/lit/ - Literature

>>6538782
why does everyone hate Rand. I am not familiar with her but everyone hates her, but I never hear a real reason. I'd greatly appreciate an answer.

>>6538914
She is American arrogance incarnate.

i'm not amerifat and i'd honestly never even heard of her prior to discovering /lit/

because /lit/ and the internet in general is a place that is sympathetic to collectivism and in opposition to capitalist thought, Ayn Rand is the antithesis of socialism/marxism, and therefore a lot of people hate her.

>>6538914
To be fair I think it's her fans which cause most of the disdain.

>>6539025
She is every bit as bad as her fans are though.

>>6538914
she's the father of neoliberalism.

it's not just her work either. go listen to her talk. she's an obnoxious twat who's amazingly full of herself for someone non-American.

brb drunk shitposting in a shit thread so I can excuse my shit questions.

Should I read Dune or Pet Sematary? I realize they aren't that similar of books but they were the only good books my roommate had in his box of shit. I have a few other options but not sure which to read first:
Don Quixote
Finnegan's Wake
The Iliad (durr start with Greeks)
War & Peace
The Brothers Karamazov
I'm halfway done Crime & Punishment but figured I would take a short break so I don't "chug a $2000 dollar bottle of wine" but I plan to finish it soon (this week)

Is Infinite Jest a meme or actually worth reading?

Where do I start with philosophy? I don't want to obtain this knowledge to become so smug faggot (lol who am I kidding)

Is Stirner that good? or just a fedoracuckmeme?

Where do I start with people like Hegel, Stirner, Kierkegaard, Proust or other "top-tier" names mentioned on this forum.

>These 5 litres of wine $15 is fucking me up bruh

>>6539085
I wasn't really planning to read War & Peace/The Brothers Karamazov til after Crime and Punishment

>>6538782
Most white men don't read. Most people in general dont read. That list + your post is stupid.

>>6539113
says the guy who replies to the wrong thread

>>6539085
Start with Finnegans Wake and continue from there. The Greeks meme is shit and I would recommend you to read some Marx and then Nietzsche.

>>6538782

this
the hero riding a giant worm into battle
calling Dr. Freud

>>6538914
Only commies hate her.

>>6538923
>american

>>6539052
>for someone non-American.
>>6539329
>implying
She WAS an American. Anyone who comes to America and becomes a citizen is an American. That's the thing about America.

>>6538914
She was a poor-to-mediocre writer of crappy thrillers who convinced herself and a handful of her fans that she was the greatest thinker to ever live.

>>6539085
Throw away Finnegan's Wake, itnwill never be read.

>>6539333
"That`s the thing" with citizenship in just about all countries.

reading so many butthurt comments about her actually propels me to read her books

>>6539356
This is probably bait, but nobody on /lit/ has a problem with others reading. You're wasting nobody's time but your own.

>>6539360
>reading the works of a notable author
>ever a waste of time

you think i should ignore things that express certain views because i'm unlikely to like or agree with them? i come across references to rand every now and then, and the opinions seem to be pretty polarised, so to my mind reading at least one of her books would be useful even if only it allowed me to hold a conversation about it when people bring it up

rather than, you know, bashing something on the basis of a wikipedia article on it or whatever

>>6539344
You give her too much credit

rand haters being petulant children as per usual.

>>6539414
The thing is her fictional works are excessively long. Read her non-fiction if you are interested.

>>6539418
The funny thing is that Rand haters behave in the stereotypical fashion described by Rand.

>>6539344
She was an ok writer. Pretending her work was philosophical and even giving it a name was retarded.

>>6539418
No, they don't. Rand proclaimed herself a philosopher and, at the same time, got totally butthurt if anyone even considered the possibility of the reality being something else/more than what we can see. She hated even considering other options! That's the very antithesis of a philosopher.

>>6539346
Too long of a book or what's your reasoning behind this?

>>6539580

I think you really misunderstand the concept of existential strength.

>>6538782
I'll get flak for this, but honestly I like her.

Don't get me wrong, there are problems with her thought, and she is rather arrogant, but she's not "wrong" on a lot of this.

I enjoyed Atlas Shrugged, I enjoyed the Fountainhead, I enjoyed Anthem. And since the Atlas Scoiety-ARI split, the philosophy has grown some, making it an open system was necessary to correct a lot of the errors she made.

I also find it funny how board that basically worships Max Stirner bashes Ayn Rand, because she's egotistical and proud.

>>6539645
People try to bash Max too.

This board is infested with many a beta cuck. And they seem to hate anyone with an ego.

Also Rand is kinda a meme if you have been here for 4years plus there was a phase where she was overly posted and bannable material at one point.

The resentment of that time remains, but many people are new and just following the monkey see monkey do emotional reaction

>>6539651

>People try to bash Max too.

And they fail. Just as Marx did with his pathetic 600 page long ad Hominen attack.


>Also Rand is kinda a meme if you have been here for 4years plus there was a phase where she was overly posted and bannable material at one point.The resentment of that time remains, but many people are new and just following the monkey see monkey do emotional reaction

I was not aware of that, actually. It explains all the butthurt though.

>>6538914
Go read her philosophical books and you'll understand

>>6539645
If you think she's not wrong when it comes to Objectivism then you're a fucking moron.
No real philosopher has ever taken her seriously.