/lit/ - Literature

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>>6467985
So all you faggots here are too cool for fantasy?

>>6469827
for shitty fantasy, yeah
the kingkiller chronicle sucks
it is wish-fulfillment garbage

>>6469827
Yes now please leave and never come back. Tell your pleb friends at your dungeons and dragons meetings they're not welcome here.

>>6467836
I'll jump on this grenade with you, anon. I enjoy reading fantasy series for entertainment. It is like watching a TV show, it's fun and kills time but isn't exactly an intellectual pastime.

I generally defend and enjoy genre stuff, but yeah, shit like this is dreg.

>>6469827
>He reads fantasy books

>>6469845
>Watching TV
>Investing dozens of hours into shit-ass books when you ALREADY watch TV

Jesus christ

Epic fantasy is literally the first category listed under "Genre fiction" on the wiki. Like most of Rothfuss' fan base, OP can't read.

At least read good fantasy, OP.

>>6469833
So, suggest something better to read

>>6469843
>>6470068
What are your suggestions?

Most epic fantasy is really bad, unfortunately. I'd hardly feel comfortable recommending any of it.

>>6467836
Epic fail

>>6467836
I remember reading A Princess of Mars and Conan stories like Scarlet Citadel, Tower of the Elephant and Queen of the Black Coast. Those were some damn good fantasies, and that's precisely what they aimed to achieve: fantasy. It get's bothersome when these dudes on /lit/ have their heads so far up their ass that they can't just enjoy a book like Name of the Wind. I'll admit that the main character is very bland at times and doesn't have very many flaws to relate to. However, I think the over-arching plot is cool, a guy who is literally a legend in most of the known world recounts his younger days and the events that earned him his infamy of kingkiller and feared blood-mage or whatever. It's interesting to me, because this books sets up this guy, Kvothe, to be this amazingly elusive, skilled killer, but it turns out that a lot of his adventures, which are the subject of many stories, were happenstance and he was mostly at the wrong place at the wrong time. Interestingly enough, all the interesting stories of his youth take place AWAY from the college, which is the main setting of the first book.

>>6470112
Jean Wolf

>>6470492
Nice

>>6470485
If by fantasy you mean silly adventure stories for children, sure..

>>6470497
>children
You mean manchildren

>>6470497
>>6470518
So why do you think that is bad? Why do you think it is so abhorrent to regress to a child-like state for a short time when reading these books? Were you not a child? I don't understand.

>>6470533
>So why do you think that is bad?
It has the plot of a solid porn. It's bland. It's wish fulfilment. It's forced.
Why do you think it is so abhorrent to regress to a child-like state for a short time when reading these books?
>not knowing the difference between a child and a manchild
Were you not a child?
No, I was created as a 20 year old patrician by Xandu.
I don't understand.
Because you read shit literature that poisoned your mind

Fuck them, OP. Kingkiller is fantastic. It is paced wonderfully and the characters are very endearing. /lit/ has shit taste in fantasy, I've seen The Wheels of Times or whatever recommended here lots of times and that is one of the most badly-written books I've ever read.

>>6470554
Are you from /tg/?

>>6470559
Not even once

>>6470548
Well you answered my first question, but you didn't answer my second one. I can see that you do not enjoy anything whimsical or fantastical, but how can you say Robert Howard's books were bland? Purple prose is, like, the exact opposite of bland, but I can see how you might think it was forced.

> I don't read books unless they're intellectual enough for me, have I ever mentioned I read the classics?
Pretentious people like you lot sicken me

>>6470565
You quoted two different anons and I haven't read Howard.

>>6470568
If I read books for fun I at least don't read trash tier like Rothfuss and Scalzi. There are fun books that aren't retarded.

>>6470583
Lol well I quoted them both because one of them added on to the other's sentence, giving me the impression that they shared the same opinion. I highly recommend Howard. His Conan short stories, namely the ones I mentioned here >>6470485 are fantastic reads if you enjoy fantasy. He is considered to be one of the very first authors to truly bring about the "Sword and Sorcery" genre of high adventure and all that.

>>6470590
I share the opinion that Rothfuss is garbage. I don't dislike fantasy in general.

>>6470585
This. No one is pretentious for not liking Rothfuss. There are fun authors out there who actually know how to write, and whose books are well-researched -- people like John le Carré, Bernard Cornwell, and even Hilary Mantel. Now their books are fun to read. Reading poorly written fantasy novels is comparable to grading students' essays. It's a chore.

>>6470596
He's fairly new to commercial writing, I think, and this is his first book ( or trilogy, I suppose) I'm just waiting for the last book to come out so that I can review the series accordingly. Here's what I think of the book plot and character-wise:

>Kvothe is boring
>Love interest is forced as hell
>The entire setting of the first book, the college, and nearby city, are very boring. An entire town and he only goes to a tavern and a loanshark
>The immediate antagonist is the equivalent of a high school bully, who is angry at the fact that he busted his ass and waited for years and studied and barely got accepted, while Kvote pretty much walked in, studied for a week, and got accepted when he was 12 or some ludicrous age
>The support characters, his friends, are forgettable. I can't remember any of their names. I only remember his name, the love interest's name, and the evil demon dudes who killed his parents' name
>Things only start to really pick up in the second book where we actually witness one of the events that gained him his infamous reputation

It's strange because now that I think about it, I think I enjoy the things he did and the places he went more than I actually enjoy his character. There's actually a part in the book where he leaves the mainland on a ship and it goes like this:

>Kvote leaves mainland
>He meets many interesting people on his ship
>He gets marooned on an island for 3 weeks
>He gets rescued by a dude named Gancho and they become great friends and have adventures together

wait, what?!

>Kvothe gets to the city and the plot continues

Gancho isn't the dude's name, by the way.

>>6467836
Night Angel trilogy is pretty on par with this series maybe better.

The Painted Man is a top book. Haven't read the series

Gene Wolfe as well

>>6470638
Wolfe isn't epic fantasy

>>6470628
I think his prose is good for a fantasy writer, but yeah characters are just kind of meh most of the time, overarching plot and world building was pretty good at least so I stuck with it, can't really say I'd recommend the series.

I actually enjoyed the first book more because the second one just goes to total shit for me at a certain point, it just becomes a 12 year olds wet dream about being dominated by women. Way too much time spent on him literally fucking around with that fey thing, and then he goes to some ultrafeminist place where women are stronger than men for no well explained reason besides they are more agile or something?? I wouldn't mind some female dominated culture if it even made sense in-universe, but from everything you learn before they're just regular humans physically and yet girls are stronger just because, they're also retarded enough to think pregnancies happen at random without male involvement for some reason and make the MC question if this might be true.

Also did anyone read the Locke Lamora books, was thinking of checking that out.

>>6470601
>poorly written
Rothfuss has been writing these books for more than 14 years and the third isn't even completed.

Did you even bother to reread them? Everything from the beginning is connected, there are like a thousand little details that you surely missed from your first read.

I think Rothuss' style is amazing and I think he puts a lot of thought in his books(except for "the slow regard of silent things", that's trash).

>>6470485
Exactly, it's a really fun read and I'm hyped for the ending. If you like only the classics then why bother with new authors?

>>6467836

Another anon put it best when he said that if you are going to read trashy wish fulfillment pleb fantasy shit you may as well just read Fabio romance novels.

>>6470709
14 years into the trash they go.

>>6470554
>>6470568
>>6470709

Is this your first taste of fantasy or something?

This book is bland as hell. It reads like a teenage boy wrote it and had it edited by his dad. Its entire appeal seems to be summed up by its pacing, language, wish fulfilment, and possibly its 'magic system'. But don't mistake the nice feelings you get from these, or the general complexity of any long text, to be indicators of quality or sophistication in its story, plot, or characters. Because all of these are retardedly bad.

Have any of you even read A Wizard of Earthsea?

If you did, you would realise how awful and derivative The Name of the Wind is. It is filled with constant bad homages to A Wizard of Earthsea.

I'm normally happy to defend genre fiction. After all, much canonical fiction was once genre fiction in some context long ago, and literary fiction itself can be viewed as a genre.

But this is just shitty garbage-tier fantasy, and some turds do float.

>>6470485
> he thinks you're supposed to 'relate' to characters
Go kill yourself immediately, ASAP.

>>6470786

This

Le Guin is bases. Also OP should check out actual good fantasy like Wolfe and Zelazny.

>>6470682
I commute to college and like to have something simple I can listen to while I keep the rest of my attention on the road, and I'm just starting on the second of the two books after really enjoying the first.

They're pretty fun. Exciting stuff, criminal capers in a fantasy setting where the fun of it is the fact that the complications in the story just keep piling up in crazy ways. The author kind of sets the story up like a Houdini stunt: you know they're going to get out of it, but you have no idea how.

>>6470786
No it's not. I can't say I've read a lot of fantasy, only tried some from the some "top 10 lists" I've found online. Now of course you'll make fun of me because I checked an online list, but I got to start from somewhere right?

Anyway, if you think the books I read are trash, after you call me a fag, you could also suggest a fucking book that's better than those I'm reading, so I could try it out. Just saying you faggots.

>>6471099
Yes, I'm really excited and curious about what will happen in the end.

>>6467836
This is one of the worst books I've ever read. The prose is like it was written by a 12 year old. And like some people already said, read LeGuin's books and come back to tell us what you thought of it.

Here OP
This was made in January and needs updating
Fuck the Pre 19th century e/lit/ist, that sips their wines, and tips their fedoras knowingly at each other when they try to dissuade person from actually reading what they enjoy.

These cunts try to force you into liking ole, boring, moldy books and try to pass off "prose" as some sort of entertainment.
Not everyone here is a language grad who gets off at word play.

some are shit but you have to read something to say if it is shit or not

Tell me what you like OP and if I am on I will give you suggestions.

>>6471284
Which of these have non-human characters or very interesting settings?

>>6471284
You should sort it into folders by author surname.

>>6471284
My list is far superior.

>>6471308
Highlighting everything in red stars that has an interesting setting and that doesn't have a full human cast.

>>6471325
Nah the are sorted by Series. Not because an Author wrote ONE good book/series, means that he is competent. Take Joe Abercrombie for example, the First Law series was good, the follow ups slowly degraded to shit.

>>6471137

He just rec'd you Earthsea, are you a fucking retard?

>>6469833
Ha

>>6470628

>Child prodigy
>Evil demon dude who killed his parents

Dropped before I even picked it up.

>>6471396
harry potter?

>>6471284
Hey thanks for that list mate, I saved it for later use.

I don't read a lot because I have no time but some of the books I loved are:

- Kingkiller chronicle
- The mistborn trilogy and it's sequel the alloy of law
- Abhorsen trilogy (not that much)

>>6471342
Do I want to know what this list is about?

>>6471356
>Let me in
A very amusing story indeed, especially when Håkan is about to pay a Thai dude to suck him of, but regrets it when he discovers that he has no teeth.

>>6467836

http://4chanlit.wikia.com/wiki/Recommended_Reading/Genre_fiction

there is

but why is Coldfire trilogy never actually discussed here?

MALAZAN BOOK OF THE FALLEN

>>6473050
Coldfire is sexy as hell. Horrible imagination creatures, weird catholic cult, immortal vampires and furries. What more could you want?

If /lit/ hates this book so much why in the FUCK is it listed on their recommended books wiki

>>6473050
>but why is Coldfire trilogy never actually discussed here?
>>6471356

>>6471284
interesting magic systems or royalty as cast?

Reading The Witcher series, on the second book, it's pretty good so far. No complaints here.

>>6469862
So you don't read Borges?

>>6473376
I think I posted a "muh kings" a few months back. it should be in the archive.
here
>>/lit/thread/S4845676#p4846038

>>6473376
Brandon Sanderson is cool magic system guy.

And his teacher was Dave Wolverton, who made a very good one in his Runelords series.

>>6467836
Man what a disappointing series.
First book- better written harry potter but for teens, shitty slow opening but alright book suffering from slight mary suish to the protagonist
Second book - absolute fucking turd, Kvothe is now 100% mary sue, fucking boy king midas, even his turds turn into gold,, cant decided if it wasnt to fallow first book and stay in school if it want to turn

Second book broke my heart

>>6467836
Way of kings
Been reading a lot fantasy last 3 years, read all Sanderson books and other popular ones, but this one made me feel like i was 15 back again and as if i was discovering fantasy for the first time once again

Hand down the best fiction book i read in years
Shame its so short, 1000 pages, first out of 10 same length books, and still could use 500 more.

>>6473440
ups, typed over half my post,
was supposed to be
*Cant decided if it wants to fallow first book and stay in school or if it wants to turn into a boy and his adventures in the world story. Absolutely lost any sense of plot progression and for some weird reason Rothuss decides to drop all supporting cast from the first book and replace them with a bunch of random nobodies you will see for a chapter or two and never again.

>>6473455
I like Sanderson, I like that he writes books with endings, that he even ended another guy's interminable series.

But I've been burned so many times that I'm not hopping on another series until it's complete.

>>6467985
But i liked american Gods, it was refreshing in the way it kept being personal and didnt fucking jump to some useless secondary character perspective every 5 pages like its popular now.
Even its world felt pretty refreshing, without unnecessary escalation of scale or pointless non plot related shit.

Yeah a bit long for such a single plot, but still a great one off self contained novel.

>>6473490
>But I've been burned so many times that I'm not hopping on another series until it's complete.
Jesus i know that feeling.
The series is only 2 books in out of 10, it hurts to live thinking how many years i will have to wait for it to finish. 15 maybe.

The only positive is that Sanderson literally shits out 2 books a year, that guy isnt human, its not normal, Maybe he will menage to finish the series in 10 years or less.

And yeah, one of things that surprised me about way of kings is that it ends, and i mean not that you run out of pages, but that everything gets wrapped up and resolved with an ending that most writers would end a series on. Hell, the finale of the second book seem like the ending to the whole series.

That fucking twat Stephenson could learn a thing here.

Also i like how he never does cliffhangers, even between chapters. You know when something important going to happen and the action switches to someone else? Or you get a flashback, or maybe a fucking description of the room for no reason?
Not here. He just keep hammering the plot at a rapid increasing pace so its impossible to stop reading, the ride never ends, one thing flows into another with no breaks, and only when one plot thread is fully resolves only then he switches to something else or gives us a flash back or what ever.
Love it, wish more authors wrote like that, going through the demon cycle now makes me realize most authors have no fucking clue what the word" pacing" means.

>>6473588
Stormlight won't be complete within ten years. He's aiming for a new SA book every two years, and he's writing the modern Mistborn trilogy in-between SA 5 and SA 6.

What's worse is that it'll be over thirty years before the meta is complete.

The Kingkiller Chronicles is just an 'adult' Harry Potter. It's garbage, the main character is an unlikable twat and a mary sue to boot. It would be more interesting if Rothfuss actually TRIED with the 'Oh he's a legend but it turns out his real story is much more grounded and things weren't as exaggerated' instead he fucks a goddess, who usually kills men when she has sex with them, so good she keeps him around for a while and teaches him all sorts of magic shit in fairyland. Then when he's ready to leave he actually outmagics the bitch and then runs off. The entire series so far is like something someone would come up with as a joke poking fun at epic fantasy.

>>6474549
Do you like the modern mistborn trilogy?

>>6474897
It's actually really grounded. You learn that most of the legends about him are wrong and they were created by him. What rothfuss is trying to show is that stories and true facts change by word of mouth. Of course he is really powerful too. Did you want a book about a fucking guy that is afraid to pass from a farm because the farmer's 5 year old girl might kill him?

>>6475025
I would read that book actually

>>6472052
My favourites are - ALL of Sandersons + Lightbringer by Weeks. Everything else I've picked up including GoT has been shit of late.

>>6475006
I have been promised a magitech space opera. Don't disappoint me Sanderson.

>>6474897
>instead he fucks a goddess, who usually kills men when she has sex with them
That was when this series turned into shit. Before it, it was pretty GOAT.

>>6475025
Yes. This is showing why the legends are false by making him into a more badass god fucker.

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>>6475025
Are fantasy threads just thinly veiled reddit containment? Jesus Christ, fuck off to r/fantasy or r/books or something, you're making this place stink of pleb

>reading for anything other than entertainment

I seriously don't understand this. Is your self esteem so fragile that you have to pad it out with the opinions of other people who read books? Can you not countenance yourself to enjoy anything that won't lead you to belive your intelligence has increased after you've read it? Where has your vaunted philosophy even gotten you?

I seriously just don't understand how anybody who considers themself so intelligent could fail to realize that enjoyment is paramount.

>>6475709
>doing anything for entertainment

You need to read some Nietzsche, compadre.

>>6471284
this is a mess

>>6472052
>Abhorsen
Oh man I remember reading those back when I was a kid. What a fun series.

Check out the rest of Sanderson's stuff. Emperor's Soul and Stormlight 1-2 are my favourites.

>>6467836
>Fantasy thread
>85 replies and 8 images omitted.
>More than half of those actually discuss shit-tier memefantasy.
... The fuck /lit/ ?
We /pleb/ now ?

>>6475856
Half of the posts was insulting shit tier fantasy

>>6471284
>These cunts try to force you into liking ole, boring, moldy books and try to pass off "prose" as some sort of entertainment.
>Not everyone here is a language grad who gets off at word play.

I understand your frustration, but you have no idea what you're saying right there.

>>6475511
>Are fantasy threads just thinly veiled reddit containment? Jesus Christ, fuck off to r/fantasy or r/books or something

You, actually knowing where to go on redshit, shows who is the real cancer here. I'm the listfag who posted those pics of books, more than half of those were suggested to me by /lit/ over the 4+ years I've been here, so please gtfo.

Also
>all those buzzwords

Fevre Dream is George RR his good work.
GoT especially the later ones are shit.
Malazan series is ok as a whole, Gardens of the Moon is shit.

Gene Wolfe is great.
Isaac Asimov is good.

Sci-fi is generally better than fantasy.

tbh I think you faggots just hate the "mainstream" fantasy books or anything fucking mainstream because you won't to seem different than the rest of society.

So let's get some things straight.
1) Just because you go to a website that the rest of society thinks is only for outcast, this doesn't mean you're special.
2) Some mainstream things are good. Even if you like it or not. Drugs are mainstream. mainstream != bad.
3) By reading philosophy you are just showing what cheeky cunts you are. For fuck's sake your acting like those SJWs acting like you're above all just for reading Nietzsche.
4) Fuck you

>>6476009
nice, now nobody's going to take me seriously because I have grammar mistakes. I'm out

>>6475709

>Being entertained by reading the same derivative schlock over and over

I actually like speculative fiction, but fuck me if most modern "critically acclaimed" sf&f books aren't total garbage tier. If I want mindless entertainment I'll play a game or watch a movie or do something else I can be done with in 2 hours instead of wasting my time on bad Harry Potter and LotR ripoffs.

>>6476014
No, the reason nobody's gonna take you seriously is because you're defending books for manchildren

>>6476009

>Hurrdurr /lit/ is hipster
>Meanwhile /lit/ likes Asimov, Herbert, LeGuin, Heinlein, etc

No ones taking you seriously because you have no idea what youre talking about. Not liking Rothfuss' homage to Harry Potter doesn't make you a hipster, faggot.

High fantasy is, and always will be the shittiest form of literature. Even calling it literature is as much an insult as calling comic books literature. It's like watcing anime.

The authour gently jerks you off, while he shoots you up with heroin. It's a way for angsty men-children to live out their powerfantasies. Pure escapism written to make the reader forget how shit his life is.

I'm not all against it though, even if it is the aids that kills the genre, it's what got me into reading at a young age. Brainless entertainment that could keep me distracted from my "real problems" for a while.
However high fantasy at a grown age, should never be discussed, because there is nothing to discuss. It's a guilty pleasure, something you keep to yourself, even if someone else you know reads the same garbage, there is no depth to it, and warrants no discussion. Save yourself the embarrasment and never speak of it again.

I enjoyed Black Company until they went to India. Lost interest sometime around book 7 came along, and I force-fed myself book 6 anyway. Didn't understand half of it nor why it's there.

1-3 are masterpeices despite talking stones and flying squid whales and whatnot.

>>6474897
>the main character is an unlikable twat and a mary sue to boot.
Not so much in first book.
The first book still balanced the line between mary sue and extremely talented.
He can play like no other, and is extremely talented in magic, but hes still weaker and than most he cant fight and his love life is a disaster.

Second book just flat out fall on its face.
He becomes the master of the sword in like 3 months, master of the magic, master of the sex in first try, since hes so talented and shit, and fuck everything that dosnt run away on his way home.

Rothfuss also dosnt seem to know what strengths were in his books, the interesting magic system and hippie dumbledore who were great take a back seat in second book, his dysfunctional but interesting relationship with a street whore isnt properly developed further, again taking a back seat for the kid to have sex with some fairy queen or some shit.

And i agree "adult" is the target audience.
Young teens who want to believe tehy are too old for Harry Potter and by giving Harry a sword to swing around instead of a wand the story becomes epic.

>>6475006
Wait with 2 brothers or some shit?
I think i read it, fucking forgettable as fuck, i remember the whole original trilogy yet cant recall a single thing about the new book.
There were guns, i think, and shootout in some underground magazine.

>>6475006
What? It's not written yet.

I think the concept is awesome. Allomancer SWAT teams and whatnot.

I really need some good fantasy books. Where the main character is a 100% Villain.

>>6475957
>Gardens of the Moon
Tried to approach it recently and what a fucking mess, so many names to remember, sooo many irrelevant fucking secondary characters

it just keeps jumping form one person perspective to another on and on and on
Oh and it has probably the quickest fall in love story i ever saw, that spams a mind boggling one sentence. "and they meet and were in love", after which the books pretends like we just witnessed the biggest love story around which half the plot will revolve

Anyway i finished it and i started the sequel since i thought i got into it by the end when most of the people were dead or forgotten and never mentioned again
Dropped maybe 50 pages in.

I shit you not, the book introduces around 30, 30!! fucking people one after another in the first 3 chapters and acts like each of them is the most important person, thats not even including the main cast which is another 20 people
fucking insane, its like reading wikipedia and pretending random biographies are related

>>6476714
You're thinking of The Alloy of Law. It was just meant to be a small novel between trilogies set in like 19th century time period. The new trilogy is going to be 1980s tech I think.

Understandably dumbed down when compared to litreture but implying that some forms of epic fantasy are like reading a comic book or are brainless just means you aren't much of a thinker and probably just follow bullshit that other readers already have come up with when you're reading actual literature. I read fantasy to eacape this much is true, but I can easily break down a good fantasy book and describe how it relates and try to work out it's flaws and how to adapt it. It does highly depend on what you read, but calling it brainless or un-intellectual just makes you sound like you have an inferiority complex.

I'm not even sure half the people are avid readers on here, more so wanna be rejects who hold on to other peoples views and claim it. Seriously though you people regurgetate the same parriarchal bullshit left by the old fags. Enjoy your weak visualization and clouded understanding of things faggots.

>>6476496
>why isn't everyone being pretentious like me
>why are people not doing what I want
>why are people doing what brings them joy
>why are people not reading about the real world constantly
>why would someone want to ease their brain with something that helps with visualization
>why are people on a literature board talking about books, books are not /lit/ only poems and pieces from people who are already dead

Please kill yourself, seriously. I feel sorry for the sad kid who will have you fostering them, they probably gonna turn out like Elliot Rodger.

>>6476945
Wait, theres more coming ?

Is the Poetic Edda fantasy? Loved that shit. Learned Norse to read it.

>>6477733
Modern Mistborn will be written in between Books 5 and 6 of Stormlight Archive. The main character will be a Nicrosil Misting and the story will feature an Allomancer SWAT team chasing a Mistborn serial killer (don't quote me on the serial killer bit.)

Later on, the last Cosmere series will be the future Mistborn trilogy which will be a space opera featuring FTL space travel and Hoid as the main character.

>>6478040
Is the future Mistborn Series the one we saw in Sixth of the Dusk?

>>6478040
Hey, you're that Stormlight fag.
Do you know when the next Sanderson book is going to drop?

>>6478095
No although Sixth of the Dusk is currently the most futuristic story in terms of chronology. There is speculation that the Ones Above could be Scadrians.

>>6478534
Hi.
Shadows of Self is releasing in the Fall so probably that one.

>>6476766
Fuck yes. Why can't we have books about the bad guys?

Commend something guys.

>>6477714
Wait wait. Do you think anybody would marry this idiot?

>>6479772
>>6476766
The Broken Empire series and Coldfire Trilogy?

>>6479772

Uhh...Elric?

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>>6480153
First Law trilogy might count somewhat. Definitely great books.

>>6467836
>people dislike the kingkiller chronicles

I can't believe it

Night Watch - Sergej Lukianenkow

>>6478705
Sanderson fans who can get past his prose confirmed for top-tier. Look at this civil conversation.

>>6480886
>people don't like shit
Whoda thunk it?

>>6480951
Rationality comes with age.

Regardless, I'm happy to talk about the Cosmere when given the opportunity.

In relation to a previous anon's question, Sanderson is actually going to write a traditional "bad guy" story but told from the perspective of the bad guy as he grows in power. It'll be Cosmere too.

>>6481233
Stormlight fag how old are you?
List fag here and I'm 25

>>6481475
I'll be 25 in June.

>mfw just finding out Brandon secretly wrote ANOTHER book
http://www.17thshard.com/news/brandon-news/brandon-secretly-wrote-another-book-stormlight-8-r207

I guess we're getting Stormlight 8 next, then. Sweet fucking god. Too much hype.

I just listened to the first Mistborn book at work, it's the first fantasy book I've read that's been published since LotR (not big on fantasy usually). I did enjoy it however.

The rest of Sanderson's work any good? I would like to get into more modern sci-fi/fantasy books, but I kind of tire quickly of same plots, etc. I made it two thirds of the way through GoT before giving up, the shit was boring as hell.

>>6481561
>I kind of tire quickly of same plots
One of Sanderson's gimmicks is distortion of generic fantasy plots so yes, you'll enjoy it. Keep reading Mistborn.

>>6481519
What Shard do you think is on the Sixth of Dusk?
Also do you think the Big Shells in Stormlight are connected to the Shards?

>>6481568
There isn't a Shard on First from the Sun. The magic system there with the... worms or whatever is actually natural.

By Big Shells, do you mean Chasmfiends? I don't know if they have Investiture. I honestly forget. Speaking of, Ryshadium are Invested.

>>6481519
>>mfw just finding out Brandon secretly wrote ANOTHER book
>http://www.17thshard.com/news/brandon-news/brandon-secretly-wrote-another-book-stormlight-8-r207


It was a mothafucka April Fools prank, I AM SO PISSED.

>>6481600
Oh shit.

I am gullible.

>>6476775
I don't think it's bad that it introduces so many characters or that it just throws you into the story.

Gardens of the Moon is just a mess

>>6481608
Alloy of Law was at the start of the industrial Age, what do you think the New one is going to be about?

Will it have early forms of computers?
How will they do that when criminal Mistborns will be using what ever metal is close by for weapons?

What if we get someone who can manipulate gold...... all the Processors and wire leads will be able to malfunction.

"Pay me a Billion [insert currency here] or I will crash all of your company's Servers.

>>6482061
Modern Mistborn will be ~1980s tech. Features an Allomancer SWAT team tracking down a Mistborn serial killer. Main character is a Nicrosil Misting.

>>6482082
I was asking for speculation

>all these sanderfags
BASED

Just look at the guy.
>not a fedora-tipping neckbeard
>willing to finishing the work of a senile old man who forgot what he was doing
>actually does a solid job of finishing it
>writes at least a book a year

I am a little worried, though. There's a precedent for Mormon authors being crucified by liberal austists.

>>6482111
He actually spent time on atheist forums to gain an understanding of atheism viewpoints for writing Jasnah in Stormlight. Pretty cool stuff.

>>6482111
He also does the writing excuses pod and puts the videos from the writing class he teaches online.

>>6470786
have you any recommendation of fantasy with the quality of Le-guin, gentle anon? I'm finishing left hand of darkness but I feel the other ecumen books will be hard sifi which is a bit boring. But I never read much besides lotr, simarillion. and Earthsea. Game of Thrones feels like a soap opera and kingkiller... I enjoyed it, but because the narrative was fun, I could smell the wish fulfillment alright, but the writing was fun.

>>6482111
I'm liberal and I love all his books.

>Epic fantasy
>ctrl+f
>Steven Erikson
>0 results
>You are all noobs

>>6483579
>ctrl+f
>malazan
>2 results

>>6470638
>The night angel trilogy
definitely better than Kingkiller books in terms of autisticly bad prose, plot, and general edge. Seriously, what a poorly written book.
>mfw Durzo Blint

>>6483666
forgot my face

>>6470786
I actually hated Earthsea. The writing was bland, the story was nothing particularly interesting (although maybe it could have been if it wasnt written in such a boring way) and ged is an even dumber character than Kvothe.

>>6471137
read le patrician masterpiece

>>6483666
Lightbringer trumps Night Angel every day, thanks to Gavin's suffering.

>>6483579
>actually read the thread
>malazan every where

>>6471284
oh dear, diddums, were you too stupid to read those books with the big words? did you slink back to your mindless nerd porn? did you realise that you share an intellectual hobby with pre-teens and pasty teens? Perhaps you should give up and watch tv instead, at least you could talk with adults about your porn then, mate. Fuck off

>>6476009
get back to me when you get into cambridge talking about le guin or some other pathetic wizard shit in the interview-that's what makes us 'faggots' special

>>6477714
you use the same reasoning as bronies, you faggot; think about that and reevaluate your shit-tier passion

>>6480860
I second this, Joe Abercrombie was neat.

>>6484174
The way you debased my hobby was hawt... are you female by chance?

If not, is your boipussy sufficiently lubricated for instant access? I don't think I would be able to resist you much longer.

Thread already up, so imma use this.
I just finished the Night Angel series, can you recommend me something similar?

I liked the "sharing your body with a sentient being" vibe that was going on. Anything similar?

>>6467836
Are you still here OP? Is it a completed series? I don't want to read two books and then wait for years for new ones.

>>6485826
Eragon is what you seek. It's not a perfect series but sharing your body with a sentient being is so well done.

>>6485866
Not OP, but it's not completed yet.
He hasn't reached GURM's level of waiting but he blew up too fast, and a shit load of pressure is behind him to complete the last book.

He has to make it worth the wait....

>>6485896
Fuck. That. I'll read the other completed series for now then. Both books are highly praised so I don't want to be left waiting after reading them...

>>6485875
Plz don't insult me anon-kun, as a fellow fantasy lover why would you recommend me such trash?

>>6485916
It's a fun series, I wouldn't call it trash...

>>6485927
It's trash.

>>6485896
Shit will be shit regardless of how long one waits.

>>6485914
Don't waste your time.

>>6485944
What did you think of Mistborn?

>>6485960
I liked it. Good series.

Thanks, OP. Now I have to get onto my computer and off of my phone so I can post my favorite copypasta.

>>6486520
So? Where is your pasta faget?

>>6486520
>being a proud pasta cancer
Please stop using carcinogenics

>>6483723
It's actually thanks to fewer teenage cringe moments, but either way it's a much better series.

i dont know if this counts as epic fantasy but its one of the books that got me into reading. Anyone here read it?

>>6487065
The first one was fantastic but the second plummeted to Guardian-editorial depths. Didn't read the third.

>>6487065
Third makes me sad. I haven't finished the Solomon one yet but it's sitting in my shelf.

>>6485866
Yes I'm here and no it's not completed. Still waiting for the third book

>>6485866
You want to read it for Elodin.

>>6482111
What i like about him is that he doesnt recycle ideas.
Each book, a new magic system lore world races animals etc, and every time this world and magic system will be well thought out and deep

>>6483579
meh, mediocre author at best
cant write romance yet puts it into his books
his pacing is pure ass, he will summarize months or years of time in a book with one sentence and then spent a whole chapter on some irrelevant crap that wont matter in any way to the plot
also suffers from the worst case of exposition dumping i ever saw, its common for him to introduce 10 new characters at once while filling in lore or worlbuilding info that you will have to reread twice to remember

>>6485963
I'm reading this right now. It's so fucking good. The interractions between the team are amazing and the characters are so unique.

>>6488016
I hate how all his main female characters are written the same way.

Mistborn 1 is excellent for that sense of "scraggly team working together" although you can tell he's still new to writing at that stage from all the repetition.
>Breeze arching an eyebrow
>Ham doing whatever it is that I've forgotten

>tfw no qt spren fairy to talk with

>>6489213
Remember Sil was able to "touch" Kaladin in the last book, I bet you, if Brandon isn't a total cunt, we will have some Spren on Human sex.....

>>6488592
Snorting.

>>6489825
Rather have that then Shallan/Kaladin.

Do people unironically like Brandon Sanderson? His books read like the novel equivalent of the stories that one autistic neckbeard brings to your creative writing class. The kind of mouthbreather who thinks elaborate magic systems are an important element of fantasy and always brings it up to the dismay of everyone in the room. Total scum.

>>6490782
See
>>6477714

How did "magic systems" become a thing? It sounds so fucking mundane.

>>6489825
>expects sex
So you've never read a Sanderson book.

>>6490782
>always brings it up to the dismay of everyone in the room
This projecting strawman is trite.

>>6491068

Yea, totally man. Everyone is definitely interested in your gay little magic diagrams. It's super interesting to everyone, especially people who aren't fat fucking nerds addicted to escapism.

>>6470662
If his Urth of the Old Sun isn't epic fantasy, what is it?

>>6476496
>High fantasy... it's like watching anime.
an apt comparison, the genre is made for that medium.

In fact, I wish more classic fantasy would get anime adaptions. Zelazny's Chronicles of Amber, for example.

>>6491130
It's science fiction disguised as fantasy,

>>6482082
>>6485944
>>6485963
>>6488592
>>6491068
Is this the nerd equivalent of the knight's tour that structures Georges Perec's Life a User's Manual?

>>6491121
>>6491253
>samefagging twice
:c

>>6491121
>resorts to the "only fat neckbeards read fantasy"
man if you actually left your basement, the world is changing my friend

>>6476496
wow guys we better listen to him.
I think he reads philosophy, he's way too sophisticated for our books. Please enlighten us with your vast intellect.

this shitty thread is five days old.

>>6491895
Based fantasy threads.

>>6491253
what is that pic?

>>6491895
Because some faggots think that because they read philosophy they are better than the rest of us.

Reading a fantasy book is kind of like watching a movie. You just want to have fun.

When I want to read sunsetting serious I'll read fucking Plato

>>6492001

>plato

not exactly serious ya silly yank

>>6492001

I'm not better than you because I read philosophy, I'm better than you because I don't read fantasy.

>>6492001

Funny thing is Plato is as much a fantasy novel as is the Lord of the ring.

>>6467836
Pic related. It's my favorite epic fantasy. Totally Bananas, bro.

>ctrl+f
>No "Guardians of the Flame" by Joel Rosenberg

What in the actual fuck. I was 10% down the page and I realized that you fucks have probably been arguing about The Name of the Wind, Lord of the Rings, and A Song of Ice and Fire the whole time.

Get fucked and read this shit.

>>6492001
>tfw most contemporary philosophy is more garbage than common fantasy

>>6470492
>Wolf

>>6492058
lol this. plato uses myth as the vehicle to get his point across (forms) and tolkien uses myth as the vehicle to get his point across (complete antipathy towards modernity and industry).

>>6492110
>le analytic retard who wishes he was born in the 19th century when frege and logical positivism were still relevant

>>6492115
>plato uses myth
wut

>>6492125
>le fagoo making blind assumptions about people on anonymous image boards

>>6483320
The Dispossessed is legit as fuck. One of the best books I've read this year.

>>6475709
>Not being entertained by things like Ulysses

>>6467836

There was a time when I defended Rothfuss to smug cunts, but after his last book came out some "internet journalist" compared him to Joyce and all of his fans started mindlessly repeating it. And then I read the book and saw nothing but a fat man-child trying way too hard. Seriously read the author's note at the beginning, it is the cringiest load of horseshit you will ever read.

He is dead to me now. The smug cunts were right.

>>6492178
Comparing anyone to Joyce tends to make them look like a cunt so that's somewhat unfair.

But then again I have no idea who that author even is and since I started reading things that smug cunts would read, I've become something of a smug cunt myself.

>>6492178
It's one thing to dislike shitposters who jerk off to doodles of Max Stirner, but if you're just talking about quality, fantasy tends to be filled with shitloads of nothing but ultra-generic drivel.

Honestly, someone could write that sort of crappy memebait fantasy book with the best possible prose and literary techniques, and it'd still look like the same shit because there's just so much of it out there.

>>6492178
What was he going on about?

Also I heard that at a panel of his, rothfuss was sort of criticizing Tolkien for not portraying women the way authors do 60 years ahead of his time

>>6492264
Why people feel the need to hold classic lit to fake modern standards, I will never understand.

>>6492264
Tolkien was shit too though. He's just an older brand of the same shit.

>>6492283
Retards being retards, like grazing cows.

>>6492178
At least you have the self-awareness to learn from your mistakes.

I've noticed people who like Rothfuss are the exact same as people who like FFXIV: narrow-minded and wholly unable to accept that 1) their overrated media has HORRIBLE flaws and 2) someone may not like what they like, for good reason.

>>6470102
the master and margarita

>>6488592
Shouldn't 9th metal be gold?

>>6492264
It's kinda funny because Rothfuss has female characters with no personality who are here only as hot chicks for the protagonist to fugg and Tolkien has ideas of duty, purity, beauty, tragedy, wisdom and so on.

>>6491130
It is sf with a fantasy aesthetic.

>>6492877
Tolkien is on an entirely different level thematically than most writers even to this day.

>>6492937
I know, I was just mocking Rothfuss.

>>6492099
>LoTR and D&D clone
>reading that

Anon we have standards, we don't read every and anything.
From that cover alone, I'm making sure I stay far as fuck away from your "shit".

That looks like a 1970/1980 nostalgic field trip.
Just like Eragon, if you reread that shit now, you will see how misguided you are .

Shadows of the Apt is good

>>6492099
>Guardians of the Flame
The author has no SFWA Grand Master Award
He's probably shit.

>>6492178
I agree the last book was crap, but the kingkiller chronicles are really good.

>>6491895
Yea, a shitty, /lit/ related, fantasy thread is up for five days.

While we have shitposting feel threads, thinly disguised /pol/ threads, /pol/ race bait threads and the lastest tumblgay and redshit meme indoctrination-and-enforcement threads that goes on for weeks.

It's really sad, the shitposting threads should last longer right?

>>6493458
Don't forget about the same philosophy, Ulysses, Joyce, Gravity's Rainbow, Infinite Jest, DFW, Marxist and our dear "sniff, shuffle, sniff, wipe hands across nose" threads that are posted everyday. Along with the occasional germs and steel and /pol/ redpill threads.
It is truly euphoric.

>>6493016
Maybe you should read it first amigo. This author does character development better than anybody else I know, it's anything but a flat D&D clone full of poor action and a weak plot.

>>6493086
>Musician not in Rock and Roll Hall of Fame
>Shit

>Actor without an Oscar Award
>Shit

Wow I bet you vote for whoever the last commercial tells you to don't you, you appellant to authority faggot.

>>6493512
I don't read D&D nor do I like LoTR or their clones and i specifically HATE books with Dragons in them.

Fuck off.

>>6493608
I don't like D&D, I wasn't able to get ten pages into LOTR, but I'm usually okay with dragons.

Damn dude, did the author rape you as a child or something? Why all the hostility?

>>6493608
Tau Zero was good and it had a dragon at the end. :-3

>>6493740
I hate people believing that because we liked fantasy, we will read any eragon, d&d and lotr clone they throw at us.

It's because of shit like that anon posted, we have the pretentious e/lit/ist coming in our threads and posting whatever, d&d and lotr clone they read as a kid. It's feeding a stereotype, that all current fantasy books are Tolkienesque tropes and we to stomp it out, if we want our recommendations to be troll free.

If we want lotr/eragon like books we would make a thread, like that fag did last week.

Read this recently, was pretty good. Not really Epic Fantasy, it's almost Historical Fantasy, all things considered. The writer seriously needs to work some more exposition in though, normally it'd be the opposite, but I don't think the main character even had the colour of his hair mentioned until near the end of the book, and most side characters aren't given descriptions beyond their size and age.

I like the way it handles the political machinations though. Instead of the Game of thrones style plot within a plot, hand rubbing villain schemes, you're only overtly presented with the outcomes of the schemes, not who they came from or what their purpose was, but if you pay attention, you can figure out who did what and why. It's a nice change.

>>6493503
Ulysses, Joyce, Gravity's Rainbow, Pinecone, Infinite Jest, and DFW are all actually interesting to talk about though because they have distinct views, styles, and personalities.

This sort of Fantasy is by and large a metric fuckton of nearly indistinguishable "muh swords" and "muh magick" written by some guy or another who read Tolkien religiously, or played D&D erryday, or both.

>>6490961

I dont know honestly. I dont mind having copious amounts of magic present in a story assuming there's a point to it, but anything where people talk about a "magic system" just comes off as appealing to the special kind of kid who really liked nerdy shit in school but was too dumb to grasp any kind of science so they just want to make one up. I dont even really mind complex magic (whatever that is) but really save that shit for the wiki.

>>6495135
This.
I too like magic in my books, but when i see "a complex magic system" as a selling point, it makes me feel like I am reding a kiddie book, and just seems all round weird.

And this is coming from a fantasy fag.

>>6495288
I like it. Magic that comes with a price works better for storytelling than I-ain-gotta-splain-shit magic.

When it's clearly systematized, the reader is challenged make the same ethical and value calculations as the character and measure himself against an unfamiliar axis.

>>6473249
>expecting /lit/ to read its own recommended books.
>expecting anything from /lit/ beyond pseudo intellectual posturing.

>>6495501
No I agree with you, it's just when they use "a complex magic system", those words specifically in that order. It gets me feeling, maybe it's my underdeveloped autism.

>>6495501

You can have non-omnipotent magic without having autism level magic systems though.

>tfw you want to write SF or Fantasy but everyone will call you a neckbeard and make fun of you

I would love to be able to entertain teenagers and nerds. It would be great to end up having a following like Hugh Howey. If I wrote literature it would just make people depressed, but I don't want to write some generic wizard/warrior stuff either. I guess there's nothing stopping me from writing both. I just want to be taken seriously and not dismissed out of hand for writing kid's stories. I've read Ulysses and Moby Dick I'm not a pleb.

>>6495748
>tfw I write SF and fantasy and I am a neckbeard who people make fun of
Joke's on them, I don't care.

>>6467836

The Worm Ouroboros

/thread

>>6495748
>lists [insert here] book that is raved about on /lit/
>makes you patrician
lel
Just write man, it doesn't have to be warriors and wizards. Like Sanderson and others, make magic a natural part of your society, like oxygen or soil, then make up ways to have your inhabitants interact with it.
Hell, you can have a world like dune and instead of spice, the power lies in the sand, you absord it through your skin and do whatever.

Don't give up because the pretentious pseudo intellectual e/lit/ist on this board makes snob comments. They can go fuck themselves, they just jelly because nobody wants to publish their novel, and even if they self-publish, no one is going to read.

Also, you sound like a cunt when you say that only nerds and kids want to read fantasy.

>>6495557

Its because "complex magic systems" miss the entire spirit of magic in the first place.

>>6495835
>miss the entire spirit of magic in the first place
Or maybe they're using it to make a different point altogether?

>>6470682
I'm a quarter through the first Locke Lamora book. It's aight, has a semi interesting setting but all the characters feel pretty two dimensional so far.

>>6495748
Write whatever the fuck you want. Don't let a bunch of anons on a Lithuanian cheese curdling board direct your attempts at having a career. Eventually, when more people on /lit/ start reading literary fiction, it will be deemed pleb tier and they will worship genre fiction, and then it will shift back again.

>>6495835

Anyone here ever tried Acts of Caine?