/lit/ - Literature

>>6796376
What parts of the new testament do Muslims use /value? How do you know which parts are corrupted?

>>6796376
>Allah
>Lah = god
>al is an adjective most literally translated by the English ''The''
>Al-Lah = The God
It's literally the same guy as every other Abrahamic religion. Why you put the name there is a mystery to me.
>>6796397
From just having read the Qur'an, their biggest ''corruptions'' are Jesus's divinity and his crucifixion/resurrection.

>>6796397
Great question, I'll respond as soon as I have the time. /lit/ is a predominantly Muslim board though so I'm sure someone else will answer before then

>>6796397
Crucifixion/resurrection, him ever saying or in general the idea that he is God and that Mary is the mother of God, in the Qur'an it says that Isa [Jesus] claims to be only the slave of God and proof of him being a human is that he ate like every other human and he had bodily functions while Allah is like nothing else we can comprehend and he does not eat nor does he exist in human form (Surah 5), they also claim that the bible removed the part banning the eating of pig meat and drinking alcohol. As well as they took out the part where another prophet after Mohammed pbuh was proclaimed in the Injil (Gospels).

>>6796721
edit: after Isa, my mistake

>>6796437
>It's literally the same guy as every other Abrahamic religion.
No, it's not, you tard. Christians believe in the Trinity. Not in any way the 'same guy' as Allah.

Go fuck a goat Hadji

>>6796759
>No, it's not, you tard. Christians believe in the Trinity. Not in any way the 'same guy' as Alla

no it is, bc the muslims belive in the divinity of the biblical tex.tr

>>6796763
Yes but the Christian version of God is 3 false idols.

Daily reminder Muhammad was a pedophile

>>6796792
child marriage was commonplace back then in tribal Arabic society

No-one around Mohammad accused him of sexual deviance, and Mohammad didn't just get up one morning and say 'I want to fuck a little girl'.

>>6796470
>/lit/
>predominantly Muslim

>>6796828

The Koran is the sacred word that cannot be altered or changed. So it affirms that sex with children is okay, and encourages it since mohammad is the ideal man to imitate.

.

>>6796828

I hope you realise how retarded that argument sounds from people who claim to speak to an almighty, all knowing god.

>>6796828
sex with a 9 year old girl is pedophillia tho

>>6796832

It is you fucking infidel coronafag

>>6796839

> meanwhile I'm sucking steves cock


fuck off niggerfag

>>6796828
>child marriage was commonplace back then in tribal Arabic society
That doesn't make him a not a pedophile. At one point, cannibalism was commonplace in New Zealand. Does that make cannibalism OK?
>No-one around Mohammad accused him of sexual deviance,
Well, yes, he was a warlord with a short temper. Duh.
> and Mohammad didn't just get up one morning and say 'I want to fuck a little girl'.
Actually, that's exactly what he did. Like you said -- it was commonplace in Arabia at the time.

>>6796839
i don't know if it straight out encourages it, but it doesn't say that it's bad to sex kiddies

+1

Should be obvious Islam is the best religion.

That plus Buddhism, Daoism, and Neoplatonism and you can be a living legend.

>>6796862

Imitating the life of mohammad is a very important practice in Islam, even more so then in Christianity where you were often encouraged to think about the life of jesus and live his trials. The Hajj is the reliving of the journey of Mohammad and is core to Islam. If its wrong to sex children, then retroactively that would mean that the last prophet was wrong, and which calls into question the validity of islam.

>>6796763
>the divinity of the biblical tex.t
no they don't

According to Muslims, the bible was written by men usually long after the events happened, but the Koran is seen as the holy word of God.

>>6796839
>>6796843
>>6796871
And the bible commands you to stone gays and refuse to eat shellfish. Religious people have pick and chose whatever the fuck they want to believe, and will always do. Muslims are no different.

>>6796851
>>6796861
It was a planned marriage done to increase familial ties between political leaders, something commonplace in the society they lived in. That isn't to say we should do the same now, but imposing a system of morality in a historical epoch where none such existed is retarded.

Alexander was a warrior-king, but you don't really see people accusing him of being a mass-murderer who ruled with a horde of slavefighters, now do you? Caesar committed genocide against the Gauls, yet people revere him? Morality isn't black and white, and the perspective you have on Mohammad now is probably a consequence of the prevailing modes of thought following the war on terror and the rise the atheism in western society.

>>6796873

> Daily reminder that it was common place to have homo sex with young boys in ancient greek
The Quran is the last of the holy books, and is the only one written by God.

period

>>6796873

>and the bible commands

the bible is a book that is interpreted. The Koran is the sacred unchanging word. It is as divine as god.

>>6796879
The Koran wasn't written by God.

According to Muslims, it was recited to Mohammad through Gabriel alone in a cave in Arabic, a language of men, and Mohammad recited what was recited to him, which was transcribed into various books, but those various books weren't codified into a singular holy text until long after Mohammad already had died.

>>6796376
>for some stupid reason decide to check /lit/
>this is the first thread
>20 replies
This board is a joke

>>6796873
>And the bible commands you to stone gays and refuse to eat shellfish
Christians don't believe the Bible to be the literal word of God.
>>6796873
>That isn't to say we should do the same now, but imposing a system of morality in a historical epoch where none such existed is retarded.
Moral relativism? In a religion?? Thanks but no thanks.

>>6796873
the thing about christianity is that the whole deal is to believe in jesus, and that he died for your sins. god wouldn't refuse a person into heaven because he ate shellfish, because he knows that man is full of sin because of the whole eve eating the apple thing.

>>6796882

So in other words, you're a pagan who worships a book

>>6796890
I am seriously glad it's not another Christianity thread.

>>6796890

> 2015
> He's a christfag or still an antheist

topkek

>>6796882
That's irrelevant to Christians who take the Bible with the same theological authority Muslims take the Koran. Most Christians literally take the Bible as gospel.

>>6796891
Every single Christian I have met irl, and I live in a very religious country, treats the Bible as such.

>>6796891
>Moral relativism? In a religion??
I don't really care, but moral relativism in politics and history is proper. Islam is a cultural phenomena is as much as it is a religious theology, and to truly understand it, we should its situate it within the politics of society in how its understood today and to how it came to be in the culture it gave rise to. Being a butthurt moral absolutist about something as politically charged as Islam is as retarded as aloha akbar Islamists.

It's a bizaare thing to find fedora-tippers and christfags hold hands and in their infinite tard rage at impoverished and probably stupid sand people. It's almost like they like the idea of occupation and western imperialism.

>>6796792
is that the reason why whole Saudi-Arabia consists of degenerated fucktards?

>>6796828
>child marriage was commonplace back then in tribal Arabic society

well, no one said that Arabic society is okay

>>6796919
>That's irrelevant to Christians who take the Bible with the same theological authority Muslims take the Koran.
They're not Christians.
>Most Christians literally take the Bible as gospel.
Most Christians are Catholic or Orthodox. So no.

>>6796919
> and I live in a very religious country
Such as?

>Islam is a cultural phenomena is as much as it is a religious theology
I.e., Islam is a cult. Good to know. (I guess this thread is now officially over.)

>>6796970
That, and the fuckedup monarchy backed by the US lets assholes using whatever excuse to continue to be assholes.

>>6796982
It was the same way in ancient Israel too. tribal societies are fucked up yo

>>6797007
Philippines

>They're not Christians.
lol

The point is that being against Islam in all of its forms goes nowhere politically, and expecting there to be a mass conversion in the Arabic world to Christianity or atheism or whatever is frankly utopian. This secterianism will only prolong and perpetuate this conflict; only through an appeal to the moderates can there be a resolution, unless of course, you don't want a resolution.

>>6796763
>Christians believe in the Trinity
only catholics do, dipshit.

>>6796792
There's a lot of reason to believe that Aisha was at least 18 at the consummation of marriage. Though there is a significant age gap, it's not pedophilia.
http://www.muslim.org/islam/aisha-age.htm
If you're triggered by the fact it's a pro-Islam site it was is just the first site I could find explaining it, but the arguments are sound.

>>6797047
>It was the same way in ancient Israel too. tribal societies are fucked up yo

yeah, but at least some change, whereas muslim countries go backwards

>>6797096
>only catholics do, dipshit.
There's a formal definition of what Christians believe:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicene_Creed

If you don't believe in the Creed then you're not a Christian.

Around 90% of this formal definition is elaborating the details of the Trinity.

(In contrast, nothing is said about heaven, hell, or punishment for sin; these are things that are ultimately not that important to Christianity.)

>>6797156
...which itself is perpetuated by radical fundamentalists and religious dogmatists, which itself is perpetuated by foreign domination and poverty.

I swear, poor countries have the most religious faggots. I blame the fact that western society has gotten to the point where goods can pretty much provide for everyone that religion has been slowly eroding into a cynical liberal atheism. The Middle East (or at least general Middle Easterners, not, you know the oil barons) is really fucking poor, so it should be expected that they would become deeply religious. This isn't something limited to Islam.

>>6797769
there are other countries which are also poor and not that retarded, at least not making attacks in other countries

>>6797121

Doesn't it seem the least bit suspicious to you that they bumped the age up to exactly 18?

>>6798143
That particular site actually says 19, the consensus being 16-21, but no, since the math and reasoning makes sense.

>>6798143
Why would it matter how old she was?

>a religion can't be true if it doesn't fit with muh arbitrary view of morality!

>>6798733
because pedophilia TRIGGERS me you insensitive prick

>>6798759
Yeah well I get triggered by people being triggered by me faggot

Are the quaran interpreters divine and to be trusted when they claim that what is written is not what is meant?

>>6796792
That picture is bullshit. Also, marriage at 9-12 was normal in Roman society as well as early Christian, although the age of marriage did go up slightly when Christianity took hold. It would still be horrible compared to today's standards.

What are your thoughts on the discussions going on in the christian threads?

How many of you were born into Islam as opposed to converting into it.

>>6796772
To quote Religulous Jesus, water, ice and steam are just three different forms for the same thing.

>>6796376
/lit/ isn't /religion/, you idiot
Even /pol/ would be closer

>>6796759
Chapter Three- Semitic Religiosity
"At the very outset, at the first meeting with them, was found a universal clearness or hardness of belief, almost mathematical in its limitation, and repellant in its unsympathetic form. Semites had no half tones in their register of vision. They were a people of primary colours, or rather of black and white, who saw the world always in contour... their convictions were by instinct, their activities institutional. Their largest manufacture was of creeds; almost they were monopolists of revealed religions. Three of these efforts had endured among them; two of the three had bourne export (in modified forms) to non semitic peoples... These were semitic successes. Their failures, they kept to themselves. The fringes of their deserts were strewn with broken faiths. It was significant that this wrack of fallen religions lay about the meeting of the desert and the sewn. It pointed to the genesis of all these creeds. They were assertions, not arguments; so they required a prophet to set them forth. The arabs said that there had been forty thousand prophets; we had records of at least some hundreds. None of them had been of the wilderness; but their lives had been after a pattern. Their birth set them in crowded places. An unintelligible passionate yearning drove them out into the desert. There they lived a greater or lesser time in meditation and physical abandonment; and thence they returned with their imagined message articulate... the beduin of the desert, born and grown up in it, had embraced with all his soul this nakedness to harsh for volunteers, for the reason, felt but inarticulate, that there he found himself indubitably free... there unconsciously he came near God. God was to him not anthropomorphic, not tangible, not moral or ethical, not concerned with the world or with him, but the being (greek words, sorry, can't type,) thus qualified not by divestiture, but by investiture, a comprehending being, the egg of all activity, with nature and matter just a glass reflecting him."

So you see that they are all the same feeling expressed in a different way, with our spin on an interpretation.

>>6799112
The Quran is a book.

>>6797096
What? I don't even know where you'd pick this conception up

what hadiths should I read

>all of this Islamic mental gymnastics and cultural relativism
No, sorry, but your own Holy Text makes it very clear that your beloved prophet was a pedophile. He fucked little girls and that's disgusting.
>"but it was normal back then among Arabs--"
Who cares? I don't live back then, I live now. Muhammad is supposed to be an honorable man emulated by Muslims even today, but his behavior is reprehensible and dangerous to children and society. Nobody should emulate pedophiles, and yet Muslims continue to do so at an alarming rate. This religion has no place in the modern world and I want it gone.
>"but in Christianity, the Bible also says some things that today--"
We're not talking about Christianity, we're talking about your shitstain of a religion. Yes Christianity is also a crock of shit, but that doesn't make your barbaric ideology any less barbaric or disgusting or detrimental to Western society.

>>6800223

>but your own Holy Text makes it very clear that your beloved prophet was a pedophile


not the guy you're replying to, but where is this mentioned in the Qur'an?

>>6800223
nigger, I'm not a Muslim

Like, almost fucking noone in this thread is a Muslim

Fuck man, just look at Turkey, a largely secular county with a massive Muslim majority. It ain't the same backwardness as, say the Islamic State because the structure of the society in its development up to now was very different. Ascribing barbarity to Islam as a religion is to take up a perspective limited to a specific epoch then stretching and imposing a fabricated system of belief (because it's limited to a specific time and place) upon the whole of Islamic history. Islamists like exaggerating the power Golden Age of the Islamic Empire; what made the golden age so golden was because of the massive advancements in philosophy and science. Hell, if it weren't for the Muslims, we wouldn't have copies of Plato and Aristotle.

You know, Jews and Christians look up to Abraham, and both revere him, but you don't really find either practicing polygamy, now do you? The Bible commanded various warrior-prophets to commit genocide against specific tribes, especially with Joshua, yet the last time a Christian committed genocide, everyone denounced him, and for good reason too. Julius Caesar once attacked an innocent tribe and massacred thousands, but we still look up to him for some reason. Richard the Lionheart would massacre Arab villages as well. Alexander forged him empire through fire and blood and would burn towns to the ground and sell the survivors into slavery. Glorious Rome was built on the backs of slaves. Shit, Christian crusaders went and fucked up Baltic pagans, inquisitioned the moors, and sacked Byzantine. Thomas Jefferson owned slaves. I can go on and on; many of the heroes the West holds were just as much fucked up as Mohammad, or even worse.

The way Islam is now was a consequence of the development in culture in the Middle East. It is a social phenomena limited to a specific historical epoch. Shit nigger, you wouldn't bring up these braindead points 200 years ago because social foundations (cultural, political, ideological, etc) for your perspective upon Islam as a religion would have been radically different. Not necessarily because the major components of Islam were different, but because the political situation is wholly different.

Unless you want to continue occupation and ruining innocent lives and continue this conflict that does nothing to benefit anyone but the military-industrial complex, (oh btw, part of the major reason why islamic radicalism became so bloody popular was because of all the invasions. Invading and occupying countries fucks them up you know) I'd leave your chauvinism at the door you nigger faggot.

>>6800178
Probably none of them, honestly. They weren't even that important historically, only recently did people stop being aware of the obviously falsified and political nature of 99% of them. That said if you have to read some, the hadith qudsi and an-Nawawi's 40 hadith are the way to go. You should also read Nahjul Balagha.

>>6796470
>/lit/ is a predominantlly Muslim board

>>6800304
This.
Majority of the hadith (even the 'authentic' ones) were made up to explain the Qur'an, which itself was a composite text based on Christian Syriac and Jewish material. There was most likely a Muhammad who preached apocalyptic monotheism but very few, if any, of the Qur'anic passages are actually words that came out of his mouth. Read Gabriel Said Reynolds if you're interested, he's a Catholic scholar who reveals Islam for what it is - heresy and fraud

>>6800990

>a Catholic scholar
>who think that other faiths are wrong

Oh my God stop the presses, I never would've guessed he would reach this stunning conclusion

>>6796861
Wow, it's almost like different cultures have different moral standards.

>>6801009
Lel knew someone would take the bait. I'm not a christposter. Critical Islamic scholarship is a thing though, because it's a relatively new field there's lots of exciting developments that will give you a hard-on if you're into Islamic studies. There's a big spectrum of scholarly opinion on this topic, I recommend joining pic related if you're really interested.

>>6800287
tl;dr
Stopping worshiping a pedophile, thanks

>>6801045
>a religion is only valid if it fits my arbitrary view of morality
Pleb

>>6801035
Yeah, and one particular culture's moral standards are disgusting and destructive to society

>>6799092
that's modalism, dog.

God refers to himself in the plural in Genesis. Supports the Trinity. Though I think Islam retconned even the OT

>>6801053
*tips pith helmet
It is not easy carrying white man's burden and bringing civilisation to the unfortunate savages, my fellow white man.

>>6796376
Rate my sword /lit/

>>6801070
Here's another one. I found it in one of those jewish tribes lmao

>>6801059
islam got rid of everything that didn't conform to the worldview of an illiterate and murderous pedophile.

if islam is the truth, then why did it have to be spread with the sword? christianity continues to grow yet jesus never killed a single person.

>>6801077
r8 this one
I pimped it myself

>>6801066
Sorry but pedophilia is a pretty savage and disgusting practice and shouldn't be encouraged in a functioning civilization. I don't care if you want to go marry and fuck children in your desert shithole, but I don't want to see it in my society and I don't want to see barbaric zealots worshiping and emulating a pedophile

>>6801080
>if islam is the truth, then why did it have to be spread with the sword?
Because swords are cool, faggot.

>>6801084
Jeebus' dad was also a pedophile and he is a saint according to the Catholic Church.
Checkmate kaffirs

>>6801085
fuck off to /k/ where you belong, you violent mohammedan piece of shit

>>6801097
seems you are jelly but one day you will have a cool sword collection like me

>>6801102
yeah. they will be the swords of dead saracens.

>>6801059
>supports the Trinity
"The Hebrew word translated here as God is "Elohim" and that is a plural form which would ordinarily (if tradition were defied) be translated as "gods". It is possible that in the very earliest traditions on which the Bible is based, the creation was indeed the work of a plurality of gods. The firmly monotheistic Biblical writers would carefully have eliminated such polytheism, but could not perhaps do anything with the firmly ingrained term "Elohim". It was too familiar to change"
Asimov's Guide to the Bible

>>6801091
>It's okay to worship a pedophile because other people do it
Lol what is this fourth grader logic.

If everybody slaughtered innocent children and bombed supermarkets, would you do it too?

If your posts are any indication, the answer is probably yes

>>6801108
>>6801097
>>6801084
See >>6801048

Let me guess, you're a troll who's "only pretending" to be retarded?

>>6801108
nigger no
seems you don't understand
It was acceptable to fug children in those times, now not. Muslims follow the teachings of Muhammed yet they don't imitate him completely otherwise it will be idolatry.

>>6801111
i am only one of those posts. who the other three are, i don't know.

>>6801111
You're replying to multiple people. IMO a religion is invalid if it's central tenets are false, if it is destructive to society, and if it encourages violence, pedophilia, and oppression.

what do muslims think about this guy and his offspring (Hulagu Khan, Tamerlane, etc)?
Do you hate them because they razed your cities and destroyed some libraries and mosques?

>>6801122
>>6801124
All making the exact same point though. I hear the same thing from Christfags who object to Mo being a pedo yet will sort of shrug and do the "muh objective morality" routine whenever they get asked about hell.

>>6801135
what about hell?

>>6801124
>>6801084
>This fucking idiot really has no historical perspective whatsoever
>This fucking idiot is confusing a religion with a commonly accepted social practice at the time, one that was the same in Europe
>this fucking idiot genuinely replies with shit like >>6801108 to someone raising the point that the country he lives in is a country where the main faith also revolves around marriage of 12 year olds with older men

Please just tell me you were trying to troll, or bait. It would be incredibly pathetic, but nothing tops this display of utter ignorance and idiocy.

Mutazila or Ashariyya?

>>6801115
Muslims are supposed to venerate and model their lives around a man who married and fucked a six year old

This is unacceptable to me and others who have a problem with the emulation of mass murders, hypocrites, and pedophiles. I worry that if people follow the teachings of a genocidal pedophile, they themselves might engage in similarly destructive and disgusting acts

A pretty reasonable concern, all things considered

>>6801167
They follow the TEACHINGS and not emulate Muhammed. If you have read the Quran you will see Muhammed taught that wars were justified if they were defensive, yet he engaged in aggresive wars. Which means his teachings are more important of what he did. Familiarise yourself with Sharia Law.
It's completely different.

>>6801174
so not only is the founder of your religion an illiterate genocidal pedophile but he's a fucking hypocrite, too? holy fuck, muslims are stupid.

>>6800287
>>6800287
>Hell, if it weren't for the Muslims, we wouldn't have copies of Plato and Aristotle.

Our copies today did not reach us through the Islamic world. They did in the middle ages though.

>>6801185
>so not only is the founder of your religion an illiterate genocidal pedophile but he's a fucking hypocrite
You were complaining about "mass murders" so I posted that they weren't good according to Muhammad yet you say "muslims are stupid"? Not even a muslim nig, but nice try faggot.
You really don't know what means to be a hypocrite, you probably think the same about philosophers who didn't practice what they say.

>>6801192
it's one thing to not practice what you preach. it's something else to tell people not to engage in aggressive wars, and then go out and engage in aggressive wars.

by the way, i am not the person who was complaining about mass murders. i'm just shitting on mohammedans and their leader.

Why can't we just agree that the Islamic religion boils down to a stifling and inhumane rule book that prays on the fear of a vengeful god. A doctrine that would completely crumble under the slightest historical and literary criticism.

The cultural achievements of the Islamic world are a testament to the ingenuity and intelligence of the Arab, Persian, Syriac, Egyptian and many other civilizations. Because ingenuity is certainly needed to find the necessary loopholes and invent the creative interpretations needed to make it possible to flourish despite Islam.

But what about the Jews and the Christians? They became modern and moderate. Well, maybe their religion allows them this, without being too hypocritical. With the exception of some Evangelical sects.

>The totem is hereditary either through the maternal or the paternal line; (maternal transmission probably always preceded and was only later supplanted by the paternal). The attachment to a totem is the foundation of all the social obligations of an Australian: it extends on the one hand beyond the tribal relationship, and on the other hand it supersedes consanguineous relationship[9].
The totem is not limited to district or to locality; the members of a totem may live separated from one another and on friendly terms with adherents of other totems[10].
And now, finally, we must consider that peculiarity of the totemic system which attracts the interest of the psychoanalyst. Almost everywhere the totem prevails there also exists the law that the members of the same totem are not allowed to enter into sexual relations with each other; that is, that they cannot marry each other. This represents the exogamy which is associated with the totem.
This sternly maintained prohibition is very remarkable. There is nothing to account for it in anything that we have hitherto learned from the conception of the totem or from any of its attributes; that is, we do not understand how it happened to enter the system of totemism. We are therefore not astonished if some investigators simply assume that at first exogamy—both as to its origin and to its meaning—had nothing to do with totemism, but that it was added to it at some time without any deeper association, when marriage restrictions proved necessary. However that may be, the association of totemism and exogamy exists, and proves to be very strong.

>https://themuslimissue.wordpress.com/2013/12/06/muslims-verify-mufakhathat-islamic-masturbation-and-incest-of-infants/

Muslims are literally more degenerate and uninhibited than Godless tribes that were classed as fauna 50 years ago

>>6800287
> just look at Turkey, a largely secular county with a massive Muslim majority

Ain't quite the case anymore man, get with it

>>6801045
>nigger I'm not a muslim

>Stopping worshiping a pedophile

>>6801080
>Christianity was never spread through violence

>>6800990
>the Qur'an, which itself was a composite text based on Christian Syriac and Jewish material.
Stop peddling this hoax, it's embarrassing.
1) Pre-Islamic Arabic poetry exists and attests to the language of the Qur'an.
2) The Qur'an was already memorized by thousands of people during and after Muhammad's life. The only reason it was officially codified (within a generation of Muhammad's death) was because Uthman discovered many Hafiz had died in battle and he wanted to make sure that it was preserved in whole.
3) If Uthman had canonized a Qur'an that was even off by a letter there would have been massive uprising, most notably from the Shi'itu Ali, and Uthman would've been ousted in a second. But that didn't happen because, as the Muslims say, the Qur'an was intentionally preserved in totality.

Not a Muslim, just fuck off with your dumb conspiracy theories.

>>6801915
>>6801474
>>6801446
The best argument against Islam is the utter, breathtaking stupidity of its defenders.

>>6801940
Make it less obvious that you've been blown the fuck out, anon.

>>6801968
>a bloo bloo bloo muh nobel desert cult

Nobody gives a shit about a coherent rebuttal of fantastical claims. Go fuck yourself.

>>6801915
Proof for any of your claims? Hadith don't count as historic evidence, fyi

>>6801915
It's not a conspiracy theory. Look up critical Islamic scholarship. Gabriel Reynolds is a good starting point, even if he does get touted by /lit/'s christcancer. Just like Christianity and Judaism before it, Islam is finally being put under a microscope and dissected thanks to critical textual analysis.

The people who object to it most vocally are 'not a Muslim' knee-jerk reactionaries who accept Islamic tradition unquestioningly. Surprise surprise they don't make very good scholars.

>>6801057
No it isn't, water and ice are different but also the same.

>>6801474
i'm talking about jesus and mohammed. did jesus ever use violence to spread christianity?

>>6801059
He is The Lord of Heaven's Armies.

>>6802083
>It's not a conspiracy theory.
It is, for all the reasons given; none of which, as you saw, were that the few persons peddling the myth are "not Muslim". That you ignored them and went straight for identitarian ideology is, of course, not a surprise.

>>6802213
>Not a Musllim
Calling bullshit. You're either a pasty ginger convert or a straight up, brown as a berry Saudi hafiz.

>>6802749
Agreed

grew up as a Ismaili Muslim. Ask me anything.

>>6802779
Do you acknowledge that the Islamic ideology is inherently incompatible with secular Western society?

>>6802787
I do.

Even though the religious leader of the Ismailis the Aga Khan tries his hardest to secularize the religion and make it compatible with Western Society, he cant. Basic tenets of Ismailism cannot be followed in a western world view. This of course can be said for the rest of Islam, even though many things are different with Ismailism and mainstream Islamic theology.

>>6802749
LOL this

>>6802749
>>6802771
>>6803412
>thinks if he shitposts this hard no one will see that he is still ignoring the arguments against his dumb opinion because he has no idea what he's talking about
>samefagging to save his life and doing a fucking horrible job at it
No human bean has ever been this blown the fuck out, Jesus. Fucking Christposters are as bad as the /pol/rats.

Quran 5:82
Sahih International: You will surely find the most intense of the people in animosity toward the believers [to be] the Jews and those who associate others with Allah; and you will find the nearest of them in affection to the believers those who say, "We are Christians." That is because among them are priests and monks and because they are not arrogant.

>>6804720
Still haven't evidenced your own claims. Me being Christian doesn't mean I can't comment on other religions

>>6805833
As usual with your kind we have to hold you hand and spell it out for you.
>>6801915
1) http://www.arabacademy.com/arabic-blog/tag/pre-islamic-arab-poetry/
2) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Hafiz
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Yamama
3) Follows from the above evidence and complete lack of controversy over the content of the canonized text.
Now please stop posting.

>>6796839
>since mohammad is the ideal man to imitate
Is that really true? I thought Islam considers him a prophet, and that only the teachings passed on by the angel Gabriel during his revelations were perfect. This is different than Christianity, which does view Christ Jesus as God incarnate and in a constant state of revelation.

>>6796839
>The Koran is the sacred word that cannot be altered or changed. So it affirms that sex with children is okay

It doesn't say anything about it.