/lit/ - Literature

He means nothing, like in the rest of his writing

what do you mean "what's he mean"?

>>6743901

very zen

now shut the fuck up and learn to read

>>6743914

"what does (what's) he mean?"

"what does this signify?"

>>6743921
the statement's meaning is quite obvious

Many young writers think of themselves as 'artists' or 'writers' rather than 'storytellers'. Which is problematic because a novel is a medium for telling stories or narratives. I've not read V but Crying of Lot 49 didn't have much of a story going on and it suffers for that.

That's not to say that you can't do a sort of pure writing if you wish and even do it in a really long form book but doing it in the form of a novel and failing to tell a story will always mean you created a bad novel.

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>>6744158
this is by far the worst normal board on 4chan

>>6744161
>implying it's not /tv/

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>>6744176
atleast they arent aggravating superficial prentitious invalids

When did he say that?

I only know he disliked The Crying of Lot 49, and when he said that he phrased is as he'd forgotten everything about writing he'd learned with V.

And I'm inclined to agree with him, V. is so much better, and remains my second favorite Pynchon after Gravity's Rainbow.

>>6744176
I've read TrueFilm and the vast majority of posts are a whole bunch of nothing. They think they're intelligent because their saw obvious symbolism in a film and never actually get into "deep" discussions. Reddit is full of shitposters that think they're intelligent, 4chan is full of shitposters that know they're shitposters.

>>6744176
Yeah, TV is pretty awful

Similar collage could be easily made for /mu/ and /v/ if you lurk long enough though.

/lit/ is sometimes very eccentric and pretentious, but never plain retarded

>>6743914
what do you mean, "what's it mean, what's it mean"? what's it mean, "what's it mean"? you puritan-ah

>>6744158

This, basically. In TCoL49 Pynchon was too preoccupied with establishing a stylistic voice through maximalism and various experiments in form and neglected the bones of the novel, namely narrative. It gestures toward profundity without actually carrying the same heft as his later works, where story was actually more balanced with all the pomo quirks.

>>6744176

>try to make artfilm threads on /lit/ because no one cares for them on /tv/
>actually have good discussion before it gets deleted
>tfw there's literally no where on 4chan where you can have a serious discussion on movies that aren't recent blockbusters

Not that /tv/ doesn't have serious discusion about recent blockbusters anyway. It's all memes and shitposting.

>>6744267
It's in his Slow Learner compilation of his short stories. They aren't very good, but it's interesting to hear comments from the author himself.

>>6744339
whatcha mean whatcha mean

>>6744267

V. is probably my favorite of his, which is why I wouldn't be surprised if I got the quote wrong

>>6743892
"So I know GR is like $30 but you should buy it because it's just soooo much better than my other books. What's the matter, don't you want to read the "good" Pynchon, goy?"

>>6747240

yikes

Hey I didn't want to start a thread for this, so I'm just posting in the first pinecone I see

What is Against the Day about? Where does it fall in the ranking of pynchon novels? Better than Inherent Vice? Worse than Lot 49? Why doesn't anybody ever talk about it?

>>6747422
>why doesn't anybody ever talk about it?
It's his longest novel and young people have a short attention span. Nobody here has read it.

>>6744902
I actually flipped through the Slower Learner introduction before making that post (haven't actually read it yet) and I only found the line about Lot 49 and forgetting what he'd learned. He says his writing was getting good before Lot 49 (which seems to mean when he was writing V.).

>>6747422
>What is Against the Day about?
The time period between the Chicago World's Fair and the start of WWI (and a little bit after it; the novel actually skips over the war). So it covers a lot of shit and there are tons of characters even for Pynchon, but the most persistent theme is anarchism vs. corporatism. It covers the Colorado labor struggles, the Mexican revolution, occultists in London, arctic exploration, airship battles, and the growing darkness in Europe leading up to WWI, and of course a whole lot more.

I haven't read any Pynchon lite but I rank Against the Day above Lot 49 and below Gravity's Rainbow, V., and Mason & Dixon. I think it's not quite at the level of his best three but it's still great and any Pynchon fan should read it.

>>6743892
that it's shit. if you like it, you should be gassed.

>>6744317
>I've read TrueFilm and the vast majority of posts are a whole bunch of nothing
Some of the moderators are good posters.

>>6747422

GR > V. > Mason & Dixon > Against The Day(currently reading) > The Crying of Lot 49 > Vineland > Inherent Vice

I haven't read Slow Learner or Bleeding Edge