' writing is correct, because I haven't read it to judge. And most of the post is specifically talking about Coates' positions.

>>6920285
>a nigger makes a decent comment
>everyone fawns over him

I've noticed this happens also in real life. When a semi-decent nigger comes along he's treated like he's some sort of genius. Is this because we have very low expectations for niggers?

Bah I am too busy reading What is to be Done once again for the third time.

I think it is a tragedy that each woman proletarian or bourgeoise does not have her own personal buck to assail her innards with his nubian spear.

This is why we will slather your lilly white shores with hoards of immigrants. So begins the final battle in the sheets and in the fields. The internationale will make your girl fuck spades.

>>6920447
Nailed it. Its annoying as fuck

>mfw "oh you speak so well"

>>6920285

You have a good argument, but no offense, I wouldn't put it past a /pol/lack to write this up and post it under a guise.

>>6920285
You are a cool guy, anon.

>>6920460
>No thanks, it just don't feel right cause you walk black and act white

>>6920379
>implying it's gotten better
Have you been watching the news lately? The median income of blacks, although it's increased since the 1960s, has remained the lowest of any ethnic group in America. Unemployment is still highest among blacks, and police brutality/the prison-industrial system is still a major issue. I don't think Aaron McGruber would appreciate his TV show being co-opted by white liberals in order to divert responsibility away from themselves.
>just, like, stop being poor and having crime problems, you guys! is it really that hard?

>>6920414
pretty much nailed it
i am so indescribably sick of modern black whining and its detachment from reality

>>6920578
Let's take your post and go back in time exactly 200 years, scratch that, how about 75 years?

Wait no, how about just 25, that's a neat number. reminds me of 25 to life.

No,no, we can do even better, how about just one year ago when militarized police descended upon the mostly black population of that one bad part of Missouri?

Nope, nevermind. Blacks can only whine about those far off bad terrible wrong things that happened in history, we're modern now.

>>6920357
Ha okay

>>6920285
>Blacks are responsible for everything
>No, white people are!

Everyone wants a version of history where their group remains free of blame. Maybe, just maybe, both whites AND blacks are responsible for how things have turned out today. Niggers being irresponsible doesn't make it okay for crackers to be bigots and crackers being bigots doesn't make it okay for niggers to be irresponsible. EVERYBODY needs to take personal responsibility, not just some people.

>>6921047
It's clearly the Juden's fault.

>>6921047
i agree man. I mean seriously for if two sides were to want avoid conflict trouble or stagnation, both sides have a responsibility towards the blame.

>>6920389
Racist.

>>6920424
>>6920398
>boohoo libtards dont believe muh story.
Now i wouldn't say there aren't hard headed leftist in which i both admit exist and absolute hate, Conservatives are just as much as guilty of not willing to even consider the beliefs or principles based on liberal ideas as well.
hell the whole

"This kind of reply is totally invisible to people who have adopted the leftist mindset." Generalises the entire liberal movement are extremist hard headed fucks which isnt.

Fucking nigger

>>6920285
In a way it's a logical reaction to history. Do remember that it was literally science that blacks were lesser people, deserving of subjugation based on their physical appearance, and that the older people still have hangings and institutionalized racism in their living memory. Right now it's been settled a bit, but racism is still there. It will take a wave of extremism before an opposition can arise and nuance the whole ordeal.

It's also a thing that poor white/latin/asian people are just as subjugated to the environment and ''rich white men'' as black people are.

Let's just hope that the reaction to this way of thinking arises quickly.

>>6920285
So it's #Blacklivesmatter: The Book? No wonder people are sucking its dick. It could be the most awful shit ever written but as long as it panders to that meme people will praise it.

>>6920285
This is kinda how I feel about my fellow women as well.

>>6920447
Pretty much, you don't expect common sense from a nigger. I'm not even fully convinced the guy who wrote that comment is black.

Wait, this shit has better rating than War and Peace? Top kek, why are people so eager to suck the BBC?

>>6920285

'the vast, vast, vast majority of black people who are murdered are murdered at the hands of other black people, Mr. Coates conveniently blames even this on White Supremacy'

Do you have any understanding of how colonialism works? I don't know what a good comparison in terms of black people is because I think every black country was colonised by white folk, but if we look at Asia for example one of the most stable and least violent countries is Bhutan, basically the only place in Asia without a history of colonisation by white folk. Now, you can call me retarded if you like, but I'm pretty sure being made a slave and taken to the other side of the world and oppressed for generations literally, and then being discriminated against economically and socially even ~200 years later is going to make you more predisposed to violent crimes. Americans still hold preconceptions about 9/11, which had almost no impact on most Americans, and happened 14 years ago, so considering Jim Crow laws existed only one generation ago, and directly fucked over every single black person in the entire country, why the fuck do you expect black people to be fully adjusted to society?

I'm not even supporting Ta-neshie coaties or whatever the fuck his name is, his book looks retarded, but by jove you've got some ridiculous arguments there buddy.

>>6920285
>As a black man,
Sure you are, /pol/, sure you are.

>>6921393
>Americans still hold preconceptions about 9/11, which had almost no impact on most Americans

This man is clearly brilliant.

>>6921393
How much does white America have to whip themselves before blacks can stop killing eachother at amazing rates and start culturally valuing things like education and hard work?

>>6921413
what impact did 911 have on you personally bud

>>6920091
because it's praised entirely because of its political motivations (namely, blaming everything on white supremacy and white people) and not its aesthetics or actual execution

is that all art is now? propaganda that's praised because of how much it panders to your political biases? because fuck that noise, anyone who praises this as some artistic achievement is a fraud

>>6921458
uve clearly never read the book

>>6921393
There's something obviously wrong with negroes on some deeper level considering their abject failure to recover from colonialism.

China in the last century was wracked by civil war, occupation, revolution and genocide and the last fucking colony didn't end until the 90s. They're the second most powerful nation on Earth today, perhaps soon to be number one.

Why are Chinese people inherently better than black people?

>>6921487
>genocide

confirmed for knowing nothing about 20th cent chinese history and/or not knowing the definition of genocide

>>6921490
A: what would you call the hundred million dead in the Great Leap Forward
B: way to try to derail the subject over nitpicking. Black people are fucking awful and I've never heard any argument from anyone but the most deluded that they aren't, for some reason the thought exercise is always "Yeah black people are awful but it's white people's fault"

What is the social/economic function of blacks today?

Coates blows off that peaceful white suburbs CANNOT exist without oppressing and exploiting black communities in cities but I don't understand how exactly the suburbs profit by these oppressions.

Are there massive factories where black laborers thanklessly produce goods for white consumers?

>>6921393
>muh slavery is responsible for black people's aggressiveness!

Vast majority of current Europeans are descendants of serfs. In case you didn't know, word "serf" literally derives from Latin "servus" which means, you guessed it, "slave". Their status was a little different from African American slaves, but that doesn't necessarily mean it was better in all aspects. They had to work for their master, they had to work on their own fields in order to survive, they were also required to pay taxes (both to their lord and the Church). When there was war, they were expected to go fight for their lord. They were often treated way rougher than Africans because African slaves were quite expensive and masters generally didn't want to "break" them. It wasn't in their best interest. Serfs didn't cost their masters anything and they were plentiful, so they didn't have the same privilege.

Some serfs couldn't even own land, meaning they lived entirely off scraps of their master's plate, and nobody could move without their lord's consent. They had to obtain their lord's consent for marriage in some cases. They were uneducated (obviously) and they were discriminated at in their own countries. It didn't matter their skin color was the same, everyone considered them to be dirt and treated them like dirt.

Length of serfdom varied in country by country, but on average, it lasted about 200 - 300 years. It was also abolished relatively late in history. Austrian-Hungarian empire, for example, got rid of it in 1848. Russia got rid of it in 1861. Bosnia and Herzegovina in 1918. Of course, just like with African slavery, discrimination against them persisted until much later.

Slavery of Africans was practised from 1776 and it was abolished in 1865. Not even 100 years.

Now look at today's Europeans and African Americans.

Yeah, I'm sorry, but African American screwed up culture is largely their own fault. Not entirely, of course, but they're responsible for a big part of it.

>>6920285

>>6921505
Genocide does not mean "killing a lot of people". Genocide is when you're trying to exterminate specific ethnic/cultural/religious/national groups for whatever reason, be it ideological (e.g. Hitler wanting to kill Jews) or pragmatic (e.g. Stalin killing a bunch of non-Russians minorities and moving them around Soviet Union).

Han Chinese causing the deaths of millions of other Han Chinese is not genocide.
Unless you meant the Rape of Nanking and similar shenanigans the Japanese pulled, that was genocide, yeah.

>>6920285
Actually being black, on the one hand yes a real problem has been described here but at the same time this doesn't directly invalidate what's said in the book and all the people lauding this post with approval are obviously interested in rebuffing it without a sense for the difficulty and ambiguity of the situation.

Whether it was intentional or not this post functions as concern trolling.

ITT: A bunch of white dudes raised on 4chan who haven't taken the afternoon it takes to read the damn book telling us all how it REALLY is for the black community.

Y'know. Why is it that this forum goes on and on and on about Joyce, and Wallace, and Greek philosophy, and whatever other dead white guys but I have NEVER seen a thread discussing James Baldwin. I almost never see Toni Morrison, or Alex Haley, or Ralph Ellison mentioned.

And yet, all y'all motherfuckers act like a memoir you haven't even read, about a man speaking from his own lived experience, is invalid because of an Amazon review.

>>6921591
Maybe because those dead white guys wrote about something way more interesting than muh oppression and "everything is whitey's fault." It gets boring, you know. Also, Toni Morrison isn't that good.

>>6921607

James Baldwin is GOAT. I read him before I even knew he was black and I choked up reading an exceept of Sonny's Blues.

>>6920091

If people on this thread are actually looking for thoughts about this book:

I got it the day it came out, and finished reading it the next day. Coates is a great writer. However, if you've read his blog at the Atlantic, none of his political criticisms will be anything new to you. Still, it was nice reading about Coates since he didn't blog that much about himself , and his writing is always a joy to read.

If you haven't read his blog, I would recommend it.

>>6921619
wait, he writes for the atlantic? thanks, i'll avoid this one

>>6921591
>Y'know
>y'all
>and whatever other dead white guys
Easy bait

>>6920285

Coates never says that people shouldn't take personal responsibility, and if you've ever watched an interview with him or read a blog post by him about the whole "responsibly", you'd know that.

Coates thesis is that black America who play by the rules, who have been "twice as good" in his words, still don't make it as for as they are told they would, and his explanation for that is institutional racism.

Example

A nonprofit group did study that found that "A black man with an associates degree has the same chances -- about 88 percent-- of finding a job as a white high school graduate": https://d3n8a8pro7vhmx.cloudfront.net/yicare/pages/141/attachments/original/1403804069/Closing_the_Race_Gap_Ntnl_6.25.14.pdf?1403804069

Also I don't know that many black people that refer to themselves as "a black".

>>6920285
You're not black lmao fuck outta here I can smell your /pol/ leanings from a mile away

>>6921616
>look him up
>it's muh oppression all over again
No, thanks.

>>6921649

[Coates on "Personal Responsibility" in an interview with Charlie Rose] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4y6cxBy9bxg

>>6921686

Finally, here is a Coates in longer detail on "Obama-era progressives" and their call for personal responsibility.

>Obama-era progressives view white supremacy as something awful that happened in the past. I view it as one of the central organizing forces in American life.

http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2014/03/black-pathology-and-the-closing-of-the-progressive-mind/284523/

>>6921663
>passing judgement on an acclaimed artist by a wikipedia description

only on lit.

>>6921686
He's right and work on your reading comprehension.
>>6920285
You're not even arguing against him.

>"The thesis of this book is perhaps the most troubling part but is certainly the most hyperbolic: "Here is what I would like for you to know: In America, it is traditional to destroy the black body—it is heritage.” Here is where the circular logic comes into play. When it is pointed out that the vast, vast, vast majority of black people who are murdered are murdered at the hands of other black people, Mr. Coates conveniently blames even this on White Supremacy. It is as simple as this: there is literally not a single thing a black person can do wrong that is their fault in a cosmic sense.

Strawmen and non sequiturs abound, but of course you wouldn't ever care to give this the thought it deserves because anything even slightly similar to sjw rhetoric is triggering for you.

>>6920285
can you post some quotes to back that up? it sounds incredible that someone can be that one sided and get published and lauded.

>>6920091
Is it about black shit? Cause I'm black and I don't have time to read more woe is me crap

reminder that slavery was the best thing that ever happened to the blacks

>>6921806
So I googled it and it sounds really good, although I'm not in the mood to be educated on something I have to live with. Nonblacks enjoy this shit cause they don't understand our struggle they find this nonsense entertaining.

>>6921686
How can he argue that while sitting on Charlie Rose, ensconced in his own middle-class privilege?

>>6921826
There is no black struggle in 2015. There are plenty of pseudo struggles for those who want to be a part of a movement late in the game, but that's about it. Blacks who think they are still oppressed are as bad as third-wave feminists.

>>6921686
This is why people find him fraudulent.

He himself—his blog on the Atlantic, his meetings with Obama, him being on PBS, him being a lauded writer—is living proof that American immigration works as it always has. His parents, no doubt low-income, struggled to send him college, give him advantages and make his life better than theirs—and they succeeded.

For him to go on TV and ignore what his own existence indicates is ridiculous. Even more ridiculous is for him to write his book as a letter to his son, as if his son hasn't been given all the privileges inherent in being the son of a successful, even famous, public intellectual.

I love James Baldwin—this guy is a pale imitation, and his pessimism is at odds with the reality of improving race relations/the ascendancy of successful, middle class blacks. Baldwin's atheism/pessimism was actually radical at the time; Coates regurgitating these same ideas and thinking them fresh/relevant is just intellectually dishonest.

>>6921868
Mentally there is

>>6921919
>it was real in their minds

>>6921909
okay but do you watch at the news at all police are murdering blacks at astonishing rates and the kkk is burning down their churches i don't know how you can expect them to be excited about their rising economic fortunes, especially when i think you're full of shit and want to see a source on the ascendancy of the black middle class

on the precarity of the black middle class
http://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2015/01/how-black-middle-class-kids-become-black-lower-class-adults/384613/

black unemployment
http://www.ibtimes.com/black-unemployment-rate-2015-better-economy-african-americans-see-minimal-gains-1837870

of course to dispute the existence of continued racism is to dispute basic empirical fact

>>6921909
You think a single mother working two jobs has time to write a book? Or that someone whose education left them barely literarate will?

There is nothing wrong with someone more privileged writing a book about less fortunate people. You could even argue they have a moral duty to do so. And just because some black people made it, doesn't mean that social mobility in the U.S. is great or that institutional racism doesn't exist or whatever.

>>6920285
breaking news at 11: things can have multiple causes

While I'm no great fan of TNC, black-on-black crime can be explained by the conditions in which black people live, the poverty of black neighborhoods and the lack of opportunity. If you can't get a fucking job, you're more likely to become a drug dealer, especially when you've internalized shame regarding your economic situation and drug dealing represents the only escape. (Hence the rise of gangsta rap.)

To acknowledge these conditions is not deny black people any more agency than is ascribed to anyone else, though it does deny to them a sort of superhuman agency we expect of all poor. Empirical works and all of history have born out that material conditions shape us to an immense degree, and that agency is always fraught. We do reject then, that the black person has the ability to transcend their circumstances in all cases, just as we deny that possibility for anyone. We do not deny humanity to black person alone then, but deny that very model of humanity, as the free willing subject with possibility before them.

Black people must be in charge of their own destiny ultimately. To know white supremacy is to know this most fully; whites will not save the black race, it is only blacks who can save themselves. Acknowledging white supremacy is just making what should be a trivial connection between the histories of chattel slavery, redlining, sharecropping, racist policing and broken communities.

>>6921982
Coates frames his own life as emblematic of the iniquities of systemic racism, I would say its an exception to, if not a counter-example.

>>6920091
i read it. it wasnt really a memoir. it was like an open letter to his son, trying to talk to him about all the black kids being shot by cops in the news recently. he talks about how he grew up in a different time and struggled with his own race identity issues, but he realizes that his son is growing up an even more privlaged, multicultural life than he did, and may not feel as strongly "black" with all the negative nd positive connotations that comes with in america. he goes on to tell him that this is all his advice for trying to survive as a black kid in america, even if its irrelevant to the current generation. he thinks that there is something permanent about the racism here, in the foundation of this country, and he advises his son to be aware of it, even if he doesn't feel it because he comes from a wealthy family, speaks french, travels the world, goes to a good school, stays away from drugs, trouble, etc. none of that matters if a cop shoots you because he is scared of your skin

>>6921949
Yes, but blacks are murdering each other at astonishing rates, as well as committing crime at astonishing rates

Obviously we're speaking generalities and this isn't occurring specifically because they are black, but the facts remain. Many black neighborhoods are poorer, but blacks also have resources at their disposal that many whites (save the wealthy) do not have, such as affirmative action and access to scholarships, and the notion of being impoverished is not exclusive to blacks.

The point is these are complicated, multi-faceted issues that cannot be blamed entirely on white supremacy, which is little more than a vague, nebulous threat with little evidence to support its existence. It is not much different than a feminist blaming everything on the patriarchy, or a fire and brimstone creationist blaming everything on Satan, or a conspiracy theorist blaming everything on the Illuminati. When the latter two are mentioned they are described as crazy, but when the former two are mentioned they are somehow intellectual and academic. It makes even less sense when you take into consideration that whites were instrumental in getting policies passed to end discrimination in employment and the separate but equal doctrine. .

>>6920205
That fucking DFW interview will never stop supplying reaction pics.

>>6920285
Be honest mang, you're white

i am not gay for it

So are there any great books by black authors that aren't built around the black identity.

>>6921523
Who pays for the suburbs

>>6922464
ok but the kkk literally turned out in south carolina, and was likely tied to many of the church burnings

like even if you want to pretend white supremacy isn't operative at the level coates claims, it's clearly operative

and i'm not going to root through the empirical work for you, but if you'd do a smidge of googling you'll find that "hey anti-black sentiment is still a pretty big deal"

america can't even really apologize for slavery

>>6922528
are there any great books by white authors that aren't build around the white identity

>>6922528
Omeros by Derek Walcott. It kinda revolves around black identity, but it's through a Caribbean lens and follows multiple stories unrelated to the usual 'muh slavery' 'muh oppression' stuff. It's loosely based on Homer's epics.

>>6922537
i haven't read coates and i'm not gonna defend his specific argument

but from fast food workers (in which black people are overrepresented) to prison labor (again, black overrepresentation) middle class society benefits from the exploitation of black labor

there's also probably more shit, but i'm tired

>>6922539
>are there any great books by white authors that aren't build around the white identity
Almost all of them. There is no such thing as the white identity.

>>6921524
>1776 to 1865

Kill yourself, you don't get to pick the year of constitution as the beginnings of Black Slavery in the new world to suit your narrative

>>6922551
yeah, putting references to classical hellenic culture every two sentences is a cultural universal :^)

>>6922558
i mean i agree w/ you that 1776 is a ridiculous date for the start of black slavery

also the constitution was not ratified in 1776 tho

>>6922563
yes, because moby dick isn't about whales, it's about white people :^)

>>6922563
That isn't white culture. That's Greek culture.

>writes an article entitled 'The Case for Reparations'
>does not bother to make a case for reparations

GG no re

>>6921524
Weak
So here
>on average, it lasted about 200 - 300 years
with endpoints in
>Austrian-Hungarian empire, for example, got rid of it in 1848. Russia got rid of it in 1861. Bosnia and Herzegovina in 1918
is going to come across as
>Serfdom began in 1500-1600
Which is obviously not the case. From Wikipedia
> The decline of serfdom in Western Europe has sometimes been attributed to the Black Death, which reached Europe in 1347
What you're looking for is the high to late middle ages, the five hundred years beginning around 1,000.

Other poster here >>6922558 is right on the money about
>Slavery of Africans was practised from 1776 and it was abolished in 1865. Not even 100 years.

Further, the comparison is obviously lacking in many regards. Maybe most obviously, serfs by definition were bound to their ancestral land while slaves were transplanted en masse. Imagine which suffered the more cultural disturbance.

>>6922558
You are missing his point. Although that certain point is wildly incorrect, I'd like to remind you that Latvians, the ethnic group that I hail from, were pretty much serfs and exploited class from the days crusaders came around to mid 19th century, de fact early 20th century. Somehow nobody blames, wether that be some other nation or peoples or us, those conditions for the current failures whatever they might be.

>>6921826
It may be the case that you're out of touch or apathetic toward the struggles of blacks that have been less fortunate than yourself. You don't owe anything to our race, but don't say that it's 'woe is me crap'

Source: imma black guy

>>6922590
Don't forget that the people that were to become serfs were mostly slaves before that.

>>6920439
Self-deprecating political uncle tom

>>6921011
>No,no, we can do even better, how about just one year ago when militarized police descended upon the mostly black population of that one bad part of Missouri?
Because they were rioting like chimps.

>>6921701
The topics have been rehashed a thousand times, just because this guy is more eloquent about it won't make me any more intrested.

>>6920414
>You stayed up till 11 p.m. that night, waiting for the announcement of an indictment, and when instead it was announced that there was none you said, “I’ve got to go,” and you went into your room, and I heard you crying. I came in five minutes after, and I didn’t hug you, and I didn’t comfort you, because I thought it would be wrong to comfort you. I did not tell you that it would be okay, because I have never believed it would be okay.

>this was the year you saw Eric Garner choked to death for selling cigarettes; because you know now that Renisha McBride was shot for seeking help, that John Crawford was shot down for browsing in a department store. And you have seen men in uniform drive by and murder Tamir Rice, a 12-year-old child whom they were oath-bound to protect.

Jesus, why do niggers still defend criminals such as Michael Brown? They're incapable of thinking rationally.

>>6922651
>Just call 'em niggers!

>>6922484
>Be honest mang, you're white
Ok mang, you got me. But again, those comments weren't mine, they came from this amazon review:

http://www.amazon.com/review/R5OEXOIK1EA66/ref=cm_cr_dp_cmt?ie=UTF8&ASIN=0812993543&channel=detail-glance&nodeID=283155&store=books#wasThisHelpful

If it helps your confirmation bias, the review was written by a white woman.

>>6921649
Yes, Blacks without higher level, or even those with a average level, education have a lower employment rate than whites, but this is a symptom of a layered and complex problem that Coates seems incapable of understanding.

Also your own proof contradicts Coates thesis, Blacks who are "twice as good" do make it as far they are told they would.
"While young African American unemployment is
higher than whites at every educational level,
the added value of each additional degree of
educational attainment, in terms of employment
opportunity as well as income, is much greater for young African Americans than young whites."

"The effect of a high school diploma on employment
probability for African American
men is 50 percent larger than the same
degree for a white male, but a professional
degree offers a black male a 146 percent
larger effect than the same degree for
a white male. Similar, though less pronounced
trends exist among women."

>>6922790
>implying that's a white thumb

Bad news for you anon.

>>6922790
You chinese or something? Don't look that white. Not that I really care, but why lie about your race twice?

>>6922810
>>6922821
I was being facetious, but I am mixed with a Native American and an African so it's pretty a light complexion.

>>6922790
Is that your thumb? You have weird fingers Anon

>>6922790
>Also your own proof contradicts Coates thesis
>young African American unemployment is
higher than whites at every educational level
Increased benefits per educational level don't mean a whole lot if the baseline was relatively worse in the first place

>>6921445

When my mom heard it on the news she dropped her cup of coffee and I had to clean it up. The worst part? My milk had gone warm by the time I was done. Truly a horrific day.

>>6922723
>Mike Brown
None of the people listed were thugs like Mike Brown.

>>6922858
I agree, but to say the baseline is worse off because of -only- institutional racism is completely false and dishonest. Aside, this wasn't the main point, which is that Blacks don't receive benefits from higher level education as they are "promised".

>>6922876
The first greentext was about Darren Wilson not getting indicted.

>>6920205
>black atheist feminist
now we know why it has such a high rating

>>6921413
3000 out of 300,000,000 million people died.
0.00001 percent. Not a terribly large impact.

>>6922926
That would be 0.001%, you stupid nigger.

>>6922874
>mfw the value of GBP almost tripled for the next week

>>6922573

But you have to view slavery within the context of a nation. You don't see anyone demanding reparations from the Turks for the Ottoman harems, or Ukraine for the Crimean Khanate, or Italy for the Romans, or Egypt from the Fatimids. That's because they're non-contiguous states and government systems, like Colonial America is from post-Constitutional America.

And besides, institutionalized racism has not proven to be an insurmountable barrier to success, even if it exists today(it doesn't). There was surely institutionalized racism against the Jews throughout the entirety of the middle ages (and it was real, you know, something penned into law and not a nebulous assumption), and they were still able to find a successful, functioning niche in society. As well as the dhimmi status Christians and Jews in Muslim societies, for that matter, which is actually preached as as example of tolerance in liberal institutions.

>>6922926
>The impact of an event is measured through deaths
kek, thank God the Federal Reserve doesn't think like this.

>>6922960
Discrimination against Jews throughout history took place almost non-stop. They were only valued as court functionaries or as easily pogrom-able peasants.

Your allegation that institutionalized racism doesn't exist has no basis in reality. Spoiler: Government isn't the only institution we're talking about.

As for slavery in the context of a nation, it obviously can't be equivocated to any treatment or desires in another cultural milieu. Impressive red herring, though. As for beginning in 1776, the practice of slavery, practiced exclusively by white men who were sold slaves by insert-African-tyrant-here, begins far earlier. The U.S. government wasn't responsible for slavery. White landowners were. The U.S. government did not hold slaves. White landowners did.

shhh, don't use the ecognomical words with the crypto-currentCgb(.)s ok?
>invest for the love of god now.

>>6922960
>it doesn't
The average person in America may not be racist, but blacks are still disadvantaged by policies created by racists and not changed because the bourgeoisie don't care about the proletariat, regardless of race. Schools are funded on a local level through property taxes, meaning poor areas with worthless property (ie. where blacks live) will have next to nothing in terms of funding. As a result, schools are ineffective and dropping out to get a job (or sell drugs, since jobs aren't the most available thing in the inner city) is frequent. Those who do stay don't have it much better, because most of them can't get into a good college with such a poor education.

Of course, the tax codes could be changed to have public schools be funded on a state or federal level, but most people don't want their money going to scary poor people instead of their darling children. Here's an actual quote from a teacher, of all people:
>Well, I just would rather have my tax dollars go to someone who I know will use it, instead of a kid who's going to drop out and sell drugs.
So, inner-city schools get fucked, and my white suburban high school got flat-screen televisions in every hallway.

>>6922702
but muh aesthetics

>>6921316
r u a grille? pls be

>>6923023
relevant to this post:

http://www.theatlantic.com/national/archive/2012/12/in-southern-towns-segregation-academies-are-still-going-strong/266207/

When segregation was lifted in the U.S., white southerners were like, "We can't have our kids mixing with the negro!" even though the government said they had to. So, they just formed private schools and left the blacks in public schools. To say that discrimination against blacks no longer exists is absurd.

>>6920424

>the leftist mindset

lmao. tell me, which is your favorite fringe blog?

>>6923036
Why can't blacks form private schools too?

Why are blacks incapable of taking care of themselves?

>>6923023

This guy gets it.

I swear, most people around here seem to get all their information from television news and 4chan.

>>6922892
I'd still argue that bettering yourself and then still almost inevitably playing second fiddle to a guy with your same qualifications really doesn't live up to the promise that Colleges perpetuate.
Also I think it's disingenuous to put quotes on promised, assuming you're american you should recognize that the idea of doing well in school and higher education as being the determining factor in you life success is drilled into children from a pretty early age.
Regardless of how untrue that may be, a business has to make money, and they've done so pretty well by marketing that Idea to a point that it's become monolithic

>>6922723
>criminals such as Michael Brown

>>6922702

>won't read something because the ideas are "rehashed"
>probably lauds dozens of books about the existential despair and ennui of rich people

>>6922993

'White landowners' is even worse of an argument, demographically they have very little in common with the average citizen today despite their skin color.

>>6923079
How was michael brown not a criminal?

>>6923054
They did. The thing is, when you don't have money, it's not so easy. It's also quite against the spirit of public education, but you probably wouldn't understand that.

>>6923099
>The thing is, when you don't have money, it's not so easy
Why don't they have money?

>It's also quite against the spirit of public education, but you probably wouldn't understand that.
I'd say that forced integration is against the spirit of freedom, but you probably wouldn't understand that.

>>6922941
sorry about that one
>>6922971
'impact' is a kinda ambiguous term -- the post up there that originally used it made it seem like 'emotional impact,' etc, etc
if one takes the wars in the middle east as being part of the impact of 9/11, the cost of it is beyond 5 trillion, but that seems at least slightly specious. it cost ~40 billion in insurance losses.
hard to know how this manifests in the average american.

>>6923104
Libertarian detected, opinion discarded.

>>6923092
White landowners perpetuated the system. Poor, uneducated whites were complicit in that system and benefited from that system. True, the average citizen today is far removed from slavery, but things like red-lining and ghettoization are demonstrable effects of slavery that took place well into the latter half of the 20th century.

>>6923112
Too bad, you might have learned a thing or two, nigger.

>>6923094
stealing is not a capital offense, btw

>>6923104
>Why don't they have money?

Take a guess. The information is available to you. There are libraries in your area. Indeed, the World Wide Web may have just the information you seek, if you were willing to look for it.

>>6923123
I pledged in D.A.R.E. to never take drugs, degenerate. Pure ideology is highly addictive.

>>6923123
>muh freedoms

you must be so mad at Brown v. Board

THE INJUSTICE OF IT ALL

>>6923023

There is nothing preventing black people from increasingly their property values and solving this problem by living with dignity, besides their own strains of hedonism, violence and anti-intellectualism. Immigrants throughout america's history have been able to do that starting from nothing; and to think there wasn't discrimination against these groups is absurd, even if they were all 'white'.

>>6923127
That's not what I asked.

How was michael brown not a criminal? He shoplifted, assaulted a police officer and tried to wrestle for his gun.

>>6923129
>Take a guess
Because they're stupid nigs incapable of improving their condition without whitey's help?

I mean look at jews, they came to this country with absolutely nothing in their pockets and within a few generations were the richest minority in America.

The problem isn't "institutional racism" it's low average IQ.

>>6923132
>le ideology meme
What's next, you're gonna say "spooky"?

>>6923137
>black people would be so rich if they weren't filthy niggers - uh, I mean, their culture wasn't so violent
>>6923141
Nice job promoting Zionist propaganda, goy.

>>6923134
>muh freedoms
Yeah fuck freedom haha amirite?

>you must be so mad at Brown v. Board
I am.

>>6923148
>Nice job promoting Zionist propaganda, goy.
The fuck are you talking about? What part of my post had any link with Zionism?

>>6923119

You can't hold someone complicit by being a beneficiary. Any Jew alive today has benefited from the holocaust, haven't they?

Speaking of being complicit, do you really think a share-cropper or tenant farmer had any sort of ties to the management of slave plantations? Or did they have a responsibility to torch those plantations because it was morally reprehensible? No, they were simply concerned with their own livelihood foremost.

>>6923152
JIDF, please. You've clearly read 'The Bell Curve' and are trying to assert that G-d's chosen people are the master race. Very clever, I admit, to shroud it with prejudice against the blacks. Too bad Stephen Jay Gould disproved your theories.

>>6923137
Do you know what a caste system is? This isn't just problem in America, you know. Many societies have an underclass that the upper class will keep from success at every turn.

Your average 1870s Pole or Lithuanian could eventually acculturate, and if he changed his last name from Schischlewiski to Smith, you wouldn't be able to tell the difference between him and a Mayflower descendant.

>>6923160
>JIDF, please. You've clearly read 'The Bell Curve' and are trying to assert that G-d's chosen people are the master race.
Yes, I've read the bell curve, and yes ashkenazi jews have the highest average intelligence out any ethnic group.

>Very clever, I admit, to shroud it with prejudice against the blacks
I'm not shrouding anything. I'm openly saying that ashkenazi jews are on average smarter than whites and that niggers are on average dumber than whites.

>Too bad Stephen Jay Gould disproved your theories.
Stephen Jay Gould is a joke who has been thoroughly debunked.

>>6923162

>caste system
>when a black man is LITERALLY president

good one

>>6923165
Fellow JIDF agent here - what are you doing? You'll reveal our whole plan if you go around in the open like this!

>>6923141
Jesus, you're so uninformed you make George W. Bush look like Winston Churchill.

>Le Michael Brown meme
What fucking year is this? Get over it.

>Jews came this country with nothing
Holy hell eat a dick and read some Semitic history.

>>6923181
I'm not JIDF. In fact I hold opinions which the vast majority of people would consider deeply anti-semitic.

>>6923192
>What fucking year is this? Get over it.
We are less than a year after Michael Brown was shot. This isn't some distant event I'm talking about, but a current event.

Michael Brown was a worthless thug and him getting shot probably saved the taxpayer some money.

>Holy hell eat a dick and read some Semitic history.
The fuck is "semitic history"? The Talmud?

Jews were pretty impoverished when then piled up in the slums of New York.

>>6923177
>Black president absolutely reviled by half the country for no reason but the color of his skin

Yep, that's a caste system, alright.

>>6923181
Van oldskools are definitely my altime favourite shoes

>>6923072
And I would argue that going to second fiddle from not even playing the instrument is an improvement. Clearly, there's still room for improvement in the employment gap and racism, but it's far less severe than Coates and that anon would have people believe, even though it is still quite serious. I'll concede that putting promise in quotations is a bit of a stretch.

>>6923207

[citation needed]

>>6920525

fuck off back to tumblr landwhale feminshit

>>6923162
>comparing a caste system to a class-based system

what

in a strict caste system like something you posted it's literally illegal to move outside your caste and you can't marry outside your caste

anecdotally you might find instances of a rich dad not wanting his daughter marrying a poor guy but it's not illegal

>>6923205
Jews throughout history have had the greatest cultural capital of any "immigrant" population. Because they've valued literacy for thousands of years, you'll find Jews in myriad advisory and financing positions throughout history, whether we're talking about Napoleon, the Habsburgs, or the Spaniards. Of course not all Jews rose to this level, but to say that most Jews were essentially penniless serfs when they immigrated would be forget that their 4th cousin was a Rothschild.

Read Hannah Arendt's Origins of Totalitarianism. It goes through all of this.

>>6920465

Come up with a better objective critique then faglord

>inb4 muh subjectiveness

nah, nah nigger. He's dealing with history, society and politics, all of which can be explained using objective means put in the right historical context

>>6921949
Typical narrative from the distraught left, who blame everything on things outside themselves. The fact that he thinks black people can't stand on their own and need reparations just to live is pretty sad. It's like they're saying they are slaves because of their apparent inherent inferiority to other races.


Most racism, especially violent racism, comes from Blacks who commit 25x more voilent assaults on whites than vice-versa. They can't get jobs because they don't go to school or don't study hard which makes them stupid and unable to get a job.

>>6922539
America doesn't need to apologize. People aren't responsible for what other people did in the past lol.

The narrative of the disparaged black person is really a narrative of black people not being able to do anything for themselves. Most black men never grow up listening to rap and rarely working.

Everything comes down to self-responsibility. All the greatest people who have made change have realized that. It's only the retarded left who believe otherwise.

>>6923221
Have you never met a Republican before?

>>6921047
Except that

>>Blacks are responsible for everything

Is a line that only comes up when careless, completely neutral white people keep hearing how they're at fault for everything in nigger life.

And instead of profiting from their carelessness and improve their life, niggers do what they know best, they nig.

When will /pol/ leave?

>>6923205
history of the semitic people
what are you even doing -- are you trying to misinterpret things or what

>>6921230
>it was literally science that blacks were lesser people, deserving of subjugation based on their physical appearance

Citation fucking needed you pathetic libcuck

>>6923221
the whole 'birther' thing was manifestly racist.

>>6923263
when summer's over probably.

>>6923238
lmao, nice argument you fucking faggot

>>6923239
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-miscegenation_laws_in_the_United_States

As little as 50 years ago, it was absolutely illegal in some places for a white woman to marry a black man. This literally was the law of the land.

Fortunately, the United States has a superior judicial system to insert-equatorial-hellhole-here, so we can move past issues like these.

>>6921393
>being made a slave and taken to the other side of the world and oppressed for generations literally, and then being discriminated against economically and socially even ~200 years later is going to make you more predisposed to violent crimes.

Look at this pathetic subhuman who thinks he's a special snowflake because of colonialism.

Newsflash to you money, niggers were slaves to each other before whites started to trade with them, and prior to that, all european history was based on capturing other white slaves

>>6923281

add a trip so i can filter you fucking anti-white tumblrshit

>>6921435
>Make a minority live in slums
>The children of said minority will be slum-children
>But we didnt do anything to them, only their parents!

>>6923257
If only the Jews had been responsible enough to immigrate, they wouldn't have suffered the Holocaust.

>>6921011
>one year ago when militarized police descended upon the mostly black population of that one bad part of Missouri

Point me to a single incident where whites chimped out like you subhumans in their own communities because some other white guy was shot.

Go on nigger i'm waiting.

>>6920285
>/pol/ trying this hard

>>6923298
Edgy. Is everyone who disagrees with you just a fat lesbian, or just me?

>>6921458

it's praised because it feeds the anti-white anti-national rhethorical guilt of the liberals. Not only that, but as specially now when niggerism and anti-whiteism is at it's tipping point

>>6923270
>Please spoonfeed me

Open wide for da choo choo, big boy!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_racism

>>6923250
>Jews throughout history have had the greatest cultural capital of any "immigrant" population
Not really true. Jews only rose to prominence in the late 17th century.

> Because they've valued literacy for thousands of years, you'll find Jews in myriad advisory and financing positions throughout history, whether we're talking about Napoleon, the Habsburgs, or the Spaniards.
Once again, only after the 17th century.

And exclusively ashkenazi jews. Mizrahi jews are as dumb as arabs.

>Of course not all Jews rose to this level, but to say that most Jews were essentially penniless serfs when they immigrated would be forget that their 4th cousin was a Rothschild.
They were penniless for the most part.

They did have a great capital : genetic capital. In a free country such as America, it's very easy to improve your condition when you're smart. It is no surprise that ashkenazi jews, with their higher genetic intelligence, thrived in America.

If you raise a nigger in a jewish environment it will still have low intellectual capabilities.

>>6921490

Africans were imported to jamaica and they still managed to make a country and identity to themselves. What have you ever achieved, nigger?

Besides meth and crimes, that is.

>>6923308
Kristallnacht. Oh, wait, it wasn't because a white guy got shot, it was for no reason!

>>6923308
whites chimp out when they lose sports games

>>6922537
>Who pays for the suburbs

Other whites.

And when cities run out of them since most will run to the suburbs to get away from nigger infestation leeching in the cities, then the suburbs will be self-sufficient. And when niggers will have no one else to leech on, they'll blame whitey for muh gentrification like they always do

>>6923264
>history of the semitic people
What the fuck is that? Which semitic people? Does a history book on the Assyrian empire count?

>>6923338
>comparing governmental violence with nigs chimping out.

What's next, you're going to claim that whites are more violent than niggers because ww2 was mainly fought among whites?

>>6920285
you don't need to say you're black to call a black man on his bullshit, this isn't reddit

>>6923338
>>6923339
Actually, one of the first race riots in America was when a bunch of poor whites burnt and looted a prominent black neighborhood.

>>6923291
>Maybe if I make up history, they won't know

But we do know, anon. It's funny you say these things, but also kind of embarrassing.

>>6921591

Once again, instead of doing something on his own and manifest his destiny, the nigger just complains to his white master that he be responsible to do it for him

>Nigger acting entitled again

Too bad the south lost, you fucking nigger are absolutely insufferable when you act uppity

>>6922605
Fucking hell man, stop making the Baltics seem so retarded.
From Estonia myself, and we didnt have it nearly as bad as black slaves during serfdom. And yes the USSR was shitty but there was no homelessness or economic inequality with the other republics. In fact we were the richest of the non-russian territories.

>>6923368
Nothing he said was factually incorrect.

>>6923360
shut up you cracker

>>6923376
>and we didnt have it nearly as bad as black slaves during serfdom.
You probably had it worse.

Black slaves had a higher standard of living than the average industrial worker in London during the mid 19th century.

>>6923357
So senseless violence is only bad when it's unorganized, right?

>>6922605
>Nobody blames USSR for the shittiness of the ex-USSR
what? literally everyone does

>>6923304
No, other people have to be self-responsible too. When one side isn't self-responsible, the other side gets fucked or vice-versa.

>>6923368
>being retarded
lel, before whites came to Africa the black people were eating each other, killing, and raping each other's tribes.

>>6921949

The lower income classes in america happen to be black

lower income classes don't have high rates of wanting to rise up, this is common in white countries aswell.

Because even if you're poor you're fucking rich in the 1st world than niggers in africa today. There's literally no incentive for poor people, ergo niggers to rise up the social ladder because they can afford the minimum to survive from wellfare or other sources. Those who do, do it because of their self-motivation

>>6923324
Who would've guessed that a free people could be successful? Somebody call the President, we've made a key discovery here!

>>6923344
Naw. The suburbs are paid in silence by the labourers whom are being exploited by capitalist mode of production which allows conglomeration of liquid capital which has allowed the existence of planned communities American suburbs are so known for.

>>6923386
facists love authority
they'd unironically suck an alphas cock as long as he'd wear a uniform.

>>6923386
No it's bad in both cases.

But organized government backed pogroms are not remotely comparable to a bunch of nigs robbing a liquor store. Only a nigger would fail to see the difference.

>>6923384
>Although the rights of peasants were initially weakened, serfdom was abolished in 1816 in the province of Estonia and in 1819 in Livonia.

As a result of the abolition of serfdom and the availability of education to the native Estonian-speaking population, an active Estonian nationalist movement developed in the nineteenth century. It began on a cultural level, resulting in the establishment of Estonian language literature, theatre and professional music and led on to the formation of the Estonian national identity and the Age of Awakening. Among the leaders of the movement were Johann Voldemar Jannsen, Jakob Hurt and Carl Robert Jakobson.

>>6922539
>america can't even really apologize for slavery

>we're sorry we took you from a tribal stone age society and introduced you to the first world

fucking niggers man...now i know why people hate you so much and want to gas you all. With this behaviour i bet a movement like this would inevitably rise in Europe aswell.

>>6923396
>Who would've guessed that a free people could be successful?
Blacks have been free for 150 years now.

>>6923408
Wow, I thought it was abolished earlier. So just 40 years difference.

>>6923384
>>6923408
we had it way better

>>6923378
>Europe was filled with white slaves for a millennium

But that's demonstrably untrue. Do you inquire about history, or just shitpost about it?

>>6922590
>serfs by definition were bound to their ancestral land

Yeah like celts from today's france had an ancestral land in the italian peninsula

>>6923421
In what ways? Work hours? Avalability of food? Material comforts?

All of those things blacks enjoyed more than the average 19th century estonian.

>>6923391
>lel, before whites came to Africa the black people were eating each other, killing, and raping each other's tribes.

Are you implying 'whites' didn't do this too? To each other?

Nah, Impossible, white people dindu nuffin.Everyone else is a savage except them, right?

>>6923391
> trying to make sweeping statements over the anthropological trends of people of an entire continent
This is not very fruitful. If you wish to discuss Africa in an intelligent and an open manner, rather than merely re-stating your wide statements which mix confusingly questioning, accusing and concluding views of an entire continent of hundreds of millions people, I would advise you in the words of Lenin.

"Study, study, study."

>>6923422
>Europe was filled with white slaves for a millennium
He didn't say that. Stop strawmanning.

>>6923391
And who in the white landowner/black slave dichotomy got more fucked? This is an easy question.

>>6923148
>>black people would be so rich if they weren't filthy niggers - uh, I mean, their culture wasn't so violent

Welcome to the situation of the irish, 200 years ago.

Admit it, you're a subhuman nigger, nigger

>>6923391
>They were being mistreated, so we can mistreat them too!

Just stop.

>>6923434
>Are you implying 'whites' didn't do this too? To each other?
I doubt whites practiced cannibalism other than in times of great famines.

>>6923428
wtf? where do you get thsi from? serfdom was abolished 1816.

>>6923418
> Blacks have been free for 150 years now.
In the most basic American sense, being enfranchised, Blacks have been free in U.S only for 50 years.

>>6923449
What do you mean where do I get this from?

Standards of living of black slaves in America were higher than the average European during the early half of the 19th century. I'm guessing Estonia was no exception.

>>6923418
You're forgetting Jim Crow, redlining, segregation.

Lots of stuff, really. Are you dense, or just pretending?

>>6923446
Cannibalism and inbreeding have been reportedly practised in remote areas, such as in Spanish state of Extremedura of Europe as late as 1930s.

>>6923313

Disagree? hahah, try posting bullshit fed to you by your own masochistic self-hatred. And you people are batshit crazy, i can't take you seriously even if you nitpick statistics to suit your biased agenda. No sane rational people would rationalise his own demise. You people belong to a mental ward, not in a free society

>>6923452
>Standards of living of black slaves in America were higher than the average European during the early half of the 19th century.

where do you get this from?

>>6923450
>In the most basic American sense, being enfranchised, Blacks have been free in U.S only for 50 years.
Which is more than enough to improve one's condition.

On the contrary, they've declined dramatically. It's almost as if they were better off under Jim Crow.

>>6923457
Yeah, jews never faced any discrimination, ever. The Irish never faced any discrimination, ever. The chinese never faced any discrimination, ever. The Italians never faced any discrimination ever.

>>6923263

When you finish to stop being a pathetic libcuck who thinks his post-modern muh everything is subjective therefor i am right, mentality will dissapear.

>>6923446
I'm also talking about the raping and killing more than the cannibalism. The dumb fuck said before 'whites' came to Africa black people were doing this when literally every other group on earth did these acts.

It's like saying
>ayy lmao before white people came to africa black people were breathing.

>>6920285
it's exactly the same mistake he makes by being a feminist as well. Modern feminism is the exact equivalent because they also portray women as perpetual victims instead of human beans with agency and decision-making capabilities, be it bad ones.

>>6923462
Im replying to myself

but do you get this because of the great nothern war? because war is different to slavery

>>6923436
>all european history was based on capturing other white slaves

Sorry. That's THREE millennia. Man, you'd think after just one or two millennia they'd get tired of it, huh?

>>6923465
> On the contrary, they've declined dramatically.
Can you provide peer-reviewed sociological or econometrical evidence that supports this hypothesis? I'd be especially interested in seeing on what social, economic and cultural statistics do you base this revolutionary statement and the implications that come with it.

>>6923320
> where it was used in justifying White European imperialism

>White european imperialism

Like i'm sure a frenchman would agree he's the same as a german in their competition to colonise more lands. Kek. Obvious edited wikipedia is obvious.

Suck my dick and go die in a fire, libshit

>>6923461
>rationalise

Non-American detected. Your opinion doesn't matter.

>>6923339

Still waiting an exact equivalent example. Try harder my monkey friend.

>>6923404
>>6923386

That's because he probably is a nigger. Ate a banana at the zoo today and somehow he got access to the janitor's computer

>>6923391
Unsubstantiated reports of cannibalism disproportionately relate cases of cannibalism among cultures that are already otherwise despised, feared, or are little known. In antiquity, Greek reports of cannibalism, (often called anthropophagy in this context) were related to distant non-Hellenic barbarians, or else relegated in Greek mythology to the 'primitive' chthonic world that preceded the coming of the Olympian gods: see the explicit rejection of human sacrifice in the cannibal feast prepared for the Olympians by Tantalus of his son Pelops. All South Sea Islanders were cannibals so far as their enemies were concerned. When the whaleship Essex was rammed and sunk by a whale in 1820, the captain opted to sail 3000 miles upwind to Chile rather than 1400 miles downwind to the Marquesas because he had heard the Marquesans were cannibals. Ironically many of the survivors of the shipwreck resorted to cannibalism to survive.

However, Herman Melville happily lived with the Marquesan Typees for a time after the other two tribes on the island told him they were cannibals. In his semi-autobiographical novel Typee, he reports seeing shrunken heads and having strong evidence that the tribal leaders ceremonially consumed the bodies of killed warriors of the neighboring tribe after a skirmish.

William Arens, author of The Man-Eating Myth: Anthropology and Anthropophagy,[28] questions the credibility of reports of cannibalism and argues that the description by one group of people of another people as cannibals is a consistent and demonstrable ideological and rhetorical device to establish perceived cultural superiority. Arens bases his thesis on a detailed analysis of numerous "classic" cases of cultural cannibalism cited by explorers, missionaries, and anthropologists. He asserted that many were steeped in racism, unsubstantiated, or based on second-hand or hearsay evidence.[29] Arens' findings are controversial, and have been cited as an example of postcolonial revisionism.[30]

>>6923460
I'm going to need a citation buddy.

>>6923462
I'm looking for it, I'll get back to you when I find it.

>>6923468
What he meant was that Africa was a loose collection of cannibalistic tribes in perpetual state of tribal warfare.

Europe was far more advanced. Did they commit massacres? Yes, but in a civilized way.

>>6923475
It's obvious that he meant Roman slavery/serfdom. Are you dense?

>>6923478
Just look at illegitimacy rates.

>>6923434
Nah, of course they did but it was rare. It is like comparing war death rates to killings in a civilized society. They also took slaves.

>>6923439
Doesn't matter who got more fucked. Those people don't exist now and the people here now are entirely different. black people mainly enjoy affirmative action that have nothing to do with them. It takes away their personal responsibility to say, "here is a free gift, sorry for hurting people who aren't alive anymore." Black people think they are entitled to everything because of discrimination they used to face.

>>6923262
>Is a line that only comes up when careless, completely neutral white people keep hearing how they're at fault for everything in nigger life.

No, it comes up when bigoted people like yourself don't want to see the bigger picture. Saying white people share some responsibility for perpetuating an unfair system isn't the same as blaming them for every single thing. Just use a little common sense. The success of the first world depends on the dependence of the third world; do you feel personally responsible for every single bad thing that happens to people who work in third world sweatshops?

>>6923465
Irish: Just blend in, or hit up your cousin for a loan
Jew: Just blend in, or hit up your cousin for a loan
Chinese: Kept to themselves, hit up cousins for loans
Italians: Just blend in, become police, control major cities
Blacks. Just blen-... shit. Just hit up your cous-... fuck.

>>6923496
> I'm going to need a citation buddy.
http://www.persee.fr/web/revues/home/prescript/article/rga_0035-1121_1928_num_16_2_4462_t1_0545_0000_1

Coates, like so many leftists in modern America, each with their own form of 'identity politics', miss the point entirely. 'White supremacy' is just one form of historical materialism and capitalism in America. We know Coates rejects Marxist discourse on race when he misunderstands the concept of false consciousness in a passing statement in The Case for Reparations. As long as people keep confusing the effects for the cause we are going to be rereading these same stories over and over. However, it is important to note the critiques made by W.E.B. Du Bois and Ralph Ellison that the white socialist and communist movements ditched African-Americans to appeal to the white working class or in Ellison's case, dropped black people to circlejerk to Stalinism.

>>6923480
>I only believe sources that reinforce my worldview

My condolences to you, my friend.

>Kek
What year is this?

>>6923507
And why can't blacks hit up their cousins for a loan? Because their cousins are also worthless niggers?

Black poverty is a result of low intelligence, not "oppression".

>>6923496
> Just look at illegitimacy rates.
That's not a sustained or comprehensive analysis of the quality of life of African Americans, and furthermore, you fail to provide the peer reviewed sources.

Do you not have factual evidence to back up your view?

>>6923522
> Black poverty is a result of low intelligence, not "oppression".
Can you provide factual evidence for this claim?

>>6923496
>All European history
>Actually just a few centuries more than 1500 years ago

You're not helping the case, bud.

>>6923496
>Europe was far more advanced. Did they commit massacres? Yes, but in a civilized way.

Civilized Massacres, that's a fucking oxymoron If I ever heard one.

>Africa was a loose collection of cannibalistic tribes in perpetual state of tribal warfare.

Where did you get this notion? It literally takes 2 seconds of googling to find that the entirety of pre-colonial Africa wasn't this uncivilized no-mans land that people like to portray it as.

>>6923360
I was just clarifying what another anon was implying, that being black would somehow make the book appealing. Though if posting that would've turned this thread into /pol/ I wouldn't have posted it.

>>6923512
Are you fucking serious? A french article written in the 1920s?

I tried googling "Jurdes" and found absolutely nothing. Go fuck yourself.

>>6923497
Why have a Constitution at all? I don't care what some white slavefucker like Thomas Jefferson thinks about how our nation should be run.

IT WAS 250 YEARS AGO, THOSE PEOPLE DON'T EVEN EXIST ANYMORE

>>6923523
>That's not a sustained or comprehensive analysis of the quality of life of African Americans, and furthermore, you fail to provide the peer reviewed sources.
You can just google "black illegitimacy rates" and find a plethora of sources showing an illegitimacy rates hovering at around 70%

This is just one example of the decline of black americans. Another would be rap "music".

>>6923528
Sure. IQ correlates with professional success, and Blacks have a low average IQ, hence black IQ makes blacks poor.

>>6923529
Have you ever heard of the word "serfdom"?

>>6923530
>Civilized Massacres, that's a fucking oxymoron If I ever heard one.
No it's not, you're just too stupid to see the difference between an army and a bunch of pants-sagging niggers.

>Where did you get this notion? It literally takes 2 seconds of googling to find that the entirety of pre-colonial Africa wasn't this uncivilized no-mans land that people like to portray it as.
Except for a few pockets of islamized blacks in west africa and on the east african coast, Africa was indeed the way I described it.

>>6923488
a fellow man being shot and killed by an official government institution for seemingly spurious reasons is a far better reason to riot than because "one's sport team" lost a match.

>>6923533
It's an ethnographical study of a remote village in Spain. Of course it is from 1920s; after the study, the village became notorious and new administration fixed it. This is anthropology, not theoretical physics - the subjects in study are a vanishing breed, and there usually is not very much competition from other anthropologists.

>>6923550
Care to give a source in english?

>the village became notorious and new administration fixed it
Yet I can't find anything about it on google.

>>6921663
Get fucked, Baldwin is a great writer. And I'm not even an American; I couldn't care less about your petty-ass racial issues.

>>6923522
When your cousin is also a slave, you're kinda fucked.

Indeed, you're even more fucked when you go to a white-owned bank and they say, "We'd never give a black man a loan."

Do you really think it was just hunky-dory happy time after all the slaves were freed in the 1860s? Do you really believe that there is no legacy of slavery?

>>6923548
> You can just google "black illegitimacy rates" and find a plethora of sources showing an illegitimacy rates hovering at around 70%
And I did not ask for that! I could find them, yes, but I am not looking for them.

What I ask you to provide is scientifically accurate (= peer reviewed), modern sociological and econometrical studies that state that lives of Blacks in America is quantitatively worse than what it was before 1964. Googling a singular statistic does not provide the empirical facts that are necessary for providing an educated opinion on the matter.

For the third, and the last time: state your sources lest you appear a charlatan.

>>6921709

How is that non sequitur you fuck? i dig the strawman but the other not

>>6923548
> Sure. IQ correlates with professional success, and Blacks have a low average IQ, hence black IQ makes blacks poor.
And I'd like that have that in academic format as well instead implying blindly that correlating things are each others' causation.

>>6923548
>serfdom

Almost kind maybe slavery in some cases for a short time isn't "slavery." Don't be a goalpost-moving dunce.

>>6923548
>Another would be rap "music".
>Blacks have a low average IQ
>you're just too stupid to see the difference between an army and a bunch of pants-sagging niggers.

>>6923548
>Except for a few pockets of islamized blacks in west africa and on the east african coast, Africa was indeed the way I described it.

Ah, so it wasn't just:
>Africa was a loose collection of cannibalistic tribes in perpetual state of tribal warfare.

Sick backpedaling my man

>No it's not, you're just too stupid to see the difference between an army and a bunch of pants-sagging niggers.

The definition of an army is:
>an organized military force equipped for fighting on land.

Surely the raping and killing done in 'tribal warfare' was also 'civilized massacres' then. Why make an exception for White people?

>>6923554
Begin with wikipedia and proceed to its sources, I guess?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Las_Hurdes

>>6923557
>Do you really believe that there is no legacy of slavery?
Yes there is absolutely none.

The legacy "keeping da black man down" is their inferior genetic legacy.

>>6923559
> is quantitatively worse
There is no such quantitative metric.

But there is a plethora of specific metrics which show a great decline. Things such as illegitimacy rates, for example.

And since you're too stupid to use google (probably because you're a nigger), here's a source : http://cnsnews.com/commentary/walter-e-williams/true-black-tragedy-illegitimacy-rate-nearly-75

>>6923573
>>6923571
>>6923559
#rekt

>>6923571
Jesus, do I have to google everything for you?
>http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2012/03/120329142035.htm

>>6923573
Serfdom was far worse than black slavery.

>>6923579
>I've run out of arguments

>>6923581
>Sick backpedaling my man
I'm not back-pedalling, I'm painting a clearer picture.

If you took a random african in the 1850s, chances are he'd be a member of some backwards rainforest dwelling tribe.

>Surely the raping and killing done in 'tribal warfare' was also 'civilized massacres' then.
No it wasn't. Jesus fuck you're dense.

>>6923582
Where exactly does it support your claims of cannibalism?

>>6923587
Spoke a bit too early nigger.

plot twist: most america white have some nigger mix generations ago

These discussions are just frustating.
>>6923593 This guy is too stuck on his backwards worldvision to change his mind. What's even the point of arguing?

>>6923547
Completely different things. Liberal logic is great.

What you're saying is if I kill your mother, then the next three generations of my children should give you money.

What I'm saying is if I kill your mother, it has no thing to do with my children.

>>6923559
>not thinking black people are inherently stupider
>still living in mud huts in Africa
Yes, you're right. They're not stupid. How could I miss this? What great advancements they have made.

Lefties think they can't control themselves and are simply made of outside forces.

>>6923583
I think we should do a study, just you and me.

I'll keep you as a slave for a few years (let's say 25). I'll do my level best to treat you just as a white slaveowner would have treated his own slave. I won't kill you unless you try and revolt. You won't be able to read anything, but you can go to church, and you can work in my garden. I'll expand it so you can get that full 10 hours in, gotta keep you lean. You won't be paid. I'll try and find you a suitable wife.

Your children won't be born free, and they won't be allowed to attend school, but they'll be emancipated when you are. I think it'll really improve their work ethic to be enslaved for much of their lives. I bet they'll be really fit and suitable to get an excellent job when they leave. After all, they've been working all day for me, it should be a cinch if they find the right office job.

>>6920285
#Shrekt

>>6923602
I consider myself to be far more open minded than you niggers.

You niggers are incapable of considering the possibility that nigger failure is due to anything else than "muh uppreshun"

>>6923606
A better experiment would be for both of us to immigrate to New York City with 10$ in the bank and see who fares better.

>>6923603
When you kill my mother, you'll go to prison as expected.

And when that happens, I'm sure it will have absolutely no effect on your own children. None at all, surely. They'll go about their lives exactly as they had.

>>6923603
>>still living in mud huts in Africa
some are -- these are simply the aboriginals -- compare them to those in Oceania.

>>6923606
>black's today have no idea of what slavery is
>they can't do anything because of muh slavery

>>6923620
which is why your argument is retarded. Don't compare things that aren't similar

>>6923593
>No it wasn't. Jesus fuck you're dense.

Then what is 'tribal warfare'? It'd be done by tribes with an organized military force fighting on land, the fucking definition of an army. You can't discount that just because of the technology used or did the Romans not have an army? What that also tribal warfare?

Why not outright admit you're biased towards white people than attempting to debate.

>>6923603
>>Yes, you're right. They're not stupid. How could I miss this? What great advancements they have made.

>>Lefties think they can't control themselves and are simply made of outside forces.


>Washington DC is full of huge buildings and technology!

>Wyoming is much less developed and has less technology

>We can follow from this that Wyoming people is more genetically more stupid than Washington DC people

this is you

>>6920525
>just, like, stop being poor and having crime problems, you guys!

That's pretty sound advice.

>>6923618
We can do that, but only after I've enslaved you and your children for 25 years. Sound good?

>>6923618
>I consider myself to be far more open minded than you niggers.
top fucking lel
I don't think constant insults are a sign of open-mindedness.

>>6923555
Guy was ragging on writers who only wrote about race issues. You didn't prove him wrong, he's still right about blacks writing only about black issues.

>>6923632
Shit comparison.

>both states still have far more technology than Africa would have had if it weren't for other races

>but black people aren't inherently stupider!

Even if I used your analogy then white people would still be considered smarter than blacks.

I find it funny you people defend blacks when they commit the most crime, and take the most welfare statistically rather than considering the fact that they aren't responsible and are inherently stupider than other races. The jews are doing just fine after the holocaust but not the blacks. They're still being oppressed!

This is an embarrassing thread

>>6923657
The west literally displaced a whole naion to make room for them, ofcourse they are fine

>>6923659
itsnotoveryet.jpg

>>6923368
>But we do know, anon. It's funny you say these things, but also kind of embarrassing.

If i were you i'd be embarrassed to ask for pardons for people getting me out from possibly the most backwarded region of the planet of both the past and the present.

Keep sucking whitey's cock nigger, unless you want to achieve something in your pathethic subhuman nigger life, that is.

>>6923657

Can you read? My point is that the analogy is fake because there are others reasons why wyoming and washington DC are different technology and development wise. Those reasons aren't because of the people itself but the decisions in a global scale (in this case state scale)

It's not about the people but the context.

>>6923500
And what's my fault in what my ancestors did 200 years ago again,exactly? Try harder nigger boy

>>6923675
no one is blaming you you dumb shit, weare examining the situation

>>6923519

>sources

>Wikipedia

wow such info. so condolences. much sources

be honest, who /pol/ in here?

>>6923665
shit comparison, just because they have a nation doesn't mean they are fine.

That's like saying if blacks went to Africa they would be fine.

>>6923673
that's fallacious reasoning because the global scale applied to Africa as well in the contextual sense of it having the same things other nations had. If your argument is they didn't have transportation that means they were too stupid to come up with the means of transportation.

>>6923549
The reason to riot was because niggers are not responsible for anything and that whites treat them unfairly in a system allegedly created specificly to disadvantage niggers. That was the official narrative of the entire fiasco. Come up with something better other than muh feelings

>>6923686

>that's fallacious reasoning because the global scale applied to Africa as well in the contextual sense of it having the same things other nations had.

That's completely wrong and false

>>6923686
>shit comparison
i wasnt making a comparison, you were

>>6923681

>anyone who disagrees with me is /pol/

Be honest, who's an actual nigger here?

>>6923669
>A black person practiced slavery in America

Not sure how that's particularly relevant. Can you elaborate on "Keep sucking whitey's cock nigger," I'm not sure what you're trying to say.

>>6923700
Probably none.

>>6923698
Except it isn't.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural_resources_of_Africa
Africans would've been fine if they were as intelligent as other races but they aren't. They don't know how to use resources to their advantages, sorry to ruin your little narrative.

>>6923703
"The slave trade is the ruling principle of my people. It is the source and the glory of their wealth…the mother lulls the child to sleep with notes of triumph over an enemy reduced to slavery…"
-King Ghezo

>I'm not sure what you're trying to say.

I said

KILL...YOURSELF...NIGGER

>>6923675
>Black people ask for equality
>NOT MY PROBLEM, THE FRAMERS OF THE CONSTITUTION DIDN'T GIVE A SHIT WHY SHOULD I

>black people ask for Jim Crow laws to be nixed
>NOT MY PROBLEM, THOSE WERE ESTABLISHED ALMOST A HUNDRED YEARS AGO

>Black people demonstrate to gain the rights they're guaranteed by law
>FUCKING UPPITY NIGGERS I CAN'T BELIEVE THIS YOU UNGRATEFUL FUCKS AFTER ALL I'VE DONE FOR YOU

>>6923705


True, i couldn't have differentiate them in the dark too.

>>6923714
We're not in the dark though. We're on a chinese imageboard.

>50% of this thread

Christ...this blew up over night. You know there's a few rotten apples in every basket right? Obviously there is a race problem in America that needs to be addressed, it's just that it's not the conspiracy everyone thinks it is.

>>6923710
>Black people ask for equality instead of fighting and achieving it

Ahahahaha. Holy fucking shit..aa--HAHAHAAAHA..people are actually this fucking stupid IRL. Hot dang. No wonder niggers are subhuman monkeys who kill each other out of boredom


>Black people demonstrate to gain the rights they're guaranteed by law

The laws guarantees you to chimp out and destroy private and public property? Trust me if this were the case i'd gang up with a couple of friends, come to your neighborhood and lynch your kind till they are no more.

>>6923654
I think you do have to take into account Coates defense of this: "I continue to write about race in America because it continues to effect me."

Don't most great writers write about the things that are most effecting their lives and the lives of those around them?

>>6923734
>is upper-middle class
>had a shit childhood because parents are poor immigrants
>i was poor because white people didn't give me all their money and respect

>>6923730
seriously this type of shit doesn't belong on /lit/. I may be pretentious, but get this bottom-feeder bullshit back to /pol/ and /b/

>>6923743
>made counterpoint to about black writers only writing about oppression
>haven't read TNC, didn't claim to, quoted one thing I heard on FreshAir
>Didn't justify a single word of a memoir that I've yet to read

>>6923654
Not really, though, Baldwin got shat on by racial ideologues because he refused to be a stereotypical black writer. Yes, he deeply cared about "the black experience", but he also cared about alienation in a wider sense: sexual and creative as well as racial. He also liked Paris much better than Harlem because it allowed him to feel human rather than just black. Many blacks in the US never forgave him for that. I despise stereotypical racial writers as much as the next guy, but Baldwin is not one of them. Shit on Morrison and her cronies all you want, for instance, but don't get short-sighted and ignorant.

>>6923730
>The laws guarantees you to chimp out and destroy private and public property? Trust me if this were the case i'd gang up with a couple of friends, come to your neighborhood and lynch your kind till they are no more.

Sure you would tough guy. There's no need to keep the macho act on the internet, there's no one who can touch you here.

>>6923750
You don't need to defend black people writing about oppression. People do what they want. I just replied to you because I do what I want

>>6922573
Sorry, meant Declaration of Independence

>>6923744
>F-fucking w-white trash! liberals pls help me!

My oh my, what would i give to meet you irl, take a hammer and bash your fucking nigger skull on the sidewalk. I think there's no greater masturbatory fantasy of mine than seeing a nigger who thinks of himself as this animalistic alpha getting reduced to nothing but a brown piece of shit on the street who leeks blood. If there ever be a race war, i will probably be the first one to lynch and piss on you subhumans on the streets while you sit in your ghettos beating your wife and kids.

>>6923752
Give me an adress, a phone number or something. I'll gradly expose my opinions regarding the issue when we meet up someplace and we can have an honest discussion

>>6923772

lol, your post reeks of /pol/ and TRP. Is this how you spent your free time? Nobody on /lit/ speaks like this but once some /pol/ thread leaks it gets filled with those retards

>>6923772
oh no,p-pls no I'm so scared, this text makes me piss my pants in terror, please forgive me.

Your pampered 1st world ass couldn't fight itself out of a paper bag so don't pretend to be some hardcore alpha on a literature board on the fucking internet of all places.

>>6923772

>>6923816
>>6923821
>>6923824


Yeah that's what i thought.

Now you niggers behave like the subservient apes that you are, and know your place.

>>6920285

>shitty, populist thesis
>hasn't read the book
>quoting an amazon review as proof
>obvious /pol/ack
>almost definitely written by a chubby high schooler who's never been outside of America

Jesus, even a year ago /lit/ would be calling you out on this bullshit. How has this board dipped so far in quality? RIP, /lit/

>>6923827
Nah, sorry I'm fucking your wife and daughter. You should know your place by the bedside table, furiously masturbating like the cuckold you are.

Don't try to deny it.

>>6923630
>Then what is 'tribal warfare'?
A bunch of chimps attacking another bunch of chimps, killing every male and raping every female.

If you can't see the difference between that and, say, the American Civil war, then I've got bad news...

>>6923636
All right, if you become a serf living like under the Russian Empire for 25 years.

>>6923640
They are not correlated.

>>6923832
>>almost definitely written by a chubby high schooler who's never been outside of America

>>6923835
>muh dik muhfugga
Pathetic tbh

>>6923835

>literally only thing to pride yourself with is muh dik

Niggers everyone. The cockroaches of the human gene pool.

>>6923842

Only thing I've been projecting lately is my dick gravy all over your mum's face

>>6923863

Suck my cock and die in eternal fire, nigger loving scum.

>>6923866
Nobody manufactures straws small enough to perform that task.

>>6923461
>muh white genocide
What's the matter lad, upset that some niggers genocided your mum's cunt?

>>6923841
>mfw almost every woman in Berlin was raped after the Soviets broke through
>mfw the Nazis raped most women, then killed them along with the men
Sooooooo different, you guys.

Didn't this guy change his twitter avatar to U. S. Grant, a slave-owner, because he was butthurt over the Confederate flag flying in SC?

I can't take him seriously for that reason alone.