/lit/ - Literature

>>6655354
It's sad how much this guy looks like my little brother.

>“The marks humans leave are too often scars.”

Aristotle can suck dick.

Go read Aquinas instead, he was great!

Nice try but I'm still not gonna read Aristotle.

>tfw the school curriculum still teaches dead white men

i mean really, it's 2015 ugh

>>6655354
why won't he floss

People with science degrees don't get taught philosophy. The only exposure a physics major gets to aristotle is to aristotle's naive conceptions about mechanics and how they are profoundly wrong.

>>6655505
Oh wait I thought that was brian greene not john green. He's just an idiot; carry on.

>>6655501
so problematic

>>6655505
why does one of my philosophy professors have a bachelors in physics then

>>6655505
A semester in phil is mandatory bro.

>>6655520
There is a big difference between a BA in physics and a BS in physics.
>>6655525
Not where I went.

>>6655501
>tfw the decline of western academia has yet to affect your country
Feels good, can't wait for this trend to die

>>6655532
U went to a shit uni in a shit country then.

>>6655537
It's not a trend, you're just on the

>wrong side of history

>>6655571
Can't wait for this trend to die alongside its memes

>>6655532
He has a B.S. in physics

>>6655544
It was one of the best schools for engineering in the US. Engineering departments always offer overspecialized educations so I suppose that the physics department was affected by the engineering department's teaching philosophy.

>>6655637
>in the US
there you go.

>The Odyssey is like so dumb. Odysseus has sex with like a ton of girls but he's going to kill Penelope if she's not faithful? That's not very feminist, Ody. You got some learnin' to do.

>Now for today's thought bubble: a little tiny Lysistrata figurine. Oh Homer, we can't possibly hold you accountable for not being a feminist in ancient Greece, after all, it's not like feminism existed back then, oh wait, it totally did, you misogynist pig.

>Back to the Odyssey: is Penelope the true hero of the story? Yes. Yes she is. That's all we have time for today, be sure to like and subscribe and buy tickets to my new movie: The Da Vinci Code with Teenagers.

>>6655661
What are you trying to imply here? US higher education is notorious for being grades 13-16 / unfocused. An engineering major in the US is more likely to take an intro to philosophy class than anywhere else.

>>6655674
Except where phil is mandatory.

>>6655662
Kek. Does he have video on the odyssey?

>>6655674
Oh, the touching naivity of the american.
American has no mandatory philosophy class in high school. Instead you have worthless shit that is literally here to make the retarded ones graduate.

>>6655761

>>6655761
I went to an american (public) high school and we had both a mandatory intro to phil & epistemology class

>>6655774
Good.
How come it is not federal, then ?

These many threads about this irrelevant cunt is getting out of hand.

>>6655778
because it was an IB school so people in a superior nation were responsible for most of the curriculum

>>6655745
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MS4jk5kavy4&t=7m15s

Yes, and he does accuse it of being misogynist. What a great introduction to the original epic by completely missing the point.

>>6655792

>>6655792
>[YouTube] A Long and Difficult Journey, or The Odyssey: Crash Course Literature 201

WOW...I've never seen any of his videos, but this is so bad. The best part is that he probably thinks he is smart. Is it true they show this in schools?

>694,036 views

Oh boy.

>>6655821
yes, though to be honest the history ones arent bad and id use them in class

>>6655799

>>6655828
>id use them in class

I guess they can't be any worse than the Howard Zinn I regularly got in AP US

>>6655501
"UGH"

>>6655835

>>6655799
foucault really made a 180 turn didn't he

>>6655889
you mean 360

>>6655792
I love how not only does he butcher the poem with his inaccuracies and attempts at humour, but then he goes on to a shitty rant about misogyny. I'd say this is embarrassing, but evidently he and people like him have no shame.

>>6655937
shame is a manifestation of the patriarchy m8

>>6655930
console gaming a shit
>let's get a memestreak going

>>6655937

Well this video's purpose isn't actually to teach people how to read the poem. It's about:
1. Getting teenagers familiar with the plot so they can pass the test on friday.
2. Trying to be le funny nerd meme man.
3. Get your pure ideologies heard.
I could also add that all this is just him trying to cash into the latest trends and that he's actually a genuis exploiting his audience like that, but I dunno about that.

>>6655662
I laughed

>>6655980
>le funny nerd meme man.

Kek

>>6655761
>tfw will never be this stupid

>>6655799
>>6655835
>>6655887

>>6656101

>>6656101
10/10

>>6656108
>>6656121
you made me think of monkeys laughing at other monkeys which made me kek

>>6656162
John Greene, please...

>>6656162
what kind of dog is this

>>6655792

Okay, I used to not really give to much of a shit about John Green, but now that he's doing shitty feminist readings of Homer I want to punch him in his smug face.

I've heard and read feminist readings of both the Iliad and the Odyssey which haven't actually been bad, but they didn't fucking pretend Homer was some dude alive in the 20th/21st century. The realised the context of when the fucking poems were written, but not John Green.

Fuck this guy. Fuck him in his pasty white ass.

>>6656213
I think I'm beginning to understand the whole cuck meme.

>>6655520
phil majors have the option of specializing in the philosophy of science, and it's not a huge stretch from there to a BS. You're closer than some cunt doing eastern phil in the middle of the midwest, anyways. idk if physics majors doing mostly philosophy of science is a thing.

>>6655525
Like one semester is really meaningful

>>6655637
>in the US
Wouldn't hire.

>>6655788
fellow IB guy, I see.
We're still a rare and obscure lot.

>>6656213
That's the worst part. He's not only degrading the Odyssey, he's also degrading feminist readings of it and of all literature. A feminist interpretation of women in the Odyssey? Sounds interesting. But John Greene shits it up.

>>6656410

Cause he's a cheap fucking hack. He probably think the presence and activity of the gods in Homer cheapen it or some such nonsense.

When I was in University I read a couple, there was a particularly interesting one about Penelope and Andromache.

>>6655828
Clearly you're a plebe if you'd ever utilize that purile trash

>>6656101
ugh, face palming so hard guys

>>6656595
I don't want to read on this planet anymore.

>>6655537
the jew is eternal, it will never die

>>6655828
The history ones are pretty bad. I binge watched all of US history ones two nights before my AP and it was just awful. So politically biased and so anti-America. Don't get me wrong, I'm not much of a patriot, but to hear all the hate for hours and hours really pissed me off.

>High school students and failing college students will actually watch John Green and take his summaries seriously.

>Shits on Aristotle whenever he can
>Nothing but praise for Thomas Aquinas

...?

>>6658261
He minored in religion at Kenyon, so it's to be expected really

>>6655821
>Is it true they show this in schools?
It is easy to think that the youtube + powerpoint internet culture is actively killing knowledge. Honestly that's what I think most of the time.

The problem is, of course, that those tidbits of entertaining, easy to get, and most importantly self-contained information are infinitely more attractive to the average pleb than structured knowledge.
But there's just no way of going back, the screens and their attraction are everywhere and they are not going away. What I'm hoping for is we will eventually figure out how to use that form of knowledge transmission to actually transmit structured knowledge.

Maybe those simplistic, often moronic "learn [topic] in 5 minutes" videos are the embryo of a legitimate educational medium that will exist in the future.

>>6658255
Failed college student here. I don't take john green at all. Please don't bully.

>>6658234
He's pretty pro america. If anything I was disgusted at his shitting on European history

>Hearing him shill for Persian despotism
Absolutely disgusted tbh

>Hating John Greene for being kitsch and unintelligent/uninformed.
Do you guys hate the salads at McDonalds too?

>>6658423
Never seen his show, but the ancient Persians were closer to us, morality wise, than the ancient Greeks. 300 was weird, making us cheer for warring, slaving, pederasts.

This kind of thread is the same kind of anti feminism thread that appears on /pol/. What is the point? Nobody here likes this guy, most people here think he is dumb and the rest don't care about him. Why make a thread like this? Do you guys feels better after talking shit about him or what?

>>6655662
What's wrong with misogyny?

>>6658447

>>6655792

Why is he famous?
Explain this, please. I'm a yuropoor.

I don't except an academic lesson, but this video is terrible.
This guy is a malicious person.

>>6658595

He caters to the teenagers. Wacky animation, wacky jokes, shit femminist interpretations, the kids love that shit.

>>6655520
Morrisey?

>>6655354
>implying he wasn't

>>6655774
jely

>>6659819
I don't know why, but I actually laughed at this one. I think it was the innocent "rule to remember" that got me.

>>6655828
His history ones are pretty good. Probably his best videos though.

>>6663008
>this thread deserved to be saved from death
why
don't you think there's been enough of this man's face on the page for ever

>Shits on Aristotle whenever he can
>Nothing but praise for Thomas Aquinas

...?

>>6655505
I feel so conflicted on this issue
On one hand I think that it's important (as someone who majored in physics) for science majors to learn and understand the philosophy of science on the other hand I feel like it would be perverted and that you should focus solely on what you major on
Maybe an optional class or two that is pushed by advisors?

>>6655354
I'm sick of dis meme

Harold Bloom is right about America's education system

>>6655501
>tfw you haven't even read the micronesian positivists yet

>>6663018
This is my favourite lit meme

>>6663048
>Maybe an optional class or two that is pushed by advisor?
This is probably the best way.
>I feel like it would be perverted and that you should focus solely on what you major on
How do you figure? Total specialization seems sort of insane to me. No field exists in a vacuum. Developing a basic understanding of multiple fields does not require a huge amount of effort and allows an individual to have level of objectivity towards their own work.

>>6663008
Try watching this video without cringing.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0LsrkWDCvxg

>Reading Cuckrates.
>Nearly all of his dialogue sounds forced, terribly contrived for his benefit, and just utterly stupid setting of rules he sets himself and doesn't question them.

Why do people rate this hack so high

serious question no trole

>>6655828
>good
>this is what Americans actually believe
They are just as bad if not worse, go watch his middle ages vid, his greek vid, and his renaissance vid.
Seriously his sole source is a fucking high school history teacher, he couldn't even put Athens in the right place on his shitty map
>you shouldn't speak on something if you aren't an expert in it
Those are his words mind you. Kill yourself

>>6658444
>the Persians weren't an empire
>the Persians didn't have slaves
Now I've heard it all

Is it true that teachers in Murica force their students to watch this worthless cuck?

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>>6664310
My AP chem teacher played a few of his videos

>>6655969
c-c-combo breaker

>>6659819
>implying run on sentences are real and not just a modern invention that attempts to coddle retards

nicela

>>6664310
lolno
my teachers laughed at any students that tried to push these shit videos on other students

>>6658595

Wrote a tearjerker movie about cancer and made bank, now he thinks he's the shit

>>6664310
>this machine kills fascists
I don't know what Woody Guthrie would have thought about this...

>>6664277
>>Reading Cuckrates.
but Cuckrates didn't leave any writing...
w-wait a minute anon, are you a pleb??

>>6664364
Whatever, Plato and it's been while, yes I'm pleb and I don't understand the significance of these horribly forced scnearions and dialogues.

Please help me to understand.

>>6658261
There he is!

>>6664310
Doesn't his brother do science videos? This is unrelated but how are they? Are they as shitty as John's stuff or are they actually useful?

>>6664359
>apple
>kill fascists
Honestly.

Wait this piece of shit wrote "the fault in our stars"?

Everything makes sense now.

>>6655841
>Amerifats complaining again...

>>6655792
It wasn't that bad until he mentions the "patriarchy" like if he were an obese feminist.

this shit is LITERALLY cuckoldry. you braindead fucks act like you despise green yet you keep posting him and his controversial opinions in some sort of fucked up conflict perpetuation ritual.

you fags are the scum of the earth and the reason this board is shit shit

>>6655555

>>6664464
>le cuck meme
>>>/pol/
>>>/4 and 4chan/

>>6664503
>>le cuck meme
it's relevant because there's usually the implication that green is the cuck

>>6664372
>he doesn't know dialectic

>>6655354
Is this guy along with Kanye and Jaden Smith the philosophers of the 21st century?

>>6664525
yes, he is the philosophers

>>6664525

>implying jaden smith isn't brilliant
>not seeing parellels between jaden smith and other famous philosophers of our past
give him a couple years

>>6658595
In America, we can only accept loud, emotional, or in some way sensational information. Having a long discussion on how Homer conceived of his characters and their meanings is just too boring for schools. We have to cater to the absolute bottom of the barrel, remember, because people freak out when their kids are put in helper classes.

>>6664749
You're one of those people who think Kanye is a genius, aren't you...

>>6664277
>>6664372

There *are* threads on Plato at the moment. Take a look at the threads on Plato's forms or the Crito.

>>6664807

no, kanye is just a ghettochild desperate to prove himself
stop trying to be pretentious
you act like the people you enjoyed weren't ridiculed for the same reasons

>>6664826
Kanye West doesn't come from the ghetto, he's pretty middle class.

>>6664835
that's super not the point
are you one of those people?
fucking /lit/ man nobody here knows shit

>>6655828
>>6663008
You don't know shit about history. Stay ignorant faggots

>>6664853
I don't even know what you're talking about, your haiku format is funny though

>>6664359
The fact its on a mac, probably build by some poor chinese teen.

It's at a point i wonder if he knows it all and is just doing it for the money.

>>6664873
you're the one
who knows
absolutely nothing

>does not reply to snail mail
>even from his mom

John Green confirmed monster.

>>6665023
>not even from his mother

What the fuck.

I can't find this video but John Green is asked why he writes and he replied,

"To get girls obviously."

It's somewhere on Youtube.

>>6656624
Someone with photoshop skills do a shot of sad pepe floating in space infront of earth, holding a book, and wojak floating behind him with his helmet off
bonus points for a destroyed earth with "IDENTITY POLITICS" and "DEGENERACY" exploded into the surface

>>6664277
The rules are only stupid because your IQ is not high enough to reason about them. Socrates' logic is nothing if not fundamentally cohesive.

>>6664800

>how Homer conceived of his characters and their meanings

nigga Homer just wrote down an oral epic that had been told for centuries

>>6666074
bait spotted