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To acquire Socratic ignorance one must literally forget everything one knows.

>I lie down flat on the grassy earth
>And forget everything they taught me.
>What they taught me never made me hotter or colder,
>What they told me never changed the form of a thing for me,
>What they made me learn to see never touched my eyes.
>What they showed me was never there: only what was there was there.

One must forget the names of the countries, the theories of the scientists, the names of the presidents and prime ministers, all knowledge that the world considers necessary. Then one becomes like a child and a fool. If someone asks you, for example, whether you or a conservative or a liberal, you simply reply with honesty that you don't know what a conservative or liberal is, and this is honest because you have truly forgotten. Then when the person looks at you like an alien and begins to wonder whether you what brought up on a farm by illiterate peasants, you ask them, if you like, to explain the difference between conservative and liberal, I.e. you ask them to develop their idea. This is the Socratic dialectic. In this process the man who thought of you as an idiot will soon come to realize that hi notions of conservative and liberal are something of a "spook". This is how one spreads holy ignorance as a cure for intellectualism and the idols of the intellect.

10/10 OP. I've been thinking about this a lot and regardless of how crazy this sounds to people, God's been talking to me about what you were referring to as Socratic Ignorance. Your post was a nudge from a friend in the right direction. Thanks.

We run from the chinks, but we can't hide from the fact that the beginning and the end are one and the same.

>>6726553
When one denies knowledge of simple bare facts, like that there is such a country called Russia, or that there was such a writer called Shakespeare, or that there was such a war called World War II, one promotes holy ignorance by showing how easy it is to live like an ignorant child, a little "provincial" satisfied with the knowledge of his own house and nothing beyond, without the encumberance of haughty knowledge.

>>6726548

>A strong man, perhaps a military man, because his life is devoted to the art of bodily strength and fighting, will often fall into the delusion that the world is ruled by strength, by military force.
>A man of finance, a businessman, because his life is devoted to financial exchange, will often fall into the delusion that the world is run by money and commerce.
>A seducer will believe that the world is run by sexual passion. A spiritual occultist will believe that the world is run by spirits.

All three are correct though, the world is ruled by greed, lust and fear and strength, commerce and passion are just tools people use to protect themselves.

>>6726579
but you learned this from a homosexual who was into bdsm. how can you be sure that his philosophy wasn't just an extension of his fetish?

>>6726579
No, that is an illusion. The world is ruled by the Providence of the One who create it. All this talk of separate powers is an illusion in the minds of men who seek to divide and conquer the world.

>>6726579
>muh secular trinity of money, violence and sex is the sum of our reality and motivation
Secularists will never escape this ontology

>spooks are bad

let the tragedy unfold bitch, some of us are enjoying it

>>6726599
>tfw having sex with a woman when you get the powerful impression that you are actually having sex with a spook, and the dick goes limp

Christposting it best shitposting. Always gives me a good chuckle.

>>6726605
did this actually happen to you?

To three kinds of evil and inconvenience the spiritual man is subject when he persists in desiring to make use of all natural knowledge and reflections of the memory in order to journey toward God, or for any other purpose: two of these are positive and one is privative. The first comes from things of the world; the second, from the devil; the third, which is privative, is the impediment and hindrance to Divine union caused and effected in the soul.

2. The first evil, which comes from the world, consists in the subjection of the soul, through knowledge and reflection, to many kinds of harm, such as falsehoods, imperfections, desires, opinions, loss of time, and many other things which breed many kinds of impurity in the soul. And it is clear that the soul must of necessity fall into many perils of falsehood, when it admits knowledge and reasoning; for oftentimes that which is true must appear false, and that which is certain, doubtful; and contrariwise; for there is scarcely a single truth of which we can have complete knowledge. From all these things the soul is free if the memory enters into darkness with respect to every kind of reflection and knowledge.

3. Imperfections meet the soul at every step if it sets its memory upon that which it has heard, seen, touched, smelt and tasted; for there must then perforce cling to it some affection, whether this be of pain, of fear, of hatred, of vain hope, vain enjoyment, vainglory, etc.; for all these are, at the least, imperfections, and at times are downright venial sins; and they leave much impurity most subtly in the soul, even though the reflections and the knowledge have relation to God. And it is also clear that they engender desires within the soul, for these arise naturally from the knowledge and reflections aforementioned, and if one wishes only to have this knowledge and these reflections, even that is a desire. And it is clearly seen that many occasions of judging others will come likewise; for, in using its memory, the soul cannot fail to come upon that which is good and bad in others, and, in such a case, that which is evil oftentimes seems good, and that which is good, evil. I believe there is none who can completely free himself from all these kinds of evil, save by blinding his memory and leading it into darkness with regard to all these things.

>>6726617
no mate, but it is theoretically possible

>>6726636
>theory

a spook if i ever saw one

>christfags don't even lie anymore about the fact that they're morons and that their beliefs are wrong
>they cling to their beliefs so hard that even truth itself is sacrificed
>christfags prove the intellectual bankrupcy of Christianity better than any atheist ever could

What a great time to be alive

>>6726666
I don't think OP's a Christian

>>6726682

>Socratic ignorance is the end of ideological warfare, the disease of intellectualism. It is a requirement for the Christian commandment of being like a child in the kingdom of God, or being a fool for Christ's sake and despising "worldly wisdom".

>>6726666
can't fool me satan

>>6726548
>An intellectual is someone who believes that the world is ruled by ideas.
kek

>>6726733
If Marx didn't think that ideas ruled the world he wouldn't have spent all his energies trying to spread his ideas. He would have just sat back and let the economic forces do what he said they would of necessity do. He was a hypocrite.

Damn OP this thread is dogshit

>>6727216
He just tried to accelerate the process to reduce the suffering of the proletariat

But you haven't shown that Hegel is wrong, just started that he is. Do you have an argument for why the world is not one of idea (note that Hegel makes many references to God, and idealism in no way denies religion)?

>>6727216
He didn't spread ideas, most lf the time he destroyed ideas.

>>6727216
>The view of history (thought Marxism is often caricatured as saying this) should not be interpreted as meaning that economic factors determine everything. "According to the materialist conception of history," wrote Engels to Bloch (September 21, 1890), "the ultimately determining element in history is the production and reproduction of real life. More than this neither Marx nor I have ever asserted. Hence if somebody twists this into saying that the economic element is the only determining one, he transforms that proposition into a meaningless, abstract, senseless phrase... We make our history ourselves, but, in the first place, under very definite assumptions and conditions, Among these the economic ones are ultimately decisive. But the political ones, etc., and indeed even the traditions which haunt human minds also play a part, although not a decisive one."
Political Economy, John Eaton, page 19

>Men make their own history, whatever its outcome may be, in that each person follows his own consciously desired end, and it is precisely the result of these many wills operating in different directions and of their manifold effects upon the world outside that constitutes history. Thus it is also a question of what the many individuals desire. The will is determined by passion or deliberation. But the levers which immediately determine passion or deliberation are of very different kinds. In part they may be external objects, in part ideal motives, ambition, "enthusiasm for truth and justice", personal hatred or even purely individual whims of all kinds. But, on the one hand, we have seen that the many individual wills active in history for the most part produce results quite other than those desired—often quite the opposite;that their motives, therefore, in relation to the total result are likewise of only secondary importance. On the other hand, the question also arises: What driving forces in turn stand behind these motives? What are the historical causes which transform themselves into these motives in the minds of the actors? (page 388-389)
>The influences of the external world upon man express themselves in his brain, are reflected therein as feelings, thoughts, impulses, volitions—in short, as "ideal tendencies", and in this form become "ideal powers". If, then, a man is to be deemed an idealist because he follows "ideal tendencies" and admits that "ideal powers" have an influence over him, then every person who is at all normally developed is a born idealist and how, in that case, can there be any materialists at all? (page 400)
MECW Volume 26, Ludwig Feuerbach and the End of Classical German Philosophy, Frederick Engels

>>6726548

>The world is in fact ruled by the unknowable God, the unnamable Way, the great Source or One.

kek, tell me your god and i will tell you your society/world