/lit/ - Literature

>>6459212
but im trying anon

>Chinese "philosophers"

Fucking lel

>Laotzi, Heraclitus, Socrates, Plato, Zhuangzhi

Yes.

>Leibniz, Berkeley, Kant, and Hegel

No.

>>6459212
I think that you're the one who's not even trying anon since you didn't include the best ever.

where is Lacan, Foucault, Nietzsche, Butler, Derrida, Deleuze?

>>6459212

>Leibniz, Berkeley

Just lol.

>no mengzi or mozi

>>6459250
The trash, where they should be

where is schoppy

HUME
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>>6459250
take out butler and lacan

>>6459250
most of them were just rehashing Heraclitus and Hegel

>>6459212
Q: What do Chinese philosophy and Chinese cartoons have in common?
A: Who cares?

>No Heidegger

literally the most ingenious of the last ones

>>6459387
He was just a Nazi, though

Excuse me everybody: Aristotle?

>>6459436
>the father of private property
>good

>>6459441
>Father of virtue
>Propertarian

No contradiction here.

>>6459250
>Lacan
*sniff*

>>6459441
He was only the father of private property as he was the first to mark the distinction by stressing the necessity of the public sphere which informs the private in contradistinction.

>>6459433
Edgy

>>6459241
Why do you dislike them? Are you having difficulty moving on from the entry level philosophers?

>>6459212
>Socrates
>Plato

Kek.

>>6459336
This.
>>6459436
And this.

>>6459238
Why not

Im a big Leibniz and Kant fan, but its worth noting that some of the best, clearest, most thorough philosophy ever created is contemporary.

>>6459336
I love seeing Hume mentioned on 4chan. It illuminates the broad spectrum of users.

>>6459978
Yeah Zizek isn't an obscurantist at all

>>6459241
You just havent had a good enough professor to competently teach you Leibniz and Kant. Can't speak for berkely or hegel.

Hud Hudson is a contemporary philosopher I really admire. The guy is literally a genius, he just hasnt released his opus yet. I'm currently his student.

Who here is an academic philosopher? Anyone pursuing a degree in phil counts.

>>6460023
I'm getting a BA in it

>>6460023
About to graduate with a BA, possibly going on to PhD.

>>6460023
Have a B.A. in it

>>6459241
>>6459262

>Shitting on Berkeley

Trolls or troglodytes
Don't know which, don't really care

>>6460291
I should add my B.A. came from a pretty solid university, but that focuses on STEM at great expense of liberal arts and sciences/humanities, so my degree counts for little to nothing

>>6460038
>>6460278
>>6460291

>undergraduate students in charge of ranking philosophers

you are literally a walking stereotype

>>6460368

literally

>>6459433

>He was just a Nazi, though

How To Spot a Illiterate Who Hasn't Read Anything Outside of Wikipedia

>>6460368
Show me where I thought I should be in charge of ranking them? All I said is they're fools to think so little of Berkeley. For being on /lit/, your reading comprehension skills are laughably lacking.

>>6460368
>anyone in charge of ranking philosophers
No anon. Maybe, MAYBE, the only thing to properly rank is number of people influenced. You should know that the ranking systems on 4chan are just playground level "my favorite thing can beat up your favorite thing".

>>6459212
you forgot hume

>>6460368
Nobody you quoted offered a ranking though.

>>6459212
That's not how you spell Kierkegaard

>>6460593
Literally
>hegel a shit b/c mfw no gf
The Philosophy

>>6459336
>'hurr you can't know that' the philosopher

>>6459212
>Hegel

Does anybody care about Spinoza?

>>6459241
Heraclitus and Plato
>Yes
Hegel and Kant
>No

Do you even Dialectics?

>>6459436
This.

>>6461043
Spinoza is very important on the progress of Philosophy, but I guess it's way too complicated for some fellows.

Why no Aristotle?

Also is Heraclitus seen as great due to the analysis of Hegel?

Hegel was a pseudo-intellectual, obscurantist, anti-scientific tool who achieved nothing of actual value. All he did was promote a culture of posturing and baseless assertions.

>>6461316
*tips fedora*

>>6460368
Ay getting my BA this may
but he's right
we arent qualified for shit
even if we understand the discussion, this is a game for elitists, or autists

>>6461242
>>Heraclitus
how do you even rate a philosopher whose only contributions are fragments

obviously he was a boss, no disagreement here, but a cogent application of his ideas is foolhardy, no. Heidegger would be his greatest successor

>>Plato, yes but not in a good sense. Idealism is the entire fuck up of philosophy

>>6461333
Continentals are the fedoras.

>>6459212

in terms of advancing idealism:
Plato, Kant, Heidegger, Derrida

In terms of advancing the discipline beyond the idealists:
Nietzsche, Deleuze, Adorno

In terms of appealing to neckbeards/autists everywhere:
analytics

>>6459212
None of those guys ever started up a milk bar

>>6461369
If your philosophy is only good for a certain field within continental philosophy, then it is bad philosophy. Thales could predict good harvests, Hegel just threw around capital letters and nothing concepts.

>>6461382
Yeah bro, Hegel had no influence at all.

Btw, stop posting.

>>6461388
No influence on anything useful. All Marx's ideology did was kill 200 million people.

>>6461388

op btfo

>>6461400

what is this fucking 8th grade

>>6461382
>>Based Thales
no discussion here. unshakeable faith in the whorl
>>Hegel
indiscernible until Koejeve reinterpreted

>>6461382
Phenomenology of the Spirit, even if you disagree with it, it agrees with you

>>6461382
It's funny because Hegel is making a comeback in Analytic Philosohpy with the Pittsburgh Hegelians like Robert Brandom, Lewis, Sellars etc. Also Robert Pippin

>>6461438

>>sellars
based af precursor to speculative realists

>>6461411
You sound like the child here. Anyone who unironically identifies with Marxist ideology is under 18.

>>6461468

I don't have to identify with it to call bullshit on a classic conservative argument. I just didn't like seeing it here. After all, I'm a New Yorker Post-Leftist Negri & Hardt cuckfag

>>6461537
I'm not a conservative, I'm a reactionary monarchist. There is nothing wrong with what I said, Marxist ideology was the biggest killer of the 20th century.

>>6459212
>Laozi

Nope. We're not sure he even exist. From what we know "Laozi" may have been a group of people writing under that name.

>>6461276
You're giving him too much credit. His execution of the geometric method is the weakest I've encountered. He's interesting as a post-Cartesian who mastered the Cartesian system and paced the way for Hegel, but that's all. Leibniz was superior in every way.

>>6461369
>Nietzsche, Deleuze, Adorno
>Moving the discipline forward
Next you'll tell me cultural Marxism doesn't exist

>>6461425
>indiscernible until Koejeve reinterpreted
What about Marx, Kierkegaard, and Stirner? You're giving Kojeve more credit than he deserves, as usual.

Plato was discoursing on his theory of ideas and, pointing to the cups on the table before him, said while there are many cups in the world, there is only one 'idea' of a cup, and this cupness precedes the existence of all particular cups.
"I can see the cup on the table," interrupted Diogenes, "but I can't see the 'cupness'".
"That's because you have the eyes to see the cup," said Plato, "but", tapping his head with his forefinger, "you don't have the intellect with which to comprehend 'cupness'."
Diogenes walked up to the table, examined a cup and, looking inside, asked, "Is it empty?"
Plato nodded.
"Where is the 'emptiness' which precedes this empty cup?" asked Diogenes.
Plato allowed himself a few moments to collect his thoughts, but Diogenes reached over and, tapping Plato's head with his finger, said "I think you will find here is the 'emptiness'."

where is Parmenides?

/lit/ - literature actually stands for pretentious philosophy majors, which actually stands for narrow viewed Western philosophy

>>6459212
>no aristotle
>no avicenna
>no aquinas

>>6461550
by the same logic, being born was the biggest killer in the 20th cent

>Kant and Hegel on the same list
>Kant on the same list as a Leibniz
wtf