/lit/ - Literature

What's his real name?

That's a really banal notjon, really. The Noble Lie is discussed in Plato.

He's one of those edgy libertarian reactionaries who can't decide between monarchy and anarcho-capitalism, right?

>>6856604
He needs an editor, which is true for just about any writer. His problem is he writes (or wrote) prolifically, and in very long blog posts. He is incapable of being terse. Maybe he should write a self-published book that ties together everything he has to say.

>>6856621
memebug xDD DDD

>>6856621

He might as well just call himself Socrates Nigga.

>>6856653

That is exactly what he is.

>>6856653
>He's one of those edgy libertarian reactionaries who can't decide between monarchy and anarcho-capitalism, right?

Yes. It seems characteristic of the technocratic bay area conservative types. I'm not sure where he's from though. They're too spurgy to personally invest too much in the metaphysics of culture and identity. They really just want the world to be ruled by more physically imposing and charismatic versions of themselves. It's a superhero fantasy, even if I agree with many of his observations.

>>6856604
He reads and recommends a lot of very good books that are currently underrated.

HE IS A JEW, AND A ZIONIST; IF YOU HAVE THE REQUIRED COMPREHENSION, JUST THAT WILL TELL YOU EVERYTHING THAT YOU NEED TO KNOW REGARDING HIM, AND HIS IDEOLOGY.

A man who wishes to be king. I can't say I'd want him on any throne.

>>6856859
Man I thought you were gone

>>6856621
Curtis Yarvin.

Here's an old video of him from his beatnik days:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6aa2UJX_EpQ

Unqualified Reservations is rewarding reading, essentially what allowed me to think outside a collectivized, democratic paradigm and examine my beliefs. In terms of "right wing" online community, he's the only one I feel brings something new to the table, instead of the consistent defensiveness and plebeian fascism of others.

>>6856859
what's the deal with this tripfag?

>>6856604
his techno-libertarian background leaks through into his neoreactionary writing and sullies it

>>6856828
examples?

what kind of fucking name is moldbug
might as well name himself creeprot or slimerat

>>6857451
Tried to be worse than the usual but, being too unremarkable to be truly annoying, they have to full retard in order to get their replies from new chaps like you.

>>6856604
It's been a while since I read any of his stuff, but as I recall he justifies a nonsensical worldview with terrible history and insists on making his own silly names for everything, himself included. He has no actual understanding of the strengths, weaknesses and limitations of hierarchical control, preferring to justify advocacy for hierarchy with thematic nonreasons. More obviously, he has no actual understanding of why democracy has been massively successful, since he's blinkered himself into believing it hasn't been.

>>6859758
>democracy has been massively successful

>>6859984
if there was a monarch who would quarter people for posting those stupid sad frogs it woudl be better than democracy tbh

>>6856604
He's really not all that interesting. Everything he has to say has already been said by the great reactionaries and classical liberals in much more eloquent terms.

He came up with a silly stage name and uses it to peddle his derivative pop political science. He is basically the Neil DeGrasse Tyson of conservatism.

>>6859984
>democracy hasn't been massively successful
You are deeply, truly historically illiterate.

>>6857448
This basically.
Another problem is that people mistake neoreaction for "what moldbug said". It isn't, it's grown beyond that, and moldbug isn't a consistent writer anyway.

Now, I'm not a neoreactionary, but they are a mainstay of the alternative right, which I am deeply involved in, so I see them more as allies than anything else. People dismiss them because of their surface aesthetics (purple prose, tenuous connection to libertarianism), or because the posts are too long for them to absorb, but for a certain kind of liberal intellectual, that is actually the perfect kind of signaling needed to get them interested in a different political philosophy.

>>6860036
Yeah ugh it's like so problematic tbh

im getting Coriolanus Crimsonborn as a pseudonym tbh

>>6860082
lol y'all need to read http://www.amazon.com/Nietzschean-Defense-Democracy-Experiment-Postmodern/dp/0812692969

For more information on the subject.

tl;dr
Nietszche was better at it than Mencius Moldbug

>>6860056
>alternative right

What are other examples? I am very interested.

>>6860082
So tell me about these failures of democracy.
Like actual, old-time catastrophic failures, >1 million deaths in a country from internal causes.

>>6860122
dude, have you ever felt this conversation occured 2000 years ago? If so then you're right. You should read up on it before posting please.

>>6860127
>Can't find any actual support in history

>>6860122
Maoist China. The US war on drugs. ETC.

>>6856666
>Not Aristitle Gook
>Not Nagarajuna Kebab

>>6860122
Degeneracy.

>>6860122
The Native American genocide comes to mind.
>We voted that this isn't your land anymore, enjoy generations of alcoholism and devastating poverty while we trivialize your culture and pollute your sacred homes XD

>>6860165
>not JIDF Krishnamurti

>>6860173
Also the white genocide too

>>6860165
Wittgenstein Dunecoon

>>6860186
And the Palestinian genocide, if we're counting Israel as a democracy
And Nagasaki and Hiroshima
And Dresden

>>6857451
rei is the same person as twinshia and the guy who posts all those chloe grace mortez threads with gibberish disguised as philosophy and one unique poster.

he used to be kitty and was probably behind other tripfags who he develops personalities for and tries to incorporate his characters into board culture, as though he were Kierkegaard.

it's probably an autistic dude with an obsession with /lit/ Rei is an all caps fascist who has an edgy tumblr blog that talks about killing his mother or something.

Dark enlightenment? More like the dork enlightenment lmao

>>6860145
Maoist China was a dictatorship. US war on drugs is legit.
>>6860173
>It counts as internal if we claim the land
>WW2 was just a big German civil war

>>6860122
Social atomization>>6860173

>>6860200
mao? more like ayy lmao

>>6860196
You're reaching if you're counting atrocities as internal failures. But if you want to start comparing lists of atrocities, democracy's going to win there too.

>>6860198
I liked kitty tbh

>>6860202
I was trying to make a joke about how communism thinks it would be democratic.

>>6860211
Atrocities are failures of democracy by democracy's own standards. Majority rule necessarily has adverse effects on the minority. In foreign relations, it isn't even a majority's will being acted on but the will of a majority, or more often a coalition of the powerful, in one state. Democracies that commit war crimes are failures.

>>6860235
Hiroshima, Nagasaki and Dresden don't even total to a single million. Direct killings in the Indian Wars were also likely under a million; disease did most of the work. Show me the planning and infrastructure failures that killed over a million law-abiding citizens in any modern democracy.
>The Irish potato famine and fuck all else

>>6860186
>>6860171
>>6860205
>muh boogies

>>6860262
Eh, I dunno if that means you can just wave them off like you're trying to do.

>>6860202
The Native Americans literally lived inside the borders of the US and had to answer to the US government, which didn't acknowledge their statehood and hasn't at any point since the writing of the Constitution. The Trail of Tears was forced relocation from one US territory to another.

>>6860284
Me neither, I do think they were atrocities. History has yet to produce the system without atrocities, though, and democracy has a far better record than the rest.

>>6860297
There's more to be said for serfdom than you want to admit.

>>6860303
No, there isn't. Certainly not in terms of resource distribution or resilience to catastrophe. Work hours maybe.

>>6860295

But darling, you don't write treaties with peoples whose nationhood you don't acknowledge.

>>6860303
For a cuckold fetishist perhaps.

>>6860318
Are you saying the Native Americans have, at some point since the emergence of the American federal government, been recognized as a nation worthy or capable of statehood by that federal government?

>>6860235
>Atrocities are failures of communism by communism's own standards
>Atrocities are failures of fascism by fascism's own standards
>Atrocities are failures of feudalism by feudalism's own standards

no political system starts of saying 'well, time to kill loads of people'

>>6860122
Decolonialization

All in all Moldbug is pretty good, but to get the total picture of what's wrong with the modern world you have to read him with Marx - the cathedral and capital are two sides of the same coin. This is also why MM's theories of an ideal state break down, for two reasons - they assume that an economically rational ruler won't profit by ruining society, and they assume that people are capable of even that pretty low level of rationality.

The central value of MM, like most neoreactionaries, is that he's unafraid of the taboos which control modern discourse, and unimpressed by the mechanisms of control which manufacture public consent for the bourgeois-progressive elite. For this reason alone, neoreaction's growth is a great step forward for inquiry - showing that, even in the West, the internet can be used as a tool of dissent instead of a megaphone for the ruling ideology.

>>6860351
>The central value of MM, like most neoreactionaries, is that he's unafraid of the taboos which control modern discourse, and unimpressed by the mechanisms of control which manufacture public consent for the bourgeois-progressive elite. For this reason alone, neoreaction's growth is a great step forward for inquiry - showing that, even in the West, the internet can be used as a tool of dissent instead of a megaphone for the ruling ideology.
Yeah and my problem with Moldbug is none of his ideas are interesting and he seems to ride mostly on his ability to piss progressives off and make others think that they are radical for questioning some popular idea. Whats worse is the same dame thing happens with almost every radical ideology on the internet.

>>6860394
>dame
I agree with you tho

>>6856604

Shit tbh.

Just another neocon catholic only he uses techno-fascism to "update" reactionary movements.


Nick Land on the other hand is GOAT and one of the best living philosophers.

Accelerationism is the only way to the future.

>>6860637
>Catholic
Isn't he a Jew?

>>6859138

Origin and Progress of the American Rebellion was an interesting take on the events of the early American Revolution from a Loyalist perspective, they even accepted Locke's framework that rebellion against a sovereign is justified.

A South-side view of Slavery is similar, shedding light on, well, slavery from a perspective you don't read about in modern times, and no, it's not an apology for slavery.

The Bow of Ulysses is an old-school travelogue, as is Life and Liberty in America; both are valuable pieces of history told by intelligent and observant people.

And Carlyle is probably the most underrated English man of letters, currently.

>>6860394
Questioning orthodoxy is literally the only requirement for radicalism.

>>6856604
>internet rationalists

>>6861867
>Moldbug
>rational in any way

>>6861867
this pic never fails to fill me with delight.

>>6856604
His poetry is surprisingly good.

His political writing is the stupidest shit. It's like he thinks he's incredibly radical and heretical and edgy by believing everything he hears on TV news, then drawing the opposite philosophical conclusions from it.

>>6857451
remission is only so.

>>6860263
>muh stirner-tier ignorance

>>6856604
That quote is really ironic coming from someone who thinks monarchy is a better political system than democracy, seeing as one of the defining characteristics of monarchy is that the population have to be sycophants to another human being.

Talk about "political uniform".

>>6856604
>What does /lit/ think of Mencius Moldbug?
Most long-winded and pretentious way to spout provincial 'libertarian' platitudes evar.

Americans, I don't even...

>>6862888
Tyranny of the one versus tyranny of the majority. The majority is ignorant enough that you've got a decent chance your 'one' will be superior. But when it isn't... that's when things go bad.