/lit/ - Literature

>>>/r9k/, >>>/soc/ etc.

>>6484354
Without wanting to go HURR DURR REDPILL. It really is mostly about your social status and your looks.

>>6484354

>>>/pol/
>>>/r9k/
>>>/soc/
>>>/v/

how fucking stupid are you OP?
>NEWS = ALL REALITY OH MY GOD WE'RE FUCKED

People from the 1900's are smarter than you

>pacific NW of US
>sign up for local bookclub
>all full of 20-something bohemian type women with one or two exceptions
Keep it to yourself.
First rule of bookclubs/usenet/fight club, don't tell anybody else about bookclubs/usenet/fight club.

>>6484354

>british men are too sensitive, i dont wanna date one ever again
>but i hate men that are not sensitive

Is this why third wave feminism is the worst thing ever?
>tfw your uni is filled with "feminist" students

I still have no idea what they fuck they're fighting for

>>6484354
OH NO! SOME CELEBRITY SAID SOMETHING KIND OF CONTRADICTORY! HOW WILL I EVER GET LAID NOW!?

fuck off

>>6484376

most people hold emma in high regards

you're an idiot if you can't see the impact of this statement and how it voices the opinions of many

Im dating a Russian qt3.14 that is getting her phd in comparative literature. Stop being autistic, OP.

>>6484380
>most people hold emma in high regards
As an actress or a sex symbol, maybe. What kind of idiot expects actors to do anything substantial other than look pretty and show off their mansions?

>>6484374
>I still have no idea what they fuck they're fighting for
Neither do they. I guess that makes you a feminist too.

WHY IS LIT FILLED WITH SO MANY /R9K/ FAGGOTS?

FUCKING GET OUT, ROBOTS

REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

Feminism is just a new expression of women's natural predisposition towards complaining, nagging and shirking responsibility. They're not fighting gender roles, just broadcasting their own womanness on a larger scale than ever before. Learn when to ignore them, when to chastise them and when to placate them. Don't try to relate to a woman as you would a man.

>>6484380

You're an idiot for holding her in high regard.

>>6484384
>What kind of idiot expects actors to do anything substantial other than look pretty and show off their mansions?

Unfortunately a lot of these idiots exist.

>needing sex or any kind of romance in your life

P L E B
L
E
B

>>6484390

I don't though
>>6484384
untrue, you are very removed from society

>>6484394
If you haven't experienced romance then you won't understand most literature. How could an asexual virgin appreciate the magnificence of Shakespeare's sonnets, for example?

>>6484401

can I tip my fedora at you sir

fuck you are cringe inducing,

>>6484401
>if you haven't experienced murdering a man, then you can't appreciate Crime & Punishment
>if you haven't experienced going through transgender surgery, then you can't appreciate Orlando: A Biography
>if you haven't experienced being trapped on an island full of animal-human hybrid experiment monsters, then you can't appreciate The Island of Dr. Moreau

>>6484403
>virgin detected

>>6484401
A strong contender for most retarded post of the day.

>>6484380
You're a fuckless paranoid cunt

>>6484429

no I'm not, get over yourself

>>6484380
Nobody cares about what's written in this paper, or what Emma Watson says for that matter, except the idiots who are seeking for something pointless and harmless to care about and people payed to pretend to care so that the first category of idiot feels justified in caring.

>>6484429
>>6484429
nah man
many people don't actually realize this obvious truth about women, it just makes us sad
it used to make me happy that i would look more attractive in comparison but i've gotten older and i realize that there are going to be even more supreme gentlemen out there than currently and something foul will come out of it - does it not scare you?

>>6484442

Also known as the majority of the population

>>6484401
You know how I know you don't understand Shakespeare's sonnets?

>>6484420
>>if you haven't experienced murdering a man, then you can't appreciate Crime & Punishment
>>if you haven't experienced going through transgender surgery, then you can't appreciate Orlando: A Biography
>>if you haven't experienced being trapped on an island full of animal-human hybrid experiment monsters, then you can't appreciate The Island of Dr. Moreau

The writers of those books hadn't experienced those things either; they were speculative. Whereas everyone who has written about love has experienced it and knows it. I speak from the POV of someone who experienced his first love relatively late and can therefore compare what it's like to read a love sonnet with and without knowledge of love. There is something missing; it's like reading a poem written in a language that you aren't fluent in.

>>6484401
>Muh Shakespeare
Shakespeare: "an old black ram
Is topping your white ewe."

>>6484449
You know how I know that it is in fact you who probably hasn't even read all of Shakespeare's sonnets?

>>6484453
>implying there haven't been writers who murdered someone or who have gone through the surgery to become the other gender and then decided to write about their experience

>>6484461
>>implying there haven't been writers who murdered someone

I can think of writers who fought in the World Wars, and it's true that a reader who never experienced war will never truly understand those writings.

You don't pay attention to what women say. You pay attention to their actions. Women's words are meaningless.

>>6484461
>writers sometimes have 1st person experience instead of 2nd hand research

wow. u totally blew my mind

>>6484354
only betas want gfs

>>6484354
>be autismo no-kiss at 20, June of 2013
>never even fapped before
>By December 31st I've met 30 girls and had sex with half of them

I'm only average looking, you're making it out to be harder than it actually is.

>>6484465
>implying I didn't understand The Things They Carried

>>6484354
i went to watch the sunrise at the lake this morning and found a girl resting on a bench so i went up to her and said hello but she said she had to run and wished me a good day... i guess she was resting from a jog so she set off and i just said thanks but my voice went up at the end like it was more of a question than an expression of gratitude... idk man... the setting was so perfect with the lake and the sunrise... girls are dumb... i guess i should have run after her... but maybe that would be too much... whatever...

>>6484458
I have actually studied them holistically, and many of them independently, writing analyses both of the collection and of individual sonnets. The most common theme among them is a satire of the facile romanticism to which you, and most uneducated plebs who think Shakespeare is "so romantic" were attributing to them.

>>6484488
Fuck off, retard. Stop lying.

>>6484472
>only betas want gfs
I want r9k to leave ;_;

>>6484488

>lul shakespeare was totally against getting laid and love and intimacy. see! he even made fun of it in his sonnets according to my reading of his sonnets! see it's ok to be a virgin ! lol

>>6484488
>The most common theme among them is a satire of the facile romanticism to which you, and most uneducated plebs who think Shakespeare is "so romantic" were attributing to them.

That's a superficial reading. Obviously sonnets like 130 are satires of traditional Pertrarchan sonnets; any idiot can see that. But they're only satirical in form, not in content. Read Sonnet 29 or 116 and tell me they're not completely earnest.

>>6484447
Not really. The majority of the population care about their jobs, their families, their friends and hobbies, and a few principles they held dear like the right of not being murdered on the street for wearing a funny hat. People who actually care about this "scandal" enough to talk about it for more than an hour ? They're not so many. The part of the internet that revolves around commenting those articles is mostly bored people and paid shills.

And the bottom line is, those who do really care about it are hapless idiots who have to resort to caring about this kind of things precisely because they can't ass themselves into doing anything better.

What people itt have called "society" is merely that small hot-headed subset of the internet that often makes news in shit media venues for some irrelevant scandal, until everyone forgots about it and it is replaced by yet another irrelevant fake scandal. Most people who hear about it or read it aren't part of it. It should be called "the society of noise" really.

It's 90% game at this point, honestly.

It used to be different because while women had fuckloads of options, they weren't bombarded by !!YOU HAVE FUCKLOADS OF OPTIONS!! every ten seconds, and felt bad about being slutty. They were your coworkers and colleagues and friends of friends, and you dated them because their crazy-ass ovarian hurricane sex drive made them susceptible to your 4/10 face on the exact day that you happened to do something involuntarily charming in front of them. And then they were stuck with your dumb ass.

But now, women are bombarded by testaments to their high market value every second of every day. They are on Tinder, OKCupid, and a half dozen other things all at once, and they are tits-deep in a culture that forcibly submerges their still-present guilt complex over being slutty by telling them that the secret to averting the guilt is being EVEN SLUTTIER and trumpeting it from the rooftops (in a positively reinforcing spiral or whoredom). They are far, far less likely to settle for the ordinary or sub-ordinary man in the workplace, because his inadvertently charming display, delivered with perfect timing during their ovarian susceptibility window as usual, was flanked by two hours spent swiping left on Tinder and allowing men to grovel at their virtual feet on OKCupid. You can still win in the traditional manner, but it's no longer a process of self-improvement and patience. There is a growing crowd of men who are completely excluded, and who otherwise would have found girlfriends. Hypergamy is back.

That's why it's 100% game now. I have no chance, absolutely no chance in the conventional dating economy. I am a terrible boring unattractive autistic man with lousy social skills and I hate going out. I have essentially never been on a conventional date and I've essentially never asked a woman out in the conventional sense. But I have five dates with five different girls over the next four days, and I can get laid pretty much any time I want, because I have an adequate set of stock personalities and behaviours and pick-up strategies to affect when I'm scattershotting 6-10/10s on dating sites. Many of these techniques include being outright belligerent, and all of them are based on being aggressive and "not boring" like all the "conventional" men she's dealing with (fun fact: they mock these guys openly).

Fuck clubs. Clubs are retarded. If you want to get laid, construct a Zyzz knockoff persona and practice being halfway funny and forceful on dating sites. I've fucked my way through about half the college chicks in this city by doing this. Fuck what's conventional, "acceptable," "normal," and especially fuck what chicks tell you they want to hear. Just be aggressive and display high value from the outset (lie, even). I'm in my late twenties and I fuck teenagers constantly despite entirely because I have an ounce of game. We're back in the wilderness, motherfucker. Learn to ride a zebra and you can have unlimited pussy.

>>6484509

This is completely untrue

You are very removed from society, /lit/ is in the minority here man

>>6484513
Spoken like a bitter unloved fool. I don't bother about any of that shit and guess what I've had plenty of fulfilling relationships with women and my sex life is great. It's a game if you make it a game; for the rest of us it's just life.

Attention everyone in this topic: people saying that romance is required to understand Shakespeare are trolling you. That is all.

>>6484533
Tell that to the endless pool of relatively normal guys who are virgins into their mid-twenties these days, and for whom the WOOOOOOOO #YOLO POUR CHAMPAGNE IN MY GAPED ASSHOLE~ nightlife culture seems like a dystopian orgyporgy nightmare scenario.

It's not normal for so many men to be virgins for so long. Our psychology and physiology evolved in an context where we'd have families and be old men by 28, and now there are 28 year old virgins who are still "waiting for their turn."

I have fucked endless rebounding chicks and virgins whose first reaction on breaking up with their high school boyfriend was to get dicked by a 27 year old who seems like he has a lot of money via the internet. And then I've watched them conclude our last encounter, in which I fucked them against the eleventh story window of an office building and came on their tits in a kitchenette, by getting dressed and expressing their regret that we have to quit having all this fun because they're getting more serious with the nice guy they've been cuddling with at college.

The shit college chicks are capable of these days is fucking mind-boggling. Just a forewarning to any optimists and romantics out there.

>>6484547
The average age for loss of virginity is like 17, autismo

>>6484547

wjat country do you live in?

I don't understand the UK mang. The girls are obviously all slutty but I never hear about or even see grills being approached irl. Is going clubbing or using tinder the only option? I'm not a 9/10 looking male so I don't see how either of those can work

>>6484547
I could never imagine doing any of that. Not because I find it particularly repugnant what college girls do, but because I have absolutely no sex-drive. It seems like intimacy -- more than confiding into a friend -- requires sexual experiences, which is why I've accepted the fact that I will only have friends to share my problems with. I don't think I'll ever have a lover, a partner, because I don't think I can give them something as essential as sex. I mean it doesn't perturb me, but I do think it would be nice to have something that is deeper than friends.

>>6484569
>>6484561
YOU HAVEN'T EVEN TRIED YET

Mopey shits

>>6484547
dude, people are fucking more than ever before

I think she wants the middleground between mumbly beta and anal rapist

>>6484387
Fun fact: /lit/ started as a thread on /r9k/ that got too large so moot made a board for us.

Is it that hard to keep an interesting talk with a girl?

>>6484573
I have tried. I've been in two relationships wherein I couldn't have sex with them. I even tried tinder and still lacked a sex drive. I guess the only option is for me to take a Viagra, just so I don't ruin the next relationship if I ever get one (the last one was 3 years ago). I like how you're telling me about my life when you don't know shit, you dull faggot.

>>6484577
/r9k/ is just an offshoot of emo/gaia fags taking over /b/

half this website is just an extension of /b/

>>6484502
Lel I'm not the same guy that said he's opposed to sex/romance. I've had a few relationships with sex involved.
>>6484503
Obviously it's more complex than "romance is bad". I saw it largely as a deconstruction of romance, with a different sonnets exploring different perspectives. Nobody shares all of the perspectives experientially anyway (including Shakespeare himself), so to say you need experience to understand the work is silly. He's examining how people view sex and romance from multiple angles. More necessary than experience with these topics, is having read the older works on them that Shakespeare references. Having read the classics is far more helpful in understanding Shakespeare than having inserted your penis into a woman's vagina.

just be gay

it's so hot right now

you could end up fucking more girls as a result of boning your bros if you're reasonably attractive and act as sexually ambiguous as possible in public

>>6484561
Tinder usually sucks. Clubbing is really formulaic and the one night stand formula sucks.

I get my best hookups from sites where hooking up isn't explicitly the point. Just break expectations and be exciting and funny, and display some sort of value (seriously, tout anything you have that implies prestige, wealth, any form social capital).

It's miserable but at least it vents the need for sex without cucking you in the process.

>>6484569
Look for nice girls who have only ever been in LTRs, and if you're really worried about not being able to have sex (like, you're actually sexually dysfunctional), just look for girls in their late 20s who are looking to settle down. But make sure it isn't after taking 30,000 dicks, which is most women in that age-range looking to settle.

In all my time trying to find qt gfs, I've come across ONE girl who wasn't a whore, and she's some sort of diamond in the rough Catholic girl. I've found a lot of sweethearts who wouldn't have been whores if the culture were better, but they all became whores while I knew them, or after breaking up with me.

Wait,
how is she a feminist?
This makes little to no sense.
She is against the objectification of women,
but also for it?

>>6484613

but all online dating has shitloads more men than women

>>6484608
>Having read the classics is far more helpful in understanding Shakespeare than having inserted your penis into a woman's vagina.

I think the opposite is true not just of Shakespeare but of all literature worth a damn. Literature but a simulacrum of actual lived experience, as Shakespeare himself makes reference to in several of the sonnets. If you have knowledge of the signified then you can also understand the signifier, but the reverse is not true.

>>6484615
there's a difference between advocating equality and preferring forward men.

>>6484643
Then why isn't Hugh Hefner the world's most renown Shakespeare scholar?

>>6484660
too busy getting laid

>>6484368
press back then was more funny

If you can't get a girl just read a good VN. You get the sexual and the emotional aspect of a relationship (not that I ever had one, but it works just fine for me).

>>6484650
But she specifically says men should not be aggressive.
I presume it is a ruse to foster fame on her part.

>>6484698
They just do this all the time. It's not a contradiction in their minds. They think
>What would make me feel best to say?
>I would feel best if everything could be happy lovey dovey and I could seem like a progressive feminist hero and get lots of clapping!
>Therefore I will say the correct sensitive nice feminist thing, because I will feel best.

Then later when it feels best to completely contradict this, they'll do that. They feel no contradiction whatsoever, because they followed their feelings in all cases. That is what's important.

>>6484698
she said shouldn't _have_ to be.
and i'm sure it isn't.

"Boo hoo, getting a gf is impossible."

Oh wait it's fucking not, take a look around and you'll notice that the vast majority of people manage. Quit whining and accept the fact that the problem lies with you, and then live with it or make a change.

>>6484709
True,
but we already know this.

>>6484650
Also,
what "Equality" are we referring to?
Can you define it specifically?
This is a rather crucial part of the topic,
and if I am not answered I will have to assume the notion is a farce.

>>6484714
neither emma watson or any of the "new feminists" are saying anything new.

>>6484676
True,
just do not bother with relationships,
basically.
Self mastery is the only thing that matters.

>>6484721
noun, plural equalities.
1.
the state or quality of being equal; correspondence in quantity, degree, value, rank, or ability:
promoting equality of opportunity in the workplace.
2.
uniform character, as of motion or surface.
3.
Mathematics. a statement that two quantities are equal; equation.

>>6484711
yeah but they have fuck ugly girlfriends 4 years younger than them at 20

>>6484728
>the state or quality of being equal
Which is available in most european/ american states.
Watson is a citizen of the United Kingdom, if I am not mistaken.

>quantity
Socialist. Not interested.

>rank
Possible in Europe/ America.
The woman should be skilled,
however, and more skilled than a man.

>ability
Rests on the woman herself.

>promoting equality
Definition contains the word it is defining?

>opportunity in the workplace
Already available in Europe/ America.

>>6484613
Nice to see that someone has opened his eyes. The way things are developing, things are not looking good for the average man. I think this also leads to increasingly higher competition between males which have to fulfill an ever-increasing higher standard to get with a lady which is being bombarded by huge amount of attention. The true face of hypergamy is ugly indeed.

How long have you been lifting, and when did it start to give you results?

>>6484743
What are you "dudebros" doing here?
Do you read Hemingway?

>>6484612
Tbh I'm bisexual and this is pretty true. It's a weird life but sex with men is do easy and since gay guys often have a lot of girl friends you can start making the rounds

>>6484748
Oh no one of it's agents has found me! And it's spelled Hemmingway, thank you very much.

>>6484613
>I've found a lot of sweethearts who wouldn't have been whores if the culture were better, but they all became whores while I knew them,
no, the true nature of women is what they are today

>>6484761
How do I become gay? At this point all I want is someone to discuss books with and to make shitty puns with me all day in front of vidya. Girls don't do that (at least the ones I know.

I'm OP and I got bored of the only Hemingway but OK I started.

>"he looked in to her eyes and they felt so romantic hurrdurr"

No m80, he just wanted sum fuk.

F Scott Fitzgerald is the true patrician red pill author

>>6484708
In one. Feels Before Reals.

Arguing rationally with a woman is impossible, if you even engage you only stand to lose or work to be in the same position you went in as.

>>6484781
>all I want is someone ... to make shitty puns with me all day in front of vidya.

Try Reddit you lonely faggot.

>>6484782
It's no surprise that a red piller would relate to a beta like FItzgerald rather than Hemingway.

>>6484819
Reddit is cancer tier as is /lit/ and most of the internet if you stay too long. Like Chernobyl.
I want palpable tits.

>>6484708
>>6484809

I'll do both of you one better.

During the 70's, we discovered this level of moral thinking, empiraclly, through Kohlberg's stages.

One of the disturbing revelations was that men were far more skewed to level 4, while most women were clustered around level 3.

Granted, neither gender had many representatives at level 5 and 6, but Kohlberg, like Hegel, stated that level 4 ethics is required for civilization.

>We live in a world of strangers
>Therefore, we need a formal ethical system to deal with strangers
>But only Law and Order provides that formalized Ethics.

Again, there is empirical proof to demonstrate Post-Modernism extends from being incapable of understanding formal systems, but it would undermine nearly all of academia in the process.

And it would effectively make prominent Anarchist thinkers like Hedges and Chomsky, into demagogues instead of 'critical thinkers.'

>>6484837

>Finally, one can tell when someone cannot understand a moral system, because they attack the poster, rather than the content.
>So alot of women have to resort to insults, because they can't understand formalized ethical system.
>RACIST! SEXIST! PATRIARCHY!

>>6484837
it sure is spooky here

>>6484781
Pro tip: don't.

Just find a good girl. Are there good girls? Yes, but they are young. Sheltered young girl going to Christian schools. Are you an atheist like me? (*tip*) It doesn't matter. Bond her before she leaves her family. Keep her around. She'll be polite and listen to what you have to say, due to your seniority you command some respect, also because you are male and their instincts are not yet stunted by feminism.

Talk about books. Be enthusiastic about them. Debate philosophy. Bring it in context with the world. Make it sound relevant and interesting, because it is. She'll engage in discussion soon enough, having read up a bit on it, because she wants to adapt to you.

I did it with just this plan: find a girl you think has a nice personality, is sheltered, cute, looks good. Went out with those criteria in my head because I'm a radical anti-modernist. 24 yo, chatted up a 16yo girl, now 3 years later we are engaged.

I think I did her well, because I helped her to develop an interest in things that matter more than rampant modernist activities. You might enjoy the thought of mentoring someone and your prize is a cute girl that loves to discuss books with you.

>>6484861
I agree with you for the most part m8 but why are you saying it like you're a wizard

>>6484861
>I want to date a person who is mentally a child cause grown-ups are scary

this board is fucking worthless

>>6484881

cry more, pussy

>>6484481
How?

>>6484868
I could have ended up like one, because I'm a social tard.

During college I sold websites to small tech-illiterate small business owners. I routinely spaghettied my pitch, but I became more organized, produced a portfolio, just stated what I can do and generally talked less and let images do the talking for me.

I really could have easily ended up as a wizard, and of course I was an outcast at school. Not completely, but my social group wasn't exactly the popular crowd.

My conclusions were drawn from observations while my actions were a necessity to get a gf I could love. My previous 2 relationships were short and not satisfying.

>>6484869
This is not quite correct. the problem is that the "grown-ups" you talk about are basically children in mind and anima. Instead I chatted up a child and mentored her into expanding her anima and maturity. As there was no grown up woman to be found at college, I had to make one.

Just like with my job: there was none for me, so I hustled shitty websites. It's the premise of freedom, capitalism and traditionalism (= getting things done yourself, if big brother fails to provide).

>>6484891
>small small
ah, well.

okay first, the best way to live your life is in the celibacy


if you are too beta in needing a companion, then seek out a relationship in your forties. Before this, do not make plans with girls. Take them as they come and leave.
Calculate the cost/yield of each female.
yield = pleasure you get from her/pain she brings upon you

always have between 1 and 4 girls at your disposal. Beyond 4, it becomes not manageable.

With this, the longest girl will be used for less than a year.
the typical length of a relation will be 3--6 months.
Do not hesitate to get some 10/10 18yo escort for a few bucks/hour, if you need to fill the gap between two FWB.

Do not make babies
Do not marry

that is all to have a successful sexual and romantic life.

>>6484891
>This is not quite correct.

It really is. You talk about forming her character sp that there can't be any conflicts and you need her to have power over her cause you are scared and insecure.

>>6484915
*typos

seriously lack of houellebecq (PBUH) citation in this thread

>>6484577
And back then /arcanine/ wasn't burning garbage infested with autistic virgins hellbent on hatefucking the corpse of the boards intended purpose as on OC generator

The fall of /r9k/ is the most ironic thing I have ever witnessed, but looking back it couldn't have happned any other way. Also I miss the robot.

>Not getting muted for 30 hours

>>6484910
look at his shoes. now look at his faces

Holy shit delete this fucking thread already you fucking mountaindew slurping thundercunt mod.

>>6484354
/fitlit/ threads, though rare, tend to be extremely entertaining

>>6484354
Not all women are the same you fucking idiot. What some tart thinks doesn't represent the majority.

Do not post this shit on /lit/. You have a board, fuck off. No one here cares about you unintelligent delusional losers who believe the world is against them because the two women they've ever tried to ask out wouldn't suck their dicks.

Don't be anglo or date anglo women.

>>6484934

>im offended plz halp modz

This why it's getting harder and harder to take Feminism and college seriously.

I'm offended is now a literal argument.

>>6484955
I'm offended that you think this is /lit/. Gb2 >>>/r9k/

>>6484915
Typos, indeed.
I'm indeed enjoying being the dominant one in the relationship, but this is quite natural. I'm not doubting my courage, however cannot comment on the concept of "insecurity", as this word doesn't exist in my first language and the description of it makes little sense.

If you believe what I did was a weak move, fine. I'm a happy man now. My fiancé is the girl I wanted. I cannot find a mistake and think that sharing this experience might be useful to some.