/lit/ - Literature

>>6862162
>Pic related

Education and the Significance of Life p. 70

It is because we are nationalists, ready to defend our sovereign States, our beliefs and acquisitions, that we must be perpetually be armed. Property and ideas have become more important to us than human life, so there is constant antagonism and violence between ourselves and others. By maintaining the sovereignty of our country, we are destroying our sons; by worshiping the State, which is but a projection of ourselves, we are sacrificing our children to our own gratification. Nationalism and sovereign governments are he causes and instruments of war.

>>6862174
Thanks for the rec.

Is this a criticism of right wing ideals? If not, what makes it "right wing"?

In the OP, I wasn't necessarily asking for books criticizing nationalism, I was wondering if there were any books that were right wing but also critical of nationalism.

We really need to expand the /lit/ wiki so that we can stop having all of these recommendations for newfags who don't read threads.

>>6862189
>In the OP, I wasn't necessarily asking for books criticizing nationalism, I was wondering if there were any books that were right wing but also critical of nationalism.

Oh! No, Krishnamurti is not for you then. My apologies. However, you should still consider reading him.

>>6862193
Oh, I've already ordered it after reading about it, lol. Education is one of my interests as it's a field I may be getting into one day.

>>6862192
I've read the wiki and couldn't seem to find anything like I was looking for. That's why I made the thread.

>>6862162
>like this that also argue against nationalism, or is nationalism just an intrinsic part of right wing ideology?
Nationalism for western countries that weren't Germany was a liberal idea. See the French Revolution. Marxists historians love their jacobins, but early on it was the forgotten gironde that was the important faction and those were liberal Nationalists. Initially the reactionary ideas were anti-nationalistic, since nationalism was mostly fake and rationalistic, which means non-organic. It was mostly due to Hegel that conservatism was married to nationalism. Celine and Kierkegaard can be described as anti-nationalist right-wingers. You can read Evola and Erik von Kuehnelt-Leddihn if you want right-wing anti-nationalism. Nietzsche was also of this kind, since we has muh empire, not muh Nation-State.

>>6862162
>Also, are there any good books like this that also argue against nationalism, or is nationalism just an intrinsic part of right wing ideology?

Arend'ts "The Human Condition" offers a pretty good conservative critique of nationalism. According to her nationalism is society serving the function of a surrogate family after the proper boundaries between the public and private realms have been destroyed

If you consider libertarians, minarchists and anarcho communists to be right wing you can find a lot of them who are anti nationalistic and believe in stuff like open borders

Some monarchist political philosophy is anti nationalistic

>>6862224
Anarcho capitalists, fuck

>>6862258
>>6862257
why is the "new right" so fucking pathetic?
these are literally effeminate pagans ranting at clouds, they have no connection to european ideals whatsoever

I'm not a rightist, btw, I just think that the old right was somewhat better than the new one, which is literal shit

Did the'shima like any aspect of rightwing thought other than nationalism?

>>6862266
>Paganism
>No connection to european ideals

Not all are pagan anyway, you're speaking out of your ass.

>>6862269
>implying western christianity and the enlightenment isn't what sets europe apart from the pagan east
europe is literally a shit without rationalism

>>6862266
>>6862272
Christianity, which began as merely an obscure Oriental cult — a cult which has absolutely nothing in common with the spiritual homeland of the White man: ancient Greece.

Where exactly did you get that anyone advocates against european nationalism?

>>6862162

Is this a >>>/pol/ thread pretending to be a >>>/lit/ thread? I can't tell anymore, /po/tards are getting good at trolling us.

>>6862275
>implying the development of christianity wasn't heavily influenced by greek philosophy, to the point where aristotle was almost the official philosopher of the church
also
>greece
>white

>>6862279

BEEP BOOP DISSIDENT SPOTTED

RIGHT WING LITERATURE IS NOT LITERATURE

DISPENSING EQUALITY SERUM

>>6862279
I'm asking for literature about political topics.

Are we supposed to start reporting all threads that aren't on fiction books?

>>6862288
If they're not leftist or non political? Of course.

>>6862288

I just don't know anymore man... I just don't know anymore.

>>6862279
Rightist threads aren't the same as /pol/ threads.

Edmund burke, reflections on a revolution in France.

/lit/ isn't patrician enough, they even have some dumbass graphic for reactionary /lit/ and right-wing /lit/ and none of them have heard of this book. You have to have gone to a top 50 college in the US and never worked as a wagecuck to have read it.

>>6862300
Is any job a wagecuck? I don't get what you're saying with that

>>6862300
Fuck off, anyone with a cursory knowledge of Romanticism has read Burke.
Usually at a pre-university level too since schools love teaching the sublime and beautiful

He just isn't very good

>>6862306
Maybe I misunderstood the term; my parents paid for college, housing, etc. until I got an internship, graduated, and got a $70,000/yr job. In other words, I have never learned how to work the toaster oven at subway.

>>6862314
Why is that a prerequisite to know about that book?

>>6862314
Literally a pretentious spoiled babby.

I'm not a leftist but your kind of people is just pathetic, weakness disguised as anything but.

>>6862314
I'm unemployed and I've read burke, stop deluding yourself

>>6862314
I work a minimum wage job in order to pay for school, gas, housing, etc.

What makes you different than me?

>>6862322
mommy and daddy

oops sorry I meant STRONG RIGHT WING PRINCIPLES

>>6862322
His eternal diaper

>>6862326
This always confused me about /lit/.

I thought right wingers were traditionally against systems like welfare, and yet a lot of self-proclaimed right wingers here take pride in living off their parents and the government.

>>6862329

>I thought right wingers were traditionally against systems like welfare,

>I only know modern American politics

>>6862334
My knowledge is limited, that's why I'm asking for recommendations.

>>6862329
A settled and stagnant hereditary plutocracy is indistinguishable from an aristocracy, except that an aristocracy has noblesse oblige.

>>6862295
Has /lit/ ever messaged the admins requesting to change /lit/ to /aca/ (academia), or at the very least make /lit/ more inclusive to politics and religion?

As far as I know the only other boards to discuss these topics are /pol/ and /b/ and I'm not about to attempt to have an intelligent conversation with 14 year olds.

>>6862197
That's precisely why we need to expand the wiki.

>>6862329
They're fine with abusing it for their personal benefit, they just don't want to pay into it themselves

>>6862192
>>6862367
People just want to know what lit is actually reading and what it considers the best books in a field/genre to be.

People want to engage with people on /lit/. That's why they're here. No one wants to engage with a wiki and if they wanted to engage with a text they would be doing that.

>>6862348
just make a /pol2/ and send them all there so we can talk about good writers

>>6862348
God no, make a history board or something for those people and then we can go back to actually talking about literature

Evola speaks pretty brutally against nationalism and is still extremely right wing so check him out.

>>6862279
If anything people reading posts as retarded as yours are more likely to sympathize with them imo

>>6862279
>us

The smallest common denominator of right-wing ideology is that people should not be treated equally because by nature they are not equal.
Nationalism, Fascism, Racism are just subtypes. For instance, Nietzsche argued against nation-states, but he sure did not argue against inequality.

Here's a chart

The first thing you read should be Ortega y Gasset's Revolt of the Masses.

Carlyle's Hero Worship, Mishima's Sun & Steel, and one of the non-pussy versions of Storm of Steel, if you like elitism a lot. Maybe Harrison Bergeron too, if you hate SJWs.

If you're racially / anti-immigration inclined, try Camp of the Saints by Raspail.

If you like fascism and Volkism, anything from Gustave le Bon to Sorel to end boss Heidegger would be good starting points.

>>6862268
Mishima had the whole fascist death worship thing going on. The only things worth doing are things that either temporarily kill your individual self, affirm life in the face of death, or risk physical death outright.

>>6862192
>>6862279
You people are way worse than those who ask for genuine book tips.

This should keep you busy for a while:

Robert Michels -- Political Parties
Carl Schmitt -- The Crisis of Parliamentary Democracy
Vilfredo Pareto -- Treatise on General Sociology, The Rise and Fall of the Elites and The Transformation of Democracy

>>6862329
Right wingers are against welfare. They'd rather have the people who are fortunate enough to be born into a wealthy family get the best opportunities in life. Then they make it sound like the poor and unfortate are just lazy when they've been given everything in life by mommy and daddy. There's this growing notion that income is somehow linear to how hard you've worked in life even though the majority of wealthy people have inherited their wealth.

>>6863663
>because by nature they are not equal.

Can you elaborate on this? Is this determined by race, geographic location, wealth, etc?

What is this idea when put into practice? Why should we not at least give everyone the same opportunities and let nature run its course if this is indeed true?

>>6863815
>Is this determined by race, geographic location, wealth, etc
This is exactly the difference from one right-wing ideology from another.

>>6862300
>they even have some dumbass graphic for reactionary /lit/ and right-wing /lit/ and none of them have heard of this book

It's right there under "nonfiction" you stupid nigger >>6863670

>>6863730
Why do poor people have such an inferiority complex. It's not my fault that my parent's aren't drop kicks. What am I meant to do refuse the advantages offered to me? If you're going to be angry go yell at your shitty parents who brought you into this world even though they couldn't afford to have you.

>>6862162

Mishima used militaristic nationalism to cover up his own personal insecurities

>>6863730
Materialists and reactionary conservatives that hide their class interests behind a veil of temperance are hardly representative of the ideological right outside of the Anglosphere.
If anything, nationalists are extremely fond of social security nets - for their own people.

At least I don't see the problem in the system itself but in the way it has been corrupted to feed and house foreign enclaves that will leave no leave a single good deed go unavenged. Granted, it's better to have an organic community with relatives helping you and you looking after their heritage in return, but we all recognise that it's not always possible for all of us and the weakest have to be helped.

>>6863730
Materialists and reactionary conservatives that hide their class interests behind a veil of temperance are hardly representative of the ideological right outside of the Anglosphere.
If anything, nationalists are extremely fond of social security nets - for their own people.

At least I don't see the problem in the system itself but in the way it has been corrupted to feed and house foreign enclaves that will not let a single good deed go unavenged. Granted, it's better to have an organic community with relatives helping you and you looking after their heritage in return, but we all recognise that it's not always possible for all of us and the weakest have to be helped.

>>6863670
>Storm of Steel
>Fiction

wut?

>>6864674
I'm not poor.