/lit/ - Literature

>>6696095
>No Osamu Dazai thread? Why?
I imagine everyone here is suicidal enough as it is.
I really liked No Longer Human though

>>6696101
>I imagine everyone here is suicidal enough as it is.

Yep. Even if Dazai's writing sucked I think I'd like him because of how depressed he was.

>>6696101
>I really liked No Longer Human though
I liked it too.

Try this one.
Plot summary: Poverty, time and suicide.

>>6696095
Is his fake surname a tribute to "dasein"?

>>6696440
(or name, I don't know which)

>>6696095
Those quotes look like green text lines

>tfw you realise taht you'll never know happiness or glory as long as you live

>all those failed suicide attempts

Come on dude.

>>6696095
>I have never derived the least joy out of amusements. Perhaps that is a sign of the impotence of pleasure.

Gotta love it when losers project their failings onto the universe.

> I'm no fun
> Therefore: Everything sucks and fun does not exist

Pathetic.

>>6696095
This appeals to my inner NEET.

>>6697059
Man, you can't be serious.

>>6699623
That's literally the only argument 90% of /lit/ has against any pessimistic philosophy

>>6700307
It's correct though. Pessimism is nothing but a universalised negative value judgement.

Of course optimism is just as nonsensical.

>>6700400
So then shut up if you, and you most likely do, only apply this critiscism to the negative part.

Have you thought of why it bums you so?

>>6700400
What do you find sensible? Genuinely curious. Suggested reading is nice if you're up to it

>>6700411
What I find sensible is not applying a singular value judgement to literally everything as being part of that everything with literally nothing to compare it to.

As Freddy said:

>Judgements, judgements of value about life, for it or against it, can in the end never be true: they have value only as symptoms, they are worthy of consideration only as symptoms; in themselves such judgements are meaningless. One must stretch out one's hands and attempt to grasp this amazing subtlety, that the value of life cannot be estimated. Not by the living, for they are an interested party, even a bone of contention, and not impartial judges; not by the dead, for a different reason.

>>6700405
I apply it to both. Saying "existence sucks" or "existence is nice" is like saying "existence is cold" or "existence is hot".

>>6700400
>Pessimism is nothing but a universalised negative value judgement.
Every philosophical branch in the lines of pessimism, nihilism, optimism, etc. has nothing of a negative value judgement, and it's utterly retarded to think of it that way.
Their aim is mainly ease the pain of mankind, and pessimist believe their experience less pain than optimist for example, that often fool themselves into self-deception. You don't seem too well-read in the matter, for it is not a matter of opinion -like several posts seem to consider judgement- but a consideration of human psychology and how the world is experienced. Hardly matter the objective reality if there is such thing, or whatever good can the life bring to people, but only the claim that the pessimist state of mind will avoid the greatest degree of unhappiness than other ways of thinking.
"Everything sucks" it's a rather dull misrepresentation of pessimism, reducing the whole doctrine to a straw man that you can easily criticize.

>>6700444
Pessimism is no singular school with a shared aim and your favourite type of negative hedonism doesn't have the sole claim to the title of what really constitutes pessimism.

That said, the very notion that pain should be eased relies on an arbitrary value judgement so even the therapeutic type of pessimism you have in mind isn't really sensible beyond its merits as a coping mechanism.

>>6700482
>arbitrary
Precisely that is what pessimists reject, and saying that arbitrary it's a very strong claim to support, as strong as the "everything sucks" ridicule.

perhaps our struggles are depths
in refuge that we refuse

>>6700499
All value judgements are obviously arbitrary.Try to argue in favour of a value judgement without resorting to nonsense, it can't be done.

>>6700307
What's wrong with it? You really think you can definitely say "Life is bad."

Go read some Wittgenstein or some Hume.

At least when winners project their success onto the universe its something enviable. People want to be happy. It's pathetic to see a loser try to drag everyone down in the mud with him.

>>6700569
>People want to be happy. It's pathetic to see a loser try to drag everyone down in the mud with him.
Again missing the point of pessimism.

Read something else aside of reading the wikipedia.

>>6700541
>Completely disregarding the analytic master race

>>6696095
gangly normalfag communist, probably stealth shagged several babes with his phony ''woe is me'' persona

Mishima is the true role model for all intorverted losers.

>>6700618
>can't understand cultural changes
>"fuck it, better just commit seppuku"

>>6700605
Any consistent analytic would agree.

>>6696127
Wanna say that to my face fucker?