/lit/ - Literature

>>6915045

yeah i remember getting phenomenology of spirit when i wasn't ready for it either. but we all go through those naive precocious phases when we're just starting off.

>>6915045
why are they enabling you?

only read the top two of your pile and love them both

>>6915045
Fatal Shore isn't history btw.

>>6915045
Fuck these Phillistines, happy birthday anon, enjoy your gifts.

>>6915092

Thanks! It's been an amazing birthday.

>7 oz lobster tail
>lobster mac and cheese
>books to keep me busy for the rest of the summer

>>6915092

>Phillistines

lol

and no one has been overtly philistine i don't even know what you mean by that

>>6915045
>Hegel's Phenomenology of Spirit
>implying

>>6915045
I can't believe you asked your parents to get you a meme book

This is your life

>Animal Collective

You're clearly not mature enough for those books.

>Diving into Spirit, Tractatus and Being and Time this newfaggishly unprepared

I can see the disappointment a mile away. That delightful epiphany of your ambitious yet naive prior self that thought he could understand just about anything under the sun...

We've all been there. And it's inevitable that many will make the same mistake over and over again.

My birthday's the same day too, hope yours was fun OP

>what do you want for your birthday son?
>something I can impress lit with!
>say no more

>>6915045
You seem like you have a really awesome family bro :) of those books I've only read Meditations but it has been life changing and is up there with the bible for me.

Congratulations and happy birthday man.

those family dynamics sound fucked up op.

but those books are not bad, i hope you make something out of them and that they guide you into even better ones cause you are gonna need them... cause they are the only thing you will have. youll remember this.

you sound young enough, around 20 maybe?, so it is fine to get so many different things, as in exploring whats out there. but eventually you gotta choose and focus on a single orientation.

Which AnCo album?

>>6915045
i hope youve done some background reading or/and are prepared to read complementary texts to accompany and aid your reading of a few of those

>>6916077
the bad one, oh wait...

Those books look hard. I'm not ashamed to admit it I am a fiction pleb. I took a class on greek phil and Plato sort of made sense but when we moved on to Aristotle it was just incomprehensible. Meditations is pretty basic but I probably missed out a lot not knowing Epictetus etc.

Happy birthday anon.

>translations

Learn Greek and German ffs smh

Also surf and turf is a splurge dinner for plebs. Go to a real restaurant with Michelin stars.

Just taking the piss. Happy birthday bro.

get a facebook and some friends you worthless loser

>>6916552
uhh anon, true but you need to polish the way you say things...

>>6915045
wich ac album fag?

>>6916086
read a comfy overview like McGee's Story of Philosophy

i have that same copy of being and time lad

This thread is a travesty of bitterness and jealousy.

Happy birthday, op.

>>6915045
Ech. Way too much philosophy for my taste I wouldn't read all of those in a row personally, but not a bad haul overall. You'll probably find many of those are really difficult to understand, but that doesn't mean you will not get anything out of it.

>>6915045
way to waste your gift on a bunch of shit you cant handle dumbass

Have you read Descartes? Hume? Kant?

wonder how your brother feels being related to someone so pathetic he has to show off his 'birthday hauls' on /lit/

You got a bunch of memes? Cool. You know philosophy is just maths now, though, right? What a waste.

>>6915091
I know, but it looked interesting enough

>>6915903
>only teenages on /mu/ like ac

>>6915941
>these are my first philosophy books
>im new to this kind of thing
>im going to be disappointed with these "hard" books

Projecting much friendo ?

>>6915944
I rarely coming across Aug 1 birthdays, even with the birthday paradox being the way it is, Hope you had fun and Happy birthday to you.

>>6915951
Thanks annon! and they are awesome.

>>6916916
>pic related

>>6916002
>family dynamics are fine.
>29


>>6916087
I agree and dislike reading translated work but hoping to enjoy these.
Dunno about Greek, but was considering picking up German over the next year or so.

>>6916945
Thanks annon!

>>6916970
>lol

>>6916983
>yes, yes and why waste my time

>>6917023
>reading schopey without kant

>>6917028
Yeah he's reading hegel and schopenhauer without the background of kant or schelling/fichte for that matter.

>jumping into heidegger without a background in husserl

What a pleb. full pleb
could you imagine universities/colleges filled with OPs.

>>6917048
Anyone who cares about that obscurantist mystic is a pleb.

>>6917055
What could you expect from a guy who thinks Kant is a waste of time.
Least he's got ego&hisown so he can meme it up.

>>6917014
>philosophy is just maths now

>>6917023
>not here comes the Indian or sung tongs

>>6917066
Yes, because maths is the perfect language. The 20th century was about deciphering language and the 21st century is about expressing logical formulae through the perfect language.

>>6917023
>buying an album on vinyl that has been digitally mastered
you're a fucking idiot

>>6917078
7/10
but seriously, someone here mentioned husserl. go and read him.

>>6917082
I don't care about non-philosophers. Go read Kripke

>>6917079

While you are correct there is no "le warmer sound" to be gained by something digitally mastered, if someone plays vinyl and collects vinyl and is going to buy something physical anyway. . . why not vinyl?

>>6917048
>You gotta read the entire canon prior without reading x
you'll never get to the 20th century that way

>>6917096
>I don't care about non-philosophers
oh boy, you're on a roll!

>>6917134
Go back to Paris, fag, this board isn't for your kind.

>>6917138
>I take this meme board seriously

>>6917147
You're just upset because you can't sound deep here.

>>6917122
It doesn't take long to read a few books fella

why cant you let people enjoy stuff? even if hes not "prepared" for them they will whether motivate him into working to understand them, or just discouraging from philosophy and trying something that better fits him.

doing things "in order" is not a guarantee of succeeding in understanding them anyway.

>>6917151
>le continental meme

See sport you're participating in the same meme fiesta.

Embrace it!

>>6915045
Happy annual celebration of your uterine emancipation, OP. Those all look like great books.

Happy birthday anon. Meditations is what got me into reading/philosophy again... Enjoy your presents

>>6917138
please continue. and while you're at it: could you please explain math and it's purpose? but only use math for it ;)

>>6917023
>>29

wow... something sounds terribly wrong there... have fun with your books anyway, theyre cool.

philosophical investigations would be a good one to read after all that.

>>6917122
Strong logic moron.
Why dont you go and pick up an advanced maths book when you dont even know how to add/sum numbers together.

>>6917159
Implying reading philosophy is about enjoyment.
If you want enjoyment/distraction just go read some pleb fiction.

He's reading stuff he wont really understand just so he can be smug / pretentious.

>doing things "in order" is not a guarantee
Sure it doesnt, but you *definitely* wont understand if you dont.

>>6917159

>>6917171
Autism

>>6917014
>>6917078
The linguistic turn is over.
It achieved absolutely nothing.
Read some philosophy by authors not on the autism spectrum.

>>6917171
>you *definitely* wont understand if you dont.

witty disagrees.

>>6917167
>waaah spoonfed me

>>6917171
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Get back to me when you finish undergrad

>>6917178
You are not the Real, but rather Signifying the Signifier in Significance of the Signal that the uh-uh nigga can't uh Identify with uh-uh the uh whiteness of the not Blackness of the Other.

>>6917185
I'll have a mocha please B)

>>6917171
>pleb fiction

LMAO YOU AUTISTIC FUCK

FUCKING KILL YOURSELF

>>6917182
Considering the very philosophers he is reading actually read the philosophers previous to themselves and built off their work, you'd think it might be a slight advantage to read the history of ideas.

>>6917176
>>6917185
angry plebs detected
>why cant I just read nietzsche without any previous reading in philosophy and be cool, it's all about enjoyment anyway

>>6917187
Autism

>>6917191
Wittgenstein never did.

>>6917171
Do you know why these "analytic" philosophers have a particular distaste for fiction? Because they are literally autistic, they have trouble empathising with the characters.

Don't try and argue with someone like this, their stance is legitimately a result of a mental incomprehension.

>>6917183

>>6915045
Nice pickups, OP. Getting good books as presents is the best. I got a friend of mine Cinema 1 and 2 by Deleuze because he is a massive film buff, and the Criterion blu ray of M.

>>6917196
>can't refute something
>a-autism!! You are not the Real Human Experience!!!

>>6917202
There is nothing to refute. You attempt to refute using your capabilities, which happen to be impaired in a sociological manner.

>>6917194
Are you implying Wittgenstein did not read philosophy before he wrote his books?

>>6917196
>empathising with the characters
Yeah stick to that.
Meanwhile philosophers go about understanding reality, language, morality, consciousness etc.. etc..

>muh characters
>muh feels

>>6917202
Apparently suggesting that a book that requires pre-requisite readings makes you autistic. I guess that kind of attitude wouldnt bode well for any kind of complex area of study (e.g. STEM) or philosophy.
Do they expect to just be able to walk in and instantly understand everything without any effort?

>>6917196
this

>>6917212
Don't try and pretend you're above emotions and empathy.

I know you have trouble comprehending it, due to your impairment, but you still have that longing. It is in your DNA, even if you'd wish it wasn't.

>>6917191
this is 4chan. your attitude makes sense for a philosophy class. whats your problem with people reading philosophy without having a clue and then pretending to know?

the value of something is not the thing itself but what one makes of it. if op wants to pretend that is his value, if you want to find truth, or whatever, that is your value. philosophy is just a tool, and as such can be used for whatever the user wants/needs.

a hammer can be used to make chairs, but also someone could use it to break windows and steal or to as a weapon in a fight. whos to say those are wrong uses? they are each effective in their field.

>>6917194
Dude Witty learned Norwegian just so he could read Kierkegaard

>>6917212
He did not. He only read Russell and Frege's mathematics. He even bragged about not knowing a word of Aristotle or Plato. Read Ray Monk's biography of him.

>>6917218
After he had published Tractatus.

This thread is turning retarded.
You don't need to read the whole canon to get something out of a book, but reading Hegel and Schopenhauer without at least Kant is silly. Being And Time can be done without Husserl - I've seen it happen. But German Idealism requires Kant.

>>6917223
>I read Monk's biography!
>I am an expert in Wittgenstein!

Actually he read Schopenhauer as a teen. Get your facts straight.

>>6917218
>Norwegian
subtle

>>6917235
Source?

>>6917237
:^)

>>6917230
Each valuable work of philosophy is standalone in its own right.

You might get more out of it if you knew more of the context of why it exists in the first place, there might be some terms and technicalities that you might not understand, but if you pick up a work of philosophy and you cannot understand any of it due to its complete reliance on other works, it is worthless.

>>6917212
>Are you implying Wittgenstein did not read philosophy before he wrote his books?

not him but yes, exactly that. he of course read some shit in a non systematic way, moved by his existential drives.

there is even a quite straight quote about the question, from his 30-32 cambridge course. he literally says that philosophy is to be attacked straight without wasting time reading its history.

>>6917243
But Heidegger, Lacan, Sartre and Foucault all require You to read Their Predecessors to properly understand Them.

>>6917251
That is not true at all.

>>6917243
A knowledge of preceding texts isn't necessary, but it's good to have an arsenal when approaching something as difficult as the Phenomenology of Spirit. If you read Phenomenology without context you could put literally any words into Hegel's mouth.

>>6917255
That's the problem with obscurantism.

>>6915045
Just confess that you bought these yourself

>>6917255
All works of philosophy are interpretive. Regardless of the amount of knowledge a person has.

>>6917280
Yeah, mathematical and logical formulae are so interpretative.

wittgenstein on teaching the history of philosophy.

>>6917297
Of course they are.

>>6917280
I mean, I'm all for the death of the author...but Hegel is constantly referencing big name philosophers without explicitly naming them, and doing such crazy dances with their ideas that the interpretation needs some knowledge behind it. He uses Kant's terminology to take a dig at Kant, without mentioning Kant's name or his work once. There's some common knowledge assumed, and it has nothing to do with stifling interpretation.

>>6917303
Retard.

>>6917311
Interpretation is a subjective practice, you can't measure it's value in any sort of objective manner.

>>6917320
Sorry to see you go.

>>6917320

>>6917328
>>6917333
>maths is subjective
I guess the theory of relativity is privileged, too?

>>6917328
I don't even know what this is supposed to mean. I'm not talking about the value of interpretation at all. I'm talking about a philosopher whose philosophy is about the development of philosophy. It should not be an argument that history is necessary for reading Hegel of all people.

>>6917336
It's an interpretation.

>>6917339
A work of philosophy is an interpretation.

>>6917348
I know people who can shrink you.

>>6917348
Prove it.

>>6917356
Sorry to see you go.

>>6917361
Through an interpretation an interpretive theory developed.

>>6917348
I'm sorry, I thought we were having a conversation.

>>6917368
That's not a proof.

>>6917372
It's an interpretation, which is all the proof anyone can give you.

>>6917373
How do you know that is true?

>>6917374
It's my interpretation that it is true.

>>6917078
>a more perfect language than the ones we use already to communicate can ever come to exist
Please read Philosophical Investigations again

>>6917384
PI is baloney.
>>6917381
You can't prove it, therefore I am right to believe your statement is not true.

>>6917392
You are right only in your interpretation.

>>6917394
Prove it.

>>6917412
My interpretation is the only proof I need or can give.

>>6917417
No, you need to prove it.

>>6917419
My interpretation is the proof.

>>6917427
No

>>6917448
Yes

>>6917465
No, lrn2science

this thread is pathetic. the only funny guy was the one with the pics of laughing politicians (me). happy birthday, op.

>>6917448
>>6917465
2 autodidacts that wish they knew logic, fighting

yawn; go read a textbook or two, you two

>>6917481
What science?

>>6917212
>Do they expect to just be able to walk in and instantly understand everything without any effort?

The internet makes amateurs and dilettantes feel like experts.

>>6917489
Sorry to see you go.

>>6917490
Science, bitch.

>>6917074
>sung tongs or strawberry jam are next on the vinyl get list.


>>6917097
>exactly this.
Wanted something physical for a change.


>>6917162
Thanks annon, Mom said almost the same thing

>>6917162
Thanks annon, Mom said the same thing at dinner.

>>6917165
Plan to finish meditations and Prometheus rising tonight so I can start on the rest of the pile

>>6917171
>He's reading stuff he wont really understand just so he can be smug / pretentious.

Again, Projecting much friendo?


>>6917178
implying I haven't
>linguistic turn will ever be over


>>6917201
Thanks anon, books make great gifts.


>>6917202
>>a-autism!! You are not the Real Human Experience!!!

fucking topkek


>>6917212
I enjoy books, fiction books count, and there are some good ones.

>muh prose
>muh Bildungsroman

>>6917212
>Meanwhile philosophers go about understanding reality, language, morality, consciousness etc.. etc..

Sure they do buddy.
>great fiction authors dont touch on the same subjects in their works.

>>6917230
this threads great.
>all these butt mad Kant shills.


>>6917243
Nothing is stand alone...

>>6917276

>pic related

Who would do that, who go on the internet and lie about things like that?


>>6917297
They are. Read some GEB

>>6917320
>so anus angry

>>6917328
This.


>>6917483
Thanks annon, it was a great day.

>>6917491
>The internet makes amateurs and dilettantes feel like experts.

>Dunning–Kruger effect is strong everywhere.


Don't feed the trolls kiddos. Ill post a pic of the lobster tail and next.

>>6917659

>>6917685
how the fuck can you eat that much

also

>literature

>>6917685
yummy

happy birthday friend!!

>>6917704
>how the fuck can you eat that much

I like to run.
>have to put down about 3000 cals a day.

We also had
>calamari, and prosciutto wrapped mozzarella
>lobster mac, wild mushrooms and some greens.

>>6917718
Thanks annon! :D

>being 30yo
>attention whoring as if you were 15
>on 4chan

>>6917727
that's a big meal

>>6917744

>for you

>>6917741
also, i think your parents should give you a bit of the attention you come here to get, even if that means less money spent on gifts.

>>6917746
:^)
you seem like a nice guy OP, enjoy those books

>>6917741
>>6917750

>projecting so hard

Oh Friendo, is something upsetting you?
Do you want to talk about it?


>>6917764
Thanks annon, I will. :D

>>6917659

>burning through Prometheus Rising so you can move on to other books
>not taking your time, thinking about what you read and doing the exercises so you can directly experience and thus internalize the concepts

Why bother?

>>6916895

>>6917685

That steak look crazy overcooked

>thinking Aurelius and RAW are worth reading and Kant isn't
>listening to Animal Collective
full pleb

Prometheus Rising seems like a good book if you want to be dysfunctional and weird

>>6917481
>logical positivism

I bet you believe that a person can't justifiably say he holds two conflicting beliefs

>>6917871
Think its the lighting, the steak was great.


>>6918618

Kant sucks.

Anco is fantastic.

>Thanks for the great post though


>>6918649
>if you want to be dysfunctional and weird

My greatest ambitions in life really...


>>6917078
Math is not the perfect language.
>All code has bugs.
This has been a fun birthday thread, Thanks everyone. :D

>>6918649

why mate?

>>6920061
>Kant Sucks
>Proceeds to purchase Phenomenology of Spirit and Being and Time

Wut.

>>6920061
>he's actually a walking meme

>>6915946
>"something I can impress lit with!"
>gets the satanic verses
>yfw

>>6920108
>"purchase"

>all these books were gifts.

and why read Kant when he just gets blow the fuck out by Hume?

>All this Kant shilling, no real discussion on philosophy

>>6920918
aren't we all?

>>6915946
>>6920923
>I would get books to impress teenagers on a taiwanese basket weaving forum.

.

>>6920061
>>6921954
You're right that Kant sucks but you're not right that he isn't worth reading.

Happy birthday OP

>>6917178
>The linguistic turn is over.
tell me more about this I'm genuinely curious

ITT;
>i also tried reading those books
>didn't understand shit due to autism
>didn't get em for free, spend food money for em
>not my bday
>come to anonymous board to whine
>inb4 it's just b8

>>6915045
Did you actually ask your family to get these books for you / hinted at them or did they get them off their own volition?