/lit/ - Literature

>>6581322
seconded

>>6581322
tripled

>>6581325
>>6581406

>>6581419
Fifted

>>6581322
>I've come to the realization that I've completely forgotten all of the technical jargon when it comes to the language.
What do you mean?

>>6581435
I would never be able to tell you most parts of speech, or how the words actually work with each other and how sentences are structured. My knowledge of English basically comes from living in an English speaking country. I'm fluent, but the actual finer details of the language are lost on me. If someone was to tell me about past participles or what the fuck ever, I would never have any idea what they were talking about.

I'm not a complete retard, I know what nouns, verbs, adverbs, etc. are, but the more complicated aspects of the language are far beyond me.

>>6581322
How about the Princeton Review one?

>>6581322
Just read Ulysses over and over again until you can't read or write in any other way.

strunk and white right?

>>6581322 (OP)
There is The Grammar Book: An esl/efl teacher's course. Helps explain the why for modern English grammar (the whole debate of the split-infinitive is just one example of something that is about basic grammar but getting into the meat of it requires you to understand latin roots and other things). More pragmatic, possibly faulty especially if you were familiar with linguistics. Should only be read after understanding basic grammar.

There is Garner's Modern American usage. From A-Z, a list of words that are worth discussing. Some essays on bigger topics, also within the A-Z list (split-infinitive would be under S). Only read this later, and if you are American. I am positive there is a British version but I don't know the name (it is famous just can't remember).

Of course, these are books you read after you understand the basics of grammar, and that
>>6581455
is what you are looking for, not the above.

I also am looking for that book. I have asked /lit/ three times now over a month for it and they still don't have an answer.

I am considering just reading MLA/wiki/online info since it may that this information is very easy to understand and would only take a day to get it. I could just be over-preparing. Maybe you are too OP

no but really /lit/ just fucking give me a text with some authority on how English grammar works

Collins Cobuild is great.
It also points out differences in grammar use in UK and USA, and their peculiarities.

It's well segmentated so you can't get lost while you're reading it.

It's about 500 pages, I think, but it explains things pretty well; it might even appear too easy at some parts.
ISBN-10: 0007393644
There is a .pdf somewhere on the internet if you don't want to buy a hard copy.

>>6583203
Nice.

How does this compare to the Oxford University Press books on grammar? An anon mentioned them but I couldn't navigate their site to find the book(s) that were definitely what he was referencing.

>>6583203
Found a pdf

Is this it?

http://www.stiba-malang.com/uploadbank/pustaka/ENGLISH%20GRAMMAR%20BOOK.pdf

My problem lies more in making a unique style or at the very least branching off a bit.
There was something about a traditional book on writing style posted here that fit the bill pretty well.
The ____ of Style
Style: _____ ____
You've probably realized that I don't remember much about it other than the word 'style' in the title.

Just googled "english grammar syllabus" and came up with a bunch of college courses, MANY of which seem to use Understanding English Grammar (Kolln & Funk).

>>6583219
Elements of Style by Strunk and White?

>>6583220
Nice.

>>6583224
That's the one. Thanks, muchacho.

>>6583212
Yes, this is the older version, however, I did not find many differences when I had to switch to it from the paper copy from 2011.
>>6583208
I haven't read the Oxford one but from seeing it's contents on amazon, it seems to be too concerned about clauses and sentences.
CC builds up from nouns, prepositions, etc.; also I havent seen a better section on verbs and phrasal verbs in any grammar textbook except in a textbook on verbs by a professor from my university who had dedicated all his life to studying verbs.

>>6583212
here is the 2011 version but in .epub
http://libgen.org/book/index.php?md5=fcbd1ef6bfcbd348ac28f14ae8df69cd

>>6583281
I love you, anon.

I really do.

If you really really want to master English grammar (or the language in general), learn another language, preferably Latin, and try to translate a few texts.

>>6583375
Latin because of the roots?

What if you don't go with latin or greek. What would be the next best? A romantic language, a Germanic one? Neither?

>>6583313

>>6583398
He's probably thinking of working with language in general while learning another, however, Latin is by far the most formal which is why it's the best choice following the above intended idea.

>>6583566
How the hell do you even learn Latin? Where do you begin with a dead language?

>>6583607
Not that guy but it's actually a lot easier and you're a lot more likely to learn it than if you try to learn a living language

Mostly because 99% of people who think they are learning German or French are just doing stupid bullshit like Duolingo, and people who are learning Latin are using a proper grammar textbook. The failures of the latter accomplish more than the "successes" of the former.

>>6583607
If you are from US
>either
join a monastery and get butt blasted really hard
>or
take a trip to Europe and exhume a Roman corpse and talk to the bones maybe they tell you something.

I found a PDF of Understanding English Grammar by Kolln and Funk. It seems really thorough, so it might be worth checking it.

>>6584094
Link?

The Cambridge Grammar of the English Language

>Strunk & White