/lit/ - Literature

Literally any pop history about Nazis. I once read a book about Hitler which was almost totally autist spaghetti stories from his youth. It was terrible

>>6821435
...no, not "literally any pop history about Nazis." I'm looking for quality and obscurity.

Anyone who actually knows what they're talking about want to chime in?

>>6821419
The Nazis didn't do that much fucked up stuff. Only Dr. Mengele did anything truly depraved but even then he did so in the pursuit of knowledge and medicine. Stop believing everything you hear in the super anti-german, pro-jew TV shows.

Watch The Greatest Story Never Told.

>>6821438
>Anyone who actually knows what they're talking about want to chime in?

>>6821439
Do you even know who the person in the OP pic is? Fucking retard.

>>6821439
Kill yourself

>>6821439
>anti-German
>pro-Jew

>>6821419
Primo Levi, Raul Hilberg, Ian Kershaw, Mommsen

>>6821419
>>6821476
and Minima Moralia, post-war Adorno in general, also Celan

It was mostly typhus
The lampshade stuff was just cartoony nonsense.

they dindu nuffin
they was a good nation

>>6821419
If this is a man by Primo Levi is good insight on concentration camps. It's very objective.

>>6821435
>I once read a book about Hitler which was almost totally autist spaghetti stories from his youth.
It got worse. When he visited Venice in 1934 Mussolini couldn't get a word in the edgeways. Hee ruined a boat trip by constantly talking about the horrible jews. What a bad taste!

>>6821439
>Watch The Greatest Story Never Told.
Does it adress the pre-war atrocities the nazis commited? Does it adress the atrocities the nazis commited in the Salò republic alone?

The French wrote a few novels around Nazis - try The Kindly Ones. I remember reading a book with the "diaries" of the guy who basically invented the gas chamber, but I can't find the title right now.

As for non-fiction, get Death Dealer - it's the English translation of Rudolf Höss' diaries (Auschwitz commandant). Extremely harsh read because it's so dry.

Hannah Arendt wrote "Eichmann in Jerusalem", a journalistic account of Eichmann's process in Isreal.

Victor Klemperer's diaries are published too, I read them about ten years ago - there's an abridged version AFAIK. He was a jew and a decorated hero of WW1, with an Aryan wife, so while he was constantly being attacked, lost his job, was forced to work on the streets etc. he wasn't deported.

There are a few non-fiction book on "minor" side events such as Browning's Ordinary Men, which chronicles the events around a special voluntary (!) reserve battalion of "normal people" involved in the holocaust.

Will post more when I can think of more.

>>6821435
Nazi have been and will always be, autistic spergs.

>>6821487
>muh industrial thyphus
According to the 3rd Geneva convention of 1929 POWs must be treated humanely. An interpretation of that is that you can't allow POWs to die from stoppable epidemics.

It doesn't adress the civilian population. But I can see no support in the any Geneva convention for the concentration camps of the nazis.

>>6821523
One book I'd love to read, together with Goebbel's diaries, is Mit Goebbels zum Ende by Wilfred von Oven. Clive James compares him to the stupid nazi of The Producers.

>>6821419
Reminder the allies did even worse things during the war. Both sides were equally depraved. I'm sick of popular media acting like it was a fight between good and evil.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GMCOKNCwHmQ

>>6821523
>Hannah Arendt wrote "Eichmann in Jerusalem", a journalistic account of Eichmann's process in [Palestine]
fixed that for you, mein Freund

>>6821560
Funny how it's the genocidal maniacs that always think they're the real sufferers.

>>6821560
The allies did terrible things to people who deserved it, that's the difference.

>>6821439
Take your bullshit elsewhere.

>>6821561
:>)

>>6821548
Me too, it's been on my to-read list since reading James' Cultural Amnesia.

Albert Speer (the "main architect") also published his memoirs in 1969. There's an interesting story in Reich-Ranicki's memoirs in which he's invited to the book release by the German intelligentsia and is extremely offended, IIRC thinking about going so he can punch Speer.
Lastly, NYRB recently published Diary of a Man in Despair - it's the diary of a far-right German who's completely against the Nazis (comparing them with the Goths).

>>6821439
Who isn't anti-german these days?

>>6821570
That's the exact justification the nazis used. Thanks for proving my point.

>>6821582
Yeah, but they were wrong lol, are you against anyone being punished for anything ever?

>>6821570
>firebombing innocents
>nuking innocents
>thousands of dead babies
>deserved it

>>6821584
>it's ok when we commit genocide, because we're da good guys!

>>6821588
>firebombing nazis

FTFY

>>6821569
Yeah, fucking crybabies. Has always been.

>>6821589
The Allies killed civilians but they were never attempting to wipe out entire populations, which is what genocide entails.

>>6821578
ZVAB has van Oven's Finale Furioso for 20€-40€, too much for a joke-buy :(

>>6821608
I guess that makes it ok then.

>>6821630
Do you think you can wage war without killing civilians?

>>6821608
>You must understand that this war is not against Hitler or National Socialism, but against the strength of the German people, which is to be smashed once and for all, regardless of whether it is in the hands of Hitler or a Jesuit priest.. --Winston Churchill

Hmmmm

>>6821637
If only we'd succeed in doing that, they wouldn't have got the chance to destroy europe again.

>OP asks for a book
>/pol/ and anti-/pol/ pissing contest ensues

Typical thread tbh

>>6821630
>>6821637
And then we can go back to the poor little misunderstood Oskar-meme?

>>6821636
Hitler didn't want to bomb civilians. In fact he did everything he could to avoid doing so. He was forced to in retaliation to the allied bombing of German civilians.

>>6821650
He was cool with the industrialised slaughter of civilians though

>>6821589
>it's ok when we commit genocide
Wait, when did the Allies commit genocide?

>>6821650

>anyone implying that any kind of nazi apologia is acceptable, respectable or grounded in reality
kill yourself tbh

>>6821650
>Hitler didn't want to
Oh, give me a fucking break! When the allies was bombing Germany like a clockwork, Hitler did not order more production of fighter planes. He instead ordered production of more bombers, because defensive warfare is baad, mkay?

>>6821657
when did Willem Dafoe get so old

>>6821650

Read about this.

>>6821662
Yeah, firebombing entire cities and nuking the Japanese was so much more respectable.

>>6821685
Yes, why is that so difficult for you to understand

>>6821693
Because there was nothing respectable about the way the allies treated the Germans.

>>6821419
The Investigation (Die Ermittlung) by Peter Weiss is a play that's mostly a collection of straightforward facts taken directly from the Auschwitz trials.

>>6821709

There's nothing respectable about war dude, and the Germans should have remembered this before they started one.

>>6821685
Nazi time machine reasoning:

In 10 years, they will firebomb our cities. Better gotta go fast and round up my political enemies into the Dachau concentration camp!

>>6821656
https://youtu.be/GMCOKNCwHmQ?t=1h20m1s

The nazis never successfully committed genocide either.

>>6821709
>implying that the Allies really got into high gear killing civilians *after* their victories

>>6821728
>opening credits
>the nazi symbol "black sun"

Anyone ever read "The Cunning of History"?

>>6821712
>Auswitch trials
You mean the Numenburg Hanging Trials?
There were no facts in those trials.

>>6821750
I linked the last ten minutes for a reason. It's not like the mass rape and murder of the Germans is remotely revisionist.

>>6821759
just stop posting, no-one believes your unfounded bla and your wacky youtube links

Except those Nazis swung high and that's a fact brother.

>>6821578
>James' Cultural Amnesia.
I'd say it's the GOAT of the livres de chevets. Also, I like the two chapters on the two resistans fighters that Sartre a shit kinda swept under the rug.

>>6821759
>>6821685
>>6821656
>>6821650
>>6821630
>>6821560

>>6821602
The British firebombed Dresden killing thousands of unarmed women and children, even though the city was of no military significance. You probably believe that all Iraqis are terrorists too. Please kill yourself.

>>6821759
see >>6821776

>>6821764
>invade and destroy peoples countries
>cry when they give a tiny little bit of that back to you

>>6821764
>It's not like the mass rape and murder of the Germans is remotely revisionist.
No, but with a nazi symbol it is.

>>6821765
That was literally my only post ITT, but keep being a retarded sheep.
>>6821780
>>6821784
Idiots

>>6821785
>a tiny bit
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rape_during_the_occupation_of_Germany

Even Nazis wouldn't stoop so low.

>>6821780
Agreed, Cultural Amnesia was my favorite book read in 2014.

There's also the beautiful Die Wunderbaren Falschmünzer on German literature from 1800 to 1930 mentioning and explaining about 300 people and 1000 books, but it's only available in German :(

>>6821781
Bombing Dresden was pointless. But check this post: >>6821785

>>6821795
>Hitler dindu noffing

>>6821795
>but keep being a retarded sheep.
>pic of sonic meme.tiff

>>6821806
>l Die Wunderbaren Falschmünzer on German literature
Thanks for the tip, Anon! :3

>>6821807
But he didn't, he was just the 20th century Napoleon.
>>6821809
Epic

>>6821541
>But I can see no support in the any Geneva convention for the concentration camps of the nazis.
How about for Japanese Americans?

>>6821813

Do you think he was crying when he blew his brains out?

>>6821781
Terrorism against the German population was a legitimate tactic. Fact.

>>6821813
Back in my days, trolling had poise.

>>6821813
>he was just the 20th century Napoleon

ayyyy, hitler is well known for his military genius.

>>6821822
I think he was sad that he never got any dubs.

>>6821832
>Hitler
>genius anything
Ha-ha-ha! He fucking didn't even get the military concept of retreat. Retreat is jokingly called advancing backwards. But it has a point if you're going to regroup and set up a better firing zone etc. That he never understood.

>>6821799
>Even Nazis wouldn't stoop so low.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_crimes_of_the_Wehrmacht#Mass_rapes

>>6821840
People with autism are known to not understand sarcasm.

>>6821851
There's even antinazis who actually believe that he was a military genius.

>>6821650
>Hitler didn't want to bomb civilians

Tell that to the Poles and the Russians

KL - Nikolaus Wachsmann
Bloodlands - Timothy Snyder (has bonus chapters on the Soviets too)

>>6821816
that was also against international law but no one got that butthurt over it probably because 1. they weren't death camps, 2. they got overshadowed by the war efforts of the US against Japan, notably the bombs, 3. and they afaik got some retribution afterwards, the interned and the country.
the German concentration camps were much worse in both scale and tragedy.

>>6821685
not the point tbh
nazis were all a shit; so were the allies.
different ideological standpoints and intentions, though.
war a shit in general tbh.

>>6821728
No, dingus, it doesn't stop being a commitment of genocide if it fails. The Allies didn't target racial/ethnic groups for extermination, the Nazis did. Pull yourself together.

>>6821822
>>6821826
Fuck off
>>6821832
Better than most

>>6821859
They're probably very intelligent historians.

>>6821813
>Comparing Hitler to Napoleon
>Comparing a Bohemian corporal to the best European commander since Belisarius invaded Italy
>Thinks Hitler had anything to do with the successes of Guderian, Manstein, Rommel, Raus or Kleist
>Thinks that a politician who only accomplished in ineffectively meddling with military plans is at all worthy of military renown.
>Why the fuck do wehraboos know nothing about the Third Reich or WW2

The Third Reich had some outstanding military achievements, it's just that the actual people who designed, pulled off and get recognition for those accomplishments aren't Hitler.

Face it, Hitler was just Wilhelm II on acid.

>>6821859
>Hitler
>Military genius
>Knowing this little about Nazi German military operations

Do you even know who Manstein was?

>>6822194
>Napoleon
>best European commander since Belisarius
If you think this you're wrong.

>>6821650
>Hitler didn't want to bomb civilians

The Germans pioneered bombing tactics and methods. From the Spanish Civil War to their loss of air superiority, the Germans bombed civilian areas as a matter of course. You would have to know next to nothing about WW2 to not know that.

>He did everything he could to avoid doing so

Hitler gave zero shits about civilian casualties, enemy or German. In 1945 he flooded the Berlin subways, which were filled with wounded soldiers and sheltering civilians, because he was paranoid about the Soviets using the tunnels. Thousands died, nearly all of them Germans who weren't combatants.

German forces caused significant civilian casualties in the Spanish Civil Wa and later in Poland, in France, in the Netherlands, in Norway, in Denmark, on the Channel Islands, in the Soviet Union, in Italy and plenty when fighting in Germany, on their own soil.

Read a book faggot

>>6821948
Maybe you and hitler wouldn't be so mad if he had been accepted into art school.

>>6822238
Yeah, I was exaggerating tbh, still Napoleon is leagues above a politician like Hitler. If Hitler is a military genius so were Stalin, George W Bush and just about any leader who has overseen a successful invasion.

Curious though, who would you place as the best European commander prior to Napoleon?

>>6822295
Charlemagne?

Maybe Frederick or that swedish guy, Gustav something

>>6822363
Gustav Adolf?

He was pretty damn good.

Personally I'm going to either Suvorov, Jan Zizka or the Duke of Marlborough

If we just say prior to Napoleon, including antiquity, then Alexander the Great, Scipio Africanus, Caesar, Aetius and Belisarius dominate the list