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>>6447452
Where do you work?

I just love how this is your fifth attempt of creating an anti-communist thread today and you just keep getting rekt

>>6447454
I'm currently a student studying Sociology with a goal of working as a social worker.

You cunts read Soumission yet?

>>6447462
Not true proletariat, go work in a mine, then you can be a worker, you bourgeois 'student'.

>>6447461
>I just love how this is your fifth attempt
first actually and I am succeeding

>>6447466
Um, no. I came from a working class, black family. So, yeah. I'm definitely not bourgeois.

>>>/pol/

>>6447480
But why? When a containment board is not enough, a containment thread just might do the job.

>>6447487
Because if you want a capitalist hugbox. Go there.

>>6447461
Evola BFTO

>>6447490
>/pol/, the home of National Socialists
>capitalist hugbox

>>6447499
>>>/reddit/

>>6447500
I guess I should write conservative hugbox, which can also apply to some parts of capitalists.

>>6447500
>nationalsozialismus
>not saviours of capitalism

>>6447509
>National Socialists
>conservative
Conservative is an even narrower term than capitalist, you stupid American.

>>6447480
/reddit/

>>6447511
>I don't like them
>therefore these socialists are actually capitalists
Marxians, not even once.

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>the American thinks we're leftists
>demands a return to noblesse oblige with an image of an American ex-actor in a bastard striped tie laughing with an ex-shopgirl from Grantham
Jolly jape, old chum, but, unlike you, we're not social climbing scum.

>>6447512
You're just baiting now.
If you go to /pol/ you'll see they're conservative first national-socialist second.
Also National Socialism was socially and culturally conservative.

>>6447521
They're National Socialists. Only a few Americans are conservatives/liberals. Besides, the Nazis were reactionary, not conservative.

>>6447521
>Also National Socialism was socially and culturally conservative

National Socialism is too democratic

>>6447528
That seems like the exact opposite of what a feminist wants, there's nothing to complain about

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>>6447523
>the Nazis were reactionary, not conservative.
the nazis were socialists

>>6447534
Economically, yes.

>>6447523
Exactly. And like the other reactionary ideologies, like social democracy and modern American conservatism, its main purpuse was to protect the bourgeoisie values, along with the capitalist system, from the increasingly class-conscious masses.

>>6447523
Reactionary, conservative... same difference.

Okay, I'm baiting a little, but seriously what's the main difference? Conservatives try to uphold "status quo", but not the real current status quo, but some imagined status quo that never existed.
Reactionaries wish to go back to romantic pre-modern society, which also never existed and is in some way very similar to the ideal conservative status quo.

Also if we'd go with an actual definition of conservative, the left would be conservative right now, they're trying to prevent modern status quo of social state to be destroyed by the modern capitalists, who are in a way "progressive".

>>6447537
Except that didn't happen in Nazi Germany

>>6447534
good meme
>>6447536
>economically
>big industrial corporations like Krupp and Siemens literally brought Hitler to power

>>6447516
>" ‘Socialist’ I define from the word ‘social’ meaning in the main ‘social equity.’ A Socialist is one who serves the common good without giving up his individuality or personality or the product of his personal efficiency.

>"Our adopted term ‘Socialist’ has nothing to do with Marxian Socialism. Marxism is anti-property; true socialism is not. Marxism places no value on the individual, or individual effort, of efficiency; true Socialism values the individual and encourages him in individual efficiency, at the same time holding that his interests as an individual must be in consonance with those of the community. All great inventions, discoveries, achievements were first the product of an individual brain. It is charged against me that I am against property, that I am an atheist. Both charges are false.

>"The question of ‘nationalizing’ a people is first and foremost one of establishing healthy social conditions which will furnish the grounds that are necessary for the education of the individual. For only when family upbringing and school education have inculcated in the individual a knowledge of the cultural and economic and, above all, the political greatness of one’s country – then, and then only, will it be possible for him to feel proud of being a citizen of such a country. I can fight only for something that I live. I can only love what I respect. And in order to respect a thing I must at least have some knowledge of it."

Pretty sure Evola didn't see capitalism as any better than communism. Why not an anti-capitalist thread? and why would you use a picture of Reagan and Thatcher for an anti communist thread if you're a traditionalist?

>>6447543
and wall street financed the Bolsheviks so what?

>>6447549
kek

>>6447539
>Reactionary, conservative... same difference.
No, reactionary refers to a wish to restore the past, while a conservative wants to maintain the status quo.
>wish to go back to romantic pre-modern society, which also never existed
That's not what it means. It just means to restore a former order. A French monarchist is a reactionary, a British monarchist is a conservative.
>>6447537
Then why did the Nazis oppose capitalism? The only difference between regular socialism and National Socialism is that National Socialism is not internationaist, it is for the, for example, German people.

>>6447548
>Pretty sure Evola didn't see capitalism as any better than communism.
yes pic related

>Why not an anti-capitalist thread? and why would you use a picture of Reagan and Thatcher for an anti communist thread if you're a traditionalist?

Because /lit/ is infested with leftists.
Anti communism != pro capitalism.

>>6447547
see >>6447551

>>6447549
And the Bolsheviks were clearly more sympathetic toward capitalists than the proletariat, as evidenced that in Spain they fought *against* the Spanish Revolution. The Bolsheviks were an exclusvist, ruling class, much like the bourgeoisie.

There's one thing to be reactionary , aristocratic or anti-liberal, but neo-conservative? Thatcher? Reagan?

Kill yourself. Absolutely unacceptable.

>>6447559
Reagan and Thatcher are actually liberals, to be precise.

>>6447552
It is when you use a picture of Reagan and Thatcher as your backdrop, which is about as silly as communist making an anti-capitalist thread and using a picture of aristocrats.

>>6447541
How did he solve his "capitalist" problem? With corporatism and slave workers.
Also Hitler was one of the first to get that a successful party is a catch-all party. He said things that got him elected...

>>6447548
>expecting traditionalists to make sense.

>>6447551
Again, that would mean that German of French Social-Democrat, or Eastern European Socialist were also conservative, are they though?

>>6447561
except this is a anti communist thread
not pro capitalist
your point is moot

>>6447566
>except this is a bait thread
ftfy

The left must be deliberately and systematically destroyed if humanity is to have a future worth living in.

>>6447563
>Again, that would mean that German of French Social-Democrat, or Eastern European Socialist were also conservative, are they, though?
No, because they aren't trying to maintain a state of existence, they are progressives. They have an agenda to advance.

>>6447574
>this mad

>>6447579
Yes, I'm mad. The left is evil. They've destroyed society, and if they continue to have their way there will be nothing left. Throw them alongside the capitalists in the gas chambers, I say.

>>6447579
Go import more immigrants, you culture killing cuck.

>>6447575
Wouldn't you argue that social democracy reached its high in 1960's, and the 68 revolts were exactly revolts against the boredom and safety of the social welfare?
Neo-liberalism and modern capitalism is "progressive" in this context, and social welfare is conservative. They're not trying to instil any new changes, they just want to retain the social welfare that already existed.

>>6447556
Are you retarded? Nazi opposition to "Jewish-Marxist" finance capital was just rhetorical position. The big German industrial companies are what got them into power. This idealised volkisch nationalism was a way to capture the masses.

>>6447586
>This idealised volkisch nationalism was a way to capture the masses.
THIS so much.
It's like modern nazi-sympathisers and other defenders of Hitler forgot Hitler was a politician first. He said things to get into power.

>>6447586
They weren't communists, they still supported the rights of individuals to own capital within a nation, like modern socialists. They just supported socialism to strengthen the German proletariat.
>>6447585
I wouldn't say social welfare reached its heights then, considering the plight of many plebs today.

>>6447583
>le left is evil hurr!!
>fucking capitalists, throw them in chambers :DDD
you natsocs are a freak show
>>6447584
please tell me more how EU immigration policies are communist

>>6447592
I'm sorry, there is a huge language barrier here. Your conception of 'socialism' is completely ideological to me.

>>6447592
>I wouldn't say social welfare reached its heights then, considering the plight of many plebs today.
Well that's because social welfare went down since then. Since those times we're living in time when social welfare is slowly destroyed.
If you read what most western European protesters of 68 were protesting against and demanded, you'd realise that they were against the job security that was provided by the state and wanted a more "flexible jobs market". The generation of 68' ushered the age of neo-liberalism into Europe.

>>6447597
Socialism is an ideology, after all.

>>6447601
We only perceive a lack of jobs/wealth because we have recovered from the second world war death toll. There are too many people in Europe. The first order of business is to expel the non-natives.

>>6447607
yeah totes m8.
14/88 bro XD

>>6447609
Enjoying being forced to bow to Allah. Immigration will only stop when the immigrants have destroyed our nations, degrading them to a standard below that of their native lands.

>>6447602
there you have it. Exactly what I mean. Socialism seems to have been completely absorbed into the realm of bourgeois politics.mits been that way for well over a century now though, anyway. The only real issue is when people segregate this 'socialism' (you know, Nazi Germany, the USSR, 20th century welfare state, Lassallean social democracy, etc.) from capitalism. Communism on the other hand as a cultural idea still appears to be pretty vilified and threatening to bourgeois hegemenoy

>>6447617
Communism is an ideology, too.

>>6447616
>>>/pol/

>>6447601
>The generation of 68' ushered the age of neo-liberalism into Europe.

this, so much this

Most of those who were on the barricades in '68 are now fat fucks operating corporations and governments. Go figure.

>>6447624
>>>/tumblr/

>>6447617
Communism is associated more with people like Mao and Stalin. People like that did more to damage communism in worker eyes than any amount of liberal propaganda could.

>>6447623
Read Gilles Dauvé, specifically "Capitalism and Communism". Short and addresses exactly what you're confusing

>>6447616
Well if that does happen, by your logic, we should do the same to them.
So I can't wait for the Aryan paradise that will be Nigeria in 2079.

>>6447634
What an I confusing? How is communism not an ideology, a system of ideas and ideals, especially one which forms the basis of economic or political theory and policy?

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>>6447625
>Go figure.
It's actually really straight forward.
As I said, if you read their demands, they demand a more flexible job market, more flexible work hours, less state everywhere, and so on...

>>6447635
They're already over-populating those areas, retard.

>>6447641
Communism is an economic model, not ideology.

>>6447462
>>6447452
This is fucking comical

>>6447644
Still if everyone from Nigeria is moving to Germany, then everyone from Germany, should move to Nigeria. Problem solved.

>>6447646
You mean economic ideology.

>>6447646

A bad one at that.

>>6447641
Communism is an endpoint of worker praxis. Workers can be communists when they're on strike without even knowing it, whereas someone can be vocally for communism but part of the problem from a praxis angle. That is, communism CAN be ideology, but when it is, it ceases to be communism; the ideology part of communism isn't actually communism, since communism is distinguished by praxis which is contrasted with ideology. Most communists in the U.S. probably don't actually know they are communists, and it is not important that they do; communism is an organic result of class consciousness: class consciousness is not saying, "I'm a communist."

>>6447650
No, because Germans aren't reproducing enough and Nigerians are reproducing too much.

>>6447653
If the capitalism is ideology, so is communism.
>>6447658
We've yet to see that.

>>6447661
Praxis is just applied ideology. Replace communism with any other ideology and you have the same result.

>>6447646
It's actually not, or if it is, it's only in the vaguest, loosest most hypothetical of senses. Communism is what replaces wage labor, as wage labor largely replaced feudalism and feudalism largely replaced slavery. We can take guesses as to how that would work, but they're very limited.

>>6447670
>Communism is what replaces wage labor
Are you an oracle?

>>6447669
>Praxis is just applied ideology.
No, it's not. At least not in Marxism. Praxis can and generally does occur without any conscious, long-term ideology in mind. Again, workers on strike, for instance, might not be consciously communist, they might in fact mostly be consciously anti-communist, but their praxis is communist.

>>6447677
You do know praxis means application of theory, right?

>>6447461
Foucault put your trip back on we miss you.

>>6447676
No, that's really the point of Marxism. Prior to Marx, communists like Charles Fourier came up with elaborate systems of what communism would be. Marx, on the other hand, kept his ideas to a minimum based on what must be the case, and through the study of the Paris Commune. Workers control more of their labor under wage labor than they did under feudalism, and they controlled more under than than they did under slavery; so if they control more than wage labor, how would that work? what if they controlled all of it? these are interesting questions, but you can only answer so much of them before it becomes mere speculation.

>>6447681
Praxis is shaped by material conditions, not ideology.

>>6447690
>based on what must be the case
So Marx is the oracle here. You are just an ewe in his flock.
>>6447697
No, praxis means the application of theory. What you're saying is irrelevant.

>I am a communist

Somebody watched too many 80s movies instead of reading books.

>>6447719
>i am not a communist

>>6447711
No, based on the inevitable conclusions of worker solidarity. Marx thought communism itself was inevitable, I'm only talking about what would happen if workers kept joining unions and getting more and more demanding.

>No, praxis means the application of theory. What you're saying is irrelevant.
Praxis doesn't require theory, m80. In fact theory has never driven it.

>>6447735
>I'm leading the struggle against the bourgeoisie from my college dormitory

>>6447738
So it's a truism.
>If X happens, then X happens.
>>6447738
The definition of praxis is 'the application of theory'. Read a dictionary, preferably Oxford, kid.

>>6447743
>I'm leading the struggle against Jews from 4chan

>>6447743
>I'm leading the struggle against gommies from my parent's basement

>>6447754
Libertarianism is a form of communism, you stupid Amerinigger.

>>6447757
You're not even trying any more.

>>6447743

is that fucking gottfrid svartholm in the back right there?

>>6447757
>Libertarianism is a form of communism

>>6447757

>>6447499
I'm not reading this yellow shit.

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>>6447760
I want burgerclaps to leave.