/lit/ - Literature

>>6632554
>prefers the familiar to the unknown...the tried to the untried, fact to mystery, the actual to the possible, the limited to the unbounded, the near to the distant, the sufficient to the superabundant, the convenient to the perfect, present laughter to utopian bliss
Who would think this sounds appealing, save an absolutely wretched, desperate creature?

>>6632554
god no

>>6632566
this, you're not doing a very good job of making this sound appealing

>>6632554
>fact to mystery

that's for plebs

>>6632596
You should not understand Based Oakeshott. He is a mystic in the tradition of Lao Tzu and Nicolas of Cusa. He doesn't mean mystery in a deeper philosophical sense, he's just talking about people who turn away from reality.

this is a good list

>>6632783

It's actually a very bad list.

>>6632554
Even if I would, I wouldn't any more after that quote of yours.

>>6632939
Nope

>>6632961
You have the mind of a child.

>>6633051
You have the mind of a grumpy old man.

>let's just stick with what's already done lads fuck things that aren't done already why can't we pause human history in the 1950s forever

>>6633237
The thing that hath been, it is that which shall be; and that which is done is that which shall be done: and there is no new thing under the sun.

>>6634126
Then by definition there is no difference between conservative lit and any other lit, and any preference is merely delusion

>>6632939
It's not a bad list in itself. The namefag posting it is as he hasn't read a single book from that list, and, even if he has read any books from that list, lacks the understanding to understand them anyways.

t. right>implying left wing and right wing dichotomyleaningfag

I thought Heidegger was a post modernist, how is he conservative?

>>6634151
>>implying left wing and right wing dichotomy
That part was meant to be spoilered, oh fug.

>>6634155
I do not think that Heidegger can really be termed a post-modernist, although a lot of his followers were. Post-modernism can be a fairly conservative force because it undermines theoretical pretensions which conservatism - a truly relativistic philosophy, although one fully committed to its present inherited values - always intentionally lacks. Foucault, for example, is a seminal conservative author despite the leftist politics he held in private.

that quote's not very interesting, OP. seems like a philosophy for timid little souls afraid of any exploration.

Guys, I don't think op is pro-conservative.

>>6634155
I think his time was a bit before postmodernism came into full swing, and while some of his thought was certainly influential on many postmodernists, I don't know if he would identify with them.
As for his conservatism, he did seem to be wary of how our culture was advancing and becoming highly dependent on technology and science, and how that was alienating us from older ways of understanding Being, but from what I've read of him, he doesn't seem to fit neatly into any particular camp, and has followers in a lot of different ones.

>>6634208
does it matter what his personal beliefs are? I think the average poster here tends to be leftist but most of us still respect conservative thinkers.

>>6634260
I imagine the average poster here wouldn't know what "leftism" is, especially if they're American.

The hatred for the established in this thread is why art galleries are now spending millions on dead sharks instead of buying actual art. The fetish for the new is a cancer.

>>6634292
>"stuff that used to be new is better than stuff that is new now"
pretty narrow minded

>>6634300
The traditional was never 'new'. It is always an extension of a great thread connecting the present to our most distant ancestors. Your radicalism is sickening and anti-human.

>>6634314
>The traditional was never 'new'
oh come on

we'll talk about art (visual arts) since you mentioned "art museums"

you don't think it was heretical for Michelangelo to go digging up corpses?

and what about all that christian-inspired art? hate to break it to you but there weren't paintings of Jesus before he lived

>>6634390
Your mind lacks subtlety.

>>6634155
You are a fucking idiot, aren't you. What does post-modernism have to do with left-wing/right-wing?

>>6634126
In that case you have nothing to whinge about innit?

>>6632975
confirmative

Hello, I hope this semi-dead thread is good enough to ask my question:

Back when you guys were still making the first conservative literature list someone mentioned a Finnish dude. I think he's a neofascist, and he had some type of manifesto/treaty online. In it he talked about revolution, and I remember he was very concerned with looks/fashion. Anyone knows who I'm talking about?

It's not Pentti Linkola before you mention it

That's an awful quote and I'm questioning your intentions here, OP.

As /lit/ is such a well-behaved, conventionally leftist board by 4chan's standards, it is amusing to see that the mere mention of conservative thought is enough to get people riled.

Have some more. Don Colacho's aphorisms:

don [hyphen] colacho dot blogspot dot com

"The Gospels and the Communist Manifesto are on the wane; the world’s future lies in the power of Coca-Cola and pornography."

"Writing is the only way to distance oneself from the century in which it was one’s lot to be born."

"In the society that is starting to take shape, not even the enthusiastic collaboration of the sodomite and the lesbian will save us from boredom."

"Even small-town grudges are more civilized than the mutual indifference of big cities."

>>6636367

>"Even small-town grudges are more civilized than the mutual indifference of big cities."

rather like that one

>>6635969
Kai Murros?

>>6636367
Absolutely based. I admire Hayek's defence of traditional practices and institutions, even under the layers of autistic social theory he decides to bury it under, but I can never consider him a truly great conservative because he doesn't have the serious anti-modern streak that Colacho demonstrates here. I think all great conservatives have something anti-bourgeois in them, regardless of their social background.

I particularly like Carl Schmitt's portrait of modernity in an early commentary on the poetry of Theodor Daubler (sadly the poem and Schmitt's commentary are not available in full in English - this passage comes from the English translation of Heinrich Meier's sublime The Lesson of Carl Schmitt: Four Chapters on the Distinction between Political Theology and Political Philosophy):

>This age has characterized itself as the capitalistic, mechanistic, relativistic age, as the age of transport, of technology, of organization. Indeed, ‘business’ does seem to be its trademark, business as the superbly functioning means over the end, business which annihilates the individual such that everything must go smoothly and without any needless friction. The achievement of vast, material wealth, which arose from the general preoccupation with means and calculation, was strange. Men have become poor devils; ‘they know everything and believe nothing.’ They are interested in everything and are enthusiastic about nothing. They understand everything; their scholars register in history, in nature, in men’s own souls. They are judges of character, psychologists, and sociologists, and in the end they write a sociology of sociology. Wherever something does not go completely smoothly, an astute and deft analysis or a purposive organization is able to remedy the incommodity. Even the poor of this age, the wretched multitude, which is nothing but ‘a shadow that hobbles off to work,’ millions who yearn for freedom, prove themselves to be children of this spirit, which reduces everything to a formula of its consciousness and admits of no mysteries and no exuberance of the soul. They wanted a heaven on earth, heaven as the result of trade and industry, a heaven that is really supposed to be here on earth, in Berlin, Paris, or New York, a heaven with swimming facilities, automobiles, and club chairs, a heaven in which the holy book would be the timetable. They did not want a God of love and grace; they had ‘made’ so much that was astonishing; why should they not ‘make’ the tower of an earthly heaven? After all, the most important and last things had already been secularized. Right had become might; loyalty, calculability; truth, generally acknowledged correctness; beauty, good taste; Christianity, a pacifist organization. A general substitution and forgery of values dominated their souls. A sublimely differentiated usefulness and harmfulness took the place of the distinction between good and evil. The confounding was horrific.

>>prefers the familiar to the unknown...the tried to the untried, fact to mystery, the actual to the possible, the limited to the unbounded, the near to the distant, the sufficient to the superabundant, the convenient to the perfect, present laughter to utopian bliss

So basically, conservative is another word for boring cunt

>>6636957
To a civilised human being who is well read and well studied and can truly communicate with the profound inheritance that is his culture, the familiar is the complete opposite of 'boring'. I will pray that you might one day reach such a mode of being, friend.

>>6632783
does one of these exist for "left-wing" writings?

>>6637057
'Chavs' by Owen Jones and 'How to Get Upset Over Nothing and Earn a Living Doing It' by Anita Sarkeesian.

>>6636392
yes!! that's the one! thanks

>>6636367
>conservative thought
>we live in the hindu dark ages just be a psychedelic warrior sage who rides tigers breh

>>6638112
>muh julia ebola

Get fucked and stop caricaturing conservatism. He isn't taken seriously in our circles.

>>6638710
You have your fellow right wing lads on 4chan to blame for that, not the people who take notice of it.

>>6636993
People who only like the familiar are never well studied since they can't be bothered to read the Greeks because it's different from what they know.

>>6638788
>greeks
>not part of our Giest
pick one leftcuck

>>6638850
They positively aren't, even Spengler knew that.