/lit/ - Literature

>>6799130
No you need to read at least most of the bible, definitely the new testament before augustine sothat you can form your own opinions and understand he's basing some of his Ideas on Paul's letters and Jesus' words.

being a good Christian is different for everybody, each person possess a personal relationship with Our Lord.

read the bible first, and then if you have to read it again

>>6799145
which books of the new testament? just all of it?

thanks

Any other christbros come here because of the Katie gate?

>>6799130
No, it's heresy.
Yes, if you're a girl, you shut the hell up and do whatever your husband tells you to do. (Unless the church tells her he's a heretic)
Any deviation from this is heresy.

>>6799158
all the gospels, for sure. Acts and romans then if you want some of corinthians and timothy and Thessalonians. There should be annotations in the augustine book that will let you go back and see what parts he references.

>>6799159
what's that?

>>6799184
aren't you a seventh day adventist?

>>6799193
awesome, ty

Im having a bit of trouble with Kirkegaard

he seems to be against foundationalism but how is that differently than starting your system with faith? Does it just mean that there is no foundation but if you align yourself with god then you can get a glimpse of what is absolute?

>>6799201
the screencap that was going around on reddit and here

So can someone here explain to me how free will can coexist with divine preordination?

>>6799201
I'm an ex-Cristian.

>>6799238
God makes the acts free, just like he makes natural acts natural

Or i dont know if youre referring to the predestination of some people to heaven

Not necessarily, but you should definitely read it before reading the OT, and the first OT books you should read are Isaiah, Jeremiah, Psalms and Ezekiel, since those most pertain to the new covenant.

>>6799238
Catholics don't believe that most things are preordained, Calvanists don't, or didn't used to think people have free will. Lutherans think people have free will with everything secular (marriage, money, ect.), but that salvation and damnation are marked ahead of time and there's nothing you can to do to change that.

>>6799245
You never were, tbh, unless you consider Seventh Day Adventists to be Christians, which I wouldn't. They don't even like the Christian holy day, they prefer the Jewish one.

>>6799158

You should read all of it if you want to be well informed.

>>6799253
One school of thought goes; "it's all a part of gods plans" hence predestination.
This is what I was raised in.
Other Christians and secularists believe/lean towards free will

>>6799283
>ect.
Etc.

>>6799283
>You never were, tbh
I was baptized, so I was. Now I "reject" Christ and now am no longer.
>they prefer the Jewish ones.
So did Jesus. You're a heretic, son. You never were Christian.

>>6799321
there are many secularists, even atheists, who support determinism.

>>6799321
>I was baptized, so I was. Now I "reject" Christ and now am no longer.
Being baptized isn't enough to make you a Christian, for your baptism to have legitimacy it has to have the right intent, and since Seventh Day Adventists do not recognize baptism as a sacrament, it didn't.

>So did Jesus. You're a heretic, son. You never were Christian.
No, he didn't. In fact he and his disciples got reprimanded for breaking the Sabbath, and he retorted that it was made for man, man wasn't made for the Sabbath. The holy day is Sunday for Christians because that is the day Christ was resurrected on, and it was established within the new testament as the day Christians got together to worship on.

Saturday is the holy day of the old covenant, Sunday is that of the new covenant.

>>6799335
I really wish you philosophers would stop using that word to describe indeterminism.
Doesn't matter anyway. Just one of those unprovables

>>6799245

If you're an "ex-Christian" then you were never a Christian in the first place.

>>6799335

Honestly that train of thought seems stronger in scientific circles than Christian ones form what I've seen.

>>6799283

I don't think which "holy day" you prefer is relevant to whether or not you're a Christian, unless they hold to the Jewish holy day because they think they need to keep the Old Covenant, in which case they're in deep shit.

>>6799395
Are you one of those guys that don't believe the past ever happened?

Weirdo.

>>6799410
It's pretty relevant when they say that Sunday is Satan's day.