/lit/ - Literature

A Song of Fire and Ice, havn't heard of that One.

>>6819485
Not that you know about.

>>6819485
Harry Potter, Hunger Games, Twilight.

Pretty much any post-Tolkien epic fantasy series makes you life worse because it exists. That there are people who look me in the eye and say Wheel of Time, Mistborn, ASOIAF are enjoyable, let alone good, is bamboozling.

>>6819836
asoiaf is enjoyable I find, even if it isn't good prose.

>>6819836
Is lotr even good? I've heard mixed opinions

>>6821099
Yes but you're gonna get memed soon by people who've never read it.

>>6821099
i'm re-reading it currently and its fucking fantastic. It really makes all other fantasy after it look bad

>>6819836
>Wheel of Time
This shit right here.

>>6819485
Dostoevsky's entire body of work. Mediocre and juvenile writing.

>>6821135
are you saying its bad or good. It gets circlejerked hard on reddit

>>6821140

yeah.. right.. I bet you read it in russian, too, not a shitty translation that loses all the sublties and makes the prose sound horrible. right?

>>6821154
I don't have gripes with the prose, it is notoriously horrendous even in Russian.

>>6821140
You are objectively wrong.

>>6821163

>it is notoriously horrendous even in Russian.

can you elaborate on that? why is it bad, if not for the prose? the characters? the story arch? explain.

have you read it in russian? you kind of dodged my question there.

Why is it that Sci-fi has managed to survive with some decent works now and then, but fantasy died once Tolkien kicked the bucket?

>>6821185
That anon is just trolling but, incidentally, it's true that his prose is nothing special in Russian.

>>6821148
DAE DAE DAE Government = 1984, Andy Weir = genius, The Road = heartbreaking

>>6821276
because Tolkien wrote fantasy better than anyone, so every fantasy author since him has been trying to imitate him and failing. Whereas sci-fi authors seem to be more innovative

>>6821298

I loved his prose personally (really, really old German translation, like the book is almost 90 years old)

Since when was it overrated? It sounds like you're just a dumbass who thinks opinions from Reddit matter.

>>6819485

Ur mom

>>6819485
The fantasy and magical reality elements really weaken it.

>dragon eggs
Immersion broken
>chase these diseased rabid cats and let them claw the shit out of you to learn magic powers
Immersion broken

>>6821312
Black company is nice

>>6821099
>2015
>haven't read LoTR

>>6821330
All Russian, Greek or Latin writing translates to awesome German prose because the German habitually use a very monotonous syntax in writing and translations seem much more alive than native text.
Popular German authors in Russian, on the other hand (Kafka, Musil, Remarque, Feuchwanger, Hesse), are prized exactly because they're so monotonous. It sounds narcotic to the Russian ear. A Hesse doesn't sound natural. It sounds as if you're listening to a fugue.
Dosto is nothing special and should translate extremely well. There are expressions and passages in Leskov and Gogol that I cannot imagine translated right, whereas the only problem in Dostoyevsky is the occasional piece of clothing you do not have in the West. You'd almost say he has been drawing mainly from Russian translations of foreign novels.

LoTR is loved by those that read it as a kid. Nostalgia factor.

Those that read it after modern fantasy tend not to like it so much.

I enjoyed the hobbit but really couldn't finish LoTR.

Asoiaf isn't over rated. It's just been spoilt by people jumping on the band wagon banging on night and day.

>>6819485
/lit/ and the dank maymay nazis

>>6821454
I was the exact same way. Loved the hobbit, could never really get into/ finish LoTR

>dostoevsky
>good writer

sure is undergraduate in here, with every passing day /lit/ becomes more unbearable

>>6821454
Err... I read LoTR as a kid but don't especially love it now, and, not to be a contrarian, but I've also found myself liking it better after having read modern fantasy.

>>6819485
You're asking this question in a universe where 50 shades of grey exists.

>>6819833
No. HP is good. The rest are bland, boring, predictable trash.

Learn the difference instead of grouping everything into one big meme.

>hurr durr HP is aimed at kids so it's YA so it can't be good

>>6821505
le patrician face xd

>>6821841
fuck off back to reddit

>>6822116
He's right though, you're playing the patrician game because you once heard a guy pretending to be Russian trashing Dosto over the internet (or you read Nabokov's oft-copypasted criticisms, which is functionally the same thing), while young Dosto was recognized as a genius by the most patrician literary critic of Russia in his time.

>>6821505
>being this contrarian

you should be embarrassed

>>6821361
Stop reading

>>6819836

>>6819485
that hammer is fucking ridiculous
this picture is supposed to be 'badass' but its just laughable because the strongest man on earth couldn't wield it effectively unless Westeros has figured out aluminum
even then it would be worse than useless one-handed

0.2 seconds after this image: robert gets the hammer around in front of him, gets pulled completely off balance, and has to take all the strength out of his swing just to stay upright.
0.5 seconds after image: Rhaegar trips him, or takes the opportunity to stand and jab at will anywhere on Robert's hammer side, as that hand is completely tied up and the hammer could never be moved fast enough to block anything

>>6819485
dune

>>6819836

ASOIAF is better than Tolkien tbh, precisely because it eschews the good guys versus bad guys narrative Tolkien established. I haven't read the others.

>>6822260
>Asoiaf is better than Tolkien

>>6822307

>implying it isn't

>>6822139
projecting pretty hard there aren't you, there are dozens of mediocre authors who were praised during their lifetimes

>>6822146
>>>/r/books you insipid newfag

>>6822190
Are they good? I've been meaning to read at least the first 2 books of this.
Never been into fantasy but I heard this series is like Berserk so I'm really interested

>>6819485
that shit tolkien wrote

>>6819485

ASOIAF is only overrated due to the TV series, if it wasn't made then it would still be perfectly acceptable to discuss the books on /lit/. The threads before the TV show happened were always pretty amicable and the only serious trolling going on was R+L=J. The TV show fucking ruined everything.

I'm going with Harry Potter, there's nothing remotely interesting about it despite the so called praised world building apparently being one of the finer points to it and it ends in the most cliche unoriginal way possible.

>>6821814
No it's not. Go back to reddit.

>>6822315
>>6822260
ASOIAF could be better than Tolkien if GRRM's prose wasn't so garbage and if he could fucking edit himself or hire a competent editor. The amount of useless garbage information and plotlines that go nowhere in ASOIAF is staggering

>>6819485
Harry Potter?

>>6821769
There's always exceptions. That's just my very general view from a sample size of a dozen people and various random forum comments.

Entirely scientific I'm sure all will agree lol.