/lit/ - Literature

>>6749826
like, super far out, man

>>6749826
>https://docs.google.com/document/d/1y8_RRaZW5X3xwztjZ4p0XeRplqebYwpmuNNpaN_TkgM/pub
lol what? NO calculus, god how fucking stupid are you. You dumb piece of shit, math came before plato and socrates.

>>6749851
I don't count that as mathematics proper, since the greeks were the first to invent the proof.

>>6749826

You must start with the Gurkhas

Well, I'm reading Mythology and A New History of Western Philosophy. In the first one, I don't really like the way Edith Hamilton paraphrases some myths, putting some of her opinions into it and making crazy generalizations, but apart from that it's a well-curated book and the language is simple and easy to understand. Kenny's history of philosophy though has been a fun read so far, the language is pretty simple too and the way he puts in context the thoughts and concerns of certain philosophers (i.e. he first explains Aristotle's four causes, by then he introduces the presocratics and their ideas and how each one of these approached the causes) is spot-on from a didactic viewpoint.

>Start reading preface
>"I am a Marxist and an atheist"

That's as far as I got.

Is this still being updated?

I'm almost done with the greeks

>>6749927

>>6749910
That's Hamilton for you. I heard she has insane introductions to Plato's dialogues in her collected works edition. At least Mythology is concise and short, unlike modern myth collections.

What can I do to challenge myself at a close to undergraduate level while reading philosophy.

Just take notes and write essays? Try to talk about what I've read with people on lit.

I'm still reading the greeks since I'm trying to kinda memorise the stuff and because I've never read much before. I'm reading more greeks than he mentioned tho I'll move on soon.

>>6751756
I plan on fighting my ignorance by reading as many books as I can.

>>6749826
reading philosophical works by strict order is pointless, prohibitively expensive in terms of time invested, and confusing

one should read a survey (hurr durr the guide recommends that!) to find a CONTEMPORARY philosopher who is inspiring, or whose views coincide with your own. From there you trace THEIR inspirations to better understand THEM.

if you start with Plato for instance, you will have a difficult time discerning which parts

and NO GUIDE is going to be conclusive! that is perhaps the most important concession, you cannot totally preempt philosophies, its impossible. you would either become so bogged down in ancient text that to just reach the scholastics would take years or you miss what are in some part seminal texts. for instance, the guide is missing Sextus Empiricus and Cicero's dialogue On Academic Skepticism. Both are essential for understanding ancient skeptical thought which helped guide the empiricists.

I would recommend a much less structured entry into philosophy:
starting from Nietzsche if you think his ideas are interesting and powerful:
Nietzsche->Schopenhauer->Socratic Dialogues->Heraclitus->Protagoras->Sextus->Hume->Kant

or starting from Wittgenstein
Wittgenstein's later works->Russell->Quine->Searle->Goethe/Tolstoy/Augustine

etc. for whomever you want to learn about. THAT is the best way to learn a philosophy. Where the guide is useful is if you find a text inaccessible you can see who it is responding to

>>6749826
>Marxist

>>6751826
Saved this post. Ty anon.

>>6751756
Learn how to ask the text questions. Getting better at asking questions is getting better at reading the text. That will get you a more valuable education than most undergraduate lectures anyway.

>>6749826
Start with Deleuze and read anywhere.

>>6749851
Calculus came with Leibniz and is talked about in his philosophy.

>>6751756
>Just take notes and write essays?
Exactly. Some people will never take you seriously if you don't have a degree but being a philosopher requires consuming and producing philosophy. Try to read and write each for a few hours a day. I try to read for three hours a day for example.

For reading, split your time between classics and your personal interests. You need to be able to reference and allude to the philosophers before you. You also need to become your own so to speak. You will always be second-rate if you don't know yourself. Follow your desires when it comes to your reading choices to flesh yourself out.

>>6751622
Best new rxn on 4christian