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the greeks, start with them

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>>6797540
Plato and Descartes are good starting points
Eventually you need to learn something about Kant
Just go on Stanford philosophy and read articles that grab your interest

google History of Philosophy without any Gaps
Yes, that implies that you unironically start with the Greeks.

Thanks me later. Actually thank me now because that thing runs for at least several days.

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>>6797540
no one would have thought of fedoras until you specifically mentioned them.

I mostly just use wikipedia/plato.stanford.edu for base information or watch a youtube lecture before going right into reading them.

Essential philosophers imo: Plato, Aristotle, Kant, Hegel, Nietzsche, Heidegger

>>6797542
This

And this wasn't "fedora" IE Christians getting butthurt enough to post hat tipping neck beards pretending they're atheists. A "where do I start with philosophy" thread isn't "fedora" at all.

http://historyofphilosophy.net/all-episodes

>>6797593
>audio and starts with a music into

kinda looking for something I can just read.

Start with pic related, It's simple and covers lots of stuff.

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1y8_RRaZW5X3xwztjZ4p0XeRplqebYwpmuNNpaN_TkgM/pub

>>6797612
It comes with loads of literature recommendations, and the audio makes it sorta lightweight and easy to get into.

fucking christposters are ruining this board

>philosophy

>>6797641
fuck off im gonna kill u

>>6797632

If your background is limited, as long as you are reading philosophy and thinking ALONG what you have or what you are, reading---themes that are directly or indirectly philosophical, although at this stage you might have no point of reference as to what is and can be labelled as 'philosophical'---then you can safely count that as "getting into" philosophy. Philosophy is vast and if you continue to march in this direction, you yourself will soon come to observe this. The path to understanding highly abstract things, things that require delicate accuracy and precision, is inevitable without that initial, overwhelming confusion. However, if you are persistent (this should indicate how passionate you are about the subject; if you give up upon the first or the second or even the third try, then Philosophy might just not be for you) and plow through it, fragmentary knowledge gradually begins to cohere into a unified picture; coherent to the point that you can now freely converse about the subject matter: you feel comfortable in paraphrasing certain philosophical accounts, nuances, and so forth in your own language.

In any case, reading, writing, and thinking about Philosophy are all cognitively demanding activities, but if you stick to them---provided you are supplied with quality reading material or instructor or both which will not lead you astray---they are highly rewarding in the long run.

Good luck

>>6797540
Just read Peter Sloterdijk if you want to know what's going on these days.

>>6797632
slave morality much?

>>6797540
contrary to the meme, you do not have to start with the greeks. Start with this book https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/1816527.One_Hundred_Philosophers

I read this when I was eight years old and would recommend it for anyone without any background in philosophy. After reading the book choose a philosopher from it who caught your imagination and research them. If you still want to go deeper then read some of their work, AND MAKE SURE YOU FINISH WHAT YOU START READING!

Philosophy is a massive field and most people wander through it looking for new arguments to challenge their current ones, this is what I recommend.

>>6797716
^This is a classic case of slave morality

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>>6797609
I'm not too into /lit/ board culture, I was slightly afraid most posters would just laugh at me (as nearly every board would've). I'm glad I actually got some really helpful replies.
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>>6797739
thanks guys, I guess I'll just start with >>6797609, pick up >>6797621 later and from then on start with the basics.

>>6797540

since you don't want to be a fedora tip the only thing you can do is read the theologians

>>6797852
where do I start if I wanna get into theology? should I read Aristitle first?

>>6797868
start with the greeks and the read the romans and then from there read Plotinus augustine aquinas and Ockham. it should all be in the guide linked in >>6797621

Unless you are studying it, ignore it until its useful. Philosophy cannot be truly understood until you have enough life under your belt to work out why what you are reading is relevant or not relevant. The human brain also is a sticking point, brain growth literally not allowing for true understanding of anything to start until you hit about 25. Best bet is read around, choose what piques your interest not what other people recommend, I would argue this is the best course for most reading. But in all of this realise that you will need to completely re-read everything starting late twenties, assuming you are under this point, to start the understanding. I give this advice from experience and current longevity - I studied some philosophy in my teens as part of an ancient history course, looking back it sowed a seed in my mind, but thats all it was good for. Philosophy is for the old, those who have passed youth and have had time for regrets to become memories. Enjoy life now, it ends very quickly for all of us.

>>6797852
No, that's to *become* a fedora tipper. We all know it's you guys.

>>6797882
Ignore this.

>>6797540
1- As many of the greeks as possible: Plato, Aristotle, Epicurus, Homer, Sophocles etc
2- Read some Roman stuff if you want, its not that important
3- Dont read anything from 500-1500 AD. Its all christian dark age non sense, unless its early enlightenment era work; than read it.
4- Read Descartes, Spinoza and other rennicanse era philosophers
5- Read Locke, Berkeley, Hume and simaler people
6- Read Kant extensively, like read the critique once then read it again. Then Go to schopenhauer, Nietzsche, Hegel and Marx, continue with other simaler era philosophers also read Mein Kampf its important to pre Ww1-ww2 era thought
7- Dont bother reading farther, this is were modernist bullshit starts coming. Unless you want to read 1000 page books about how you cant know anything, with complicated bullshit language or how its fine to fuck another guy in the ass and touch kids than go ahead.

Then read the greeks again.

>>6798007
this tbh

read good, practical philosophy that enriches your understanding of the world. don't retreat into some kind of abstract mancave of bullshit no one cares about.

pro tip: any philosopher that tells you everything is subjective and because we can't exactly define morality then it is null is a lost faggot, hth

Honestly I think you should go in blind into one of the more entry(not entry-level) philosophers like Plato, Cicero, Augustine, Bacon, Hobbes, Machiaveli or Locke. Also make sure to begin with political philosophy since it's the easiest one to get into. I imagine you have some notion of atleast european history, so you can dive in those easily.

>>6798007

Start with the sheiks