/lit/ - Literature

it is, that's why they are E X C E P T I O N S

>>6380078
Like Mary?

>>6380078
Actualy they are teh norm

>>6380078
Has Protestantism produced any female writers other than Televangelists?

hmm who taught you to believe that

Women are at their best when they accept and nourish their natural femininity.

Great minds can find ways to shine through the limitations imposed on them. Catholicism is no more women hating than ISIS. Both believe western liberalism is more hateful to women, turning them into sluts whereas they keep them coddled and safe. There are significant female writers in other religious and non-religious traditions, even islam.

>>6380144
>There are significant female writers in other religious and non-religious traditions, even islam.
Orly? Name one.

>>6380178
He said "significant", not "good". Significant can mean many different things...

>>6380119
>natural femininity
>femininity is not a male construct

ok

>>6380075
who is this gorgeous woman?

>>6380182
I'll settle for even a 'significant' female Muslim writer.

>>6380144
>keep them coddled and safe
Like when they were in the Algerian Liberation Front, took over Liberia, and worked as Qaddafi's personal bodyguard?

>>6380075
Who is this sperm worm?

>>6380118
i imagine OP is a college student. that totally sounds like some social pseudo-science that modern college agendas go by

>I was taught to believe Catholicism was oppressive and woman-hating.

stop learning from subhumans

>>6380075
>Flannery O'conner + most of these authors

>Great

Get hip to authors like Ahkmatova and tell me Flannery O'Conner is even readable

>>6380184
>male
>gender not patriarchal social construct

It hasn't.

>>6380110
Madeleine L'Engle

>>6380671
O'Connor is great

>>6380714
Who?

>>6380075 Adding
Edith Sitwell.
The Madwoman Margery Kempe.
Blessed Julian of Norwich.

Technically, any mainstream Christian could claim the last two as well.

>>6380178
http://www.amazon.com/Early-Sufi-Women-Niswa-al-Mutaabbidat/dp/1887752064

>>6380216
Rabia Basri

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rabia_Basri

>>6381856
Nice, will check them out.

>tfw no one wears chapel vales anymore

It takes more than just personal beliefs to make a good writer

>>6380075
Possibly because Catholics and women are morons

>>6380075

That's because there is actually a core element in Feminism which isn't retarded leftism but is actually Catholic. We have to consider the symbolic importance of the virgin Mary. In most societies women derive their value derivatively from men they were sexually involved with or sexually produced, but Mary brought God into the flesh despite never being in a sexual relationship with a man. Woman alone has divine access and unity just as man does in Christianity, woman as she is can bring God into the flesh, this alone is a radically pro-female gesture, but it does not delude itself into thinking that men and women are equal in every way, or that sex and gender are not essential, rather it embraces woman as woman and elevates her by her own standard, rather than making her a parody of man.

This is why Christianity ( Catholicism for Western countries since Protestantism is basically Wahhabism for Christians) produces the best females in general and why western civilization has been preserving female freedom, dignity and even power since the middle ages( queens and noble women were quite politically active until the democratic age). Unfortunately with Feminism we took this core understanding of female dignity and took it to a ridiculous degree and ended up degrading women with it by adopting bad anti-historical narratives based on the resentment and boredom of spoiled bourgois women.

>>6381795
a wrinkle in time? no?

>>6382495
Never ceases to amaze me how christians can distort and misread history so badly to fit their world view.

>>6382521

I would say the same thing about anti-theists, and left wing people in general.

Because it naturally produces great writers, some of whom are women. Catholicism, in its purest form, is a magnificent religion, which can inspire the greatest art. I say this as an atheist.

>>6382495
>rather it embraces woman as woman and elevates her by her own standard

>woman gives birth
>without having sex
>very important person because she was able to avoid that sinful, icky, vile act of female sex
>an "empowering" woman
She's not a parody of man, she's a parody of women

>>6382569

Well it's not the Church's fault if you are retarded and make up a negative interpretation that fits your prejudices.

>>6380075
I think it's just because the educated world was largely made up of Catholics for a very long time. That these authors were Catholic is merely incidental.

>>6382592
By that measure it doesn't produce a great number.

>>6382569
But it's not different for male celibates either. It's a general elevation of the spiritual above the material. Yes, Mary represents maternal love, just as Jesus / God represents fatherly love. In that sense it's "traditional". But the empowerment comes from recognizing both sexes' ability to access the divine, and celibates in the Catholic view tend to have more proclivity for this naturally due to their more spiritual, rather than material, attunement. Which isn't to say the material, including sexual reproduction, is entirely bad.

>>6382625

Good post. Since Catholics do not believe in the reality of evil, nothing that exists is fully bad. Evil is just a lack of what should be in a certain creation. God created everything, thus everything created is good, only what is lacking what it should have due to an act of free will that has become misguided brings about evil. God made the flesh, thus the flesh is good, when the flesh gets in the way of the spirit then we are lacking and that is bad, but the flesh itself is not evil.

>>6382580
>making up interpretation
The fuck are you talking about? Everything in the Bible places women second. Created second. Was the one who tempted Adam into evil, etc. Why is it important that she's a virgin? Because the Church looks down on sexuality

>>6382618
Exactly. I don't think it does.

>>6382649
>Because the Church looks down on sexuality

Yes, historically the Church has a bad reputation when it comes to sexuality. At best you could say she was naive; at worst cruel.

However, many Churches are seeking to be more open-minded now, and starting to accept that sexuality is part of the human condition. Yes, the Catholic Church! However stodgy Rome might be, it doesn't mean your local Catholic Church is a bunch of stodgsters!

Last week I led my youth group in watching Blue Is the Warmest Color. We had a riveting discussion about it -- about the LGBTQ lifestyle, about the exploration of sexuality, about growing... about the human condition, essentially.

It's been my opinion that the Church will die if it doesn't recognize that sexuality is one of the most beautiful forms of human expression, and that these contemporary expressions are not sinful, but profound.

>>6382666
>Blue is the Warmest Color
>youth group

You did not show them that! It's practically pornography. I masturbated twice during that film.

>>6382666
>Last week I led my youth group in watching Blue Is the Warmest Color

And to think I almost believed this post.

>>6382649

> Created second.

Funny you mention that, you are confusing Arian and Trinitarian metaphysics in this case.
http://www.firstthings.com/blogs/leithart/2015/04/gender-arianism-again

Eve fell for Satan's trick, yes, no one is denying that.Perhaps there are grounds for putting men as the head and as protectors of women, because woman is vulnerable to make bad mistakes for both of them. But my point was that both men and women have access to the divine and have a degree of "spiritual equality" guaranteed by the faith.

You are stating an incoherent position anyways.

Before in this post >>6382569 your point was that Mary was virgin because the church thought that specifically female sex is icky. But as >>6382625 mentioned sexuality is seen as dangerous for both men and women, so your sense that there is something particularly wrong with female sex rather than male sex ( i assume as an attempt to show that the Church is misogynist) doesn't follow. As I mentioned a bit earlier >>6382642 God created our sexual impulses, thus they are good, it is only a sin when we misuse them. The church is not against sexuality in esse, but only abuses of sexuality.

So
> because the Church looks down on sexuality
is incorrect.
>very important person because she was able to avoid that sinful, icky, vile act of female sex
is also incorrect.

>>6382592
But Catholicism shapes O'Connor, Anscombe, Weil, Stein's entire work so much.

>>6382649
We like Mary because she lived her life according to contradiction.

That's something too subtle for feminists to understand.

>>6380184
>breastfeeding and nurturing of young is a social construct

>>6380144
>comparing Catholicism to Islam

>>6382666
In the name of Jesus Christ Our Lord, The Holy Spirit, and Our Heavenly Father, I cast Satan out of this board. We don't believe your lies here.

>>6380184
I agree. Penis and vagina are linguistic constructs always already deconstructed.

Tell that to your doctor next time he's trying to save your life.

>>6380078

>Catholicism is oppressive and woman-hating
Proofs?

>>6380184

>being attractive to the opposite sex is a bad thing
>this attraction is based on social norms and not biological hardwiring
Come on.

>>6380110
Anne Bradstreet wrote some good poetry

>>6380075
Ah, you've gotten back to us from that last Catholic women thread.
>>6380108
>Actualy they are teh norm
Which is why there are just as many women as men in the "great" category in Catholic history, right? No, wrong of course.

>>6380532
>Who is this sperm worm?
>>6380663
>stop learning from subhumans
>>6382341
>tfw no one wears chapel vales anymore
Typical

>>6382495
>That's because there is actually a core element in Feminism which isn't retarded leftism but is actually Catholic
I donno. Count the Catholics.

>We have to consider the symbolic importance of the virgin Mary
She was held onto for cultural reasons. The people needed their earth goddess symbol. It's a "pagan" tradition.

>>6381872
>Sufi
Heresy! Haram!

Catholicism: The Doctrine is quite separate from Catholicism: the demographics. Most Catholics support gay marriage, for instance. And the ordination of my priest, a woman, was attended by two Catholic priests she's friends with (she's obviously not Catholic)

>>6383171
American catholics more culturally as protestant and degenerate than in europe.

>>6383189
Yes, only 44% of Catholics in Europe support gay marriage. They'll really have to step up their game though if they want to get as patrician as African Catholics (1% support gay marriage)

A few years from now the catholic church will be proudly boasting their long history of giving sanctuary to gay men. They just so love to swing with the times.

>>6383209
Nah, but the Catholic Church will ordain women before the century is out, I've talked to several Catholic priest who think so, and at least on person who's talked to the Pope and says he's pretty sure the Pope privately supports he, he's just not about to cause a schism, their has to be closer to 90% support within the Church of it to happen. Once that happens, then I think in a decade or two they will start talking about famous gay Catholics.

>>6383217
Christianity is a fucking joke. It needs to die.

>>6383217
What's the point ordaining women when you have nuns?

>>6383231
Nuns are female monks, brah, not female priests.

>>6383224

>>6383217
the current Pope is a piece of shit

>>6383217
As an ardent Catholic who goes to Mass every Sunday and feast day, and likes to read theology for fun... I wouldn't mind.

The ultimate question is whether women have a share of apostolic succession. The objection has always been that the Apostles were all men, and thus priests should be men. However, it was a great tradition of the early Church to hold Mary Magdalene on the same level as the Apostles. Gregory the Great famously called her "the Apostle to the Apostles." Her sister Martha also deserves consideration.

This, plus the fact that there were female priests and bishops in the early Church (Paul writes about a number of them) makes me comfortable with female priests. In fact, I'm more in favor of female priests than I am in favor of married priests.

>>6383254
I hear he actually said we need to work more on solving poverty.

>>6383251
Muslim actually.

>>6383260
These things don't concern the "Catholics" from /lit/

>>6383261
Well buddy, Islam needs to die along with it.

>>6383271
The west is cancer, Islam is the answer. lel.

>>6383256
Well, according to a letter from Atto of Vercelli, to St. Ambrose, the early Church had numerous female priests because it was found that converting and ordaining pagan priestesses was very effective at getting pagans to convert. It says in the letter that this dates back to the time of Paul and Paul was cool with it.

And speaking of married priests, female pagan priestesses often had to be virgins, and since (according to a letter by Pope Gelasius I) women had to be at least 40 to be a priest, pagan priestesses were extremely convenient here too, because most women are not still single at 40 unless they're prostitutes.

>>6383256
Yeah, I'm a Catholic and I feel the same way you do. Celibate priests are important, even if there is precedent of married priests, because you don't want priests having kids and setting up a dynasty within the Church, that leads to corruption. Imagine how that could affect the Papacy (and Borgia is an example of this, he set his son up as a cardinal).

>>6383293
It also has symbolic/theological considerations. The priest stands in for Christ, and the Church is the "bride of Christ." A priest must be married to the Church. He/she can't be truly devoted to the people of God if he/she has a spouse.

>>6383260
he does nothing but make general statements that appeal to the masses but never really does anything about them
he has achieved literally nothing

>>6383275
Answers don't cure cancer. Especially ancient horny desert poet answers.
>lel
As if.

>>6383301
Just sounds like more sexism. Pussy made you soft man, will the wife let you administer sacraments.

>ctrl+f Joyce
>no matches

what is this thread even about

>>6380075
ebin b8y m8y m8

>>6383349
Here is your answer, no more cancer.

>>6380663
>at the helm of Western Civilization since its inception


>subumans

>>6383349
Typical white bigot. Shame on you.

>>6383363
Joyce liked catholic mass a lot and Aquinas and Aristotle but he was a man.

>>6383526
>>at the helm of Western Civilization since its inception

no

>>6380075
I think you are confusing "causative" and "correlative." Catholicism has a congregation of 1.2 billion people - consider the number of writers who are not Catholic that fall under related demographics.

>>6384882
No because Catholicism shapes their philosophy.

>>6380075

It's because they suffer heavily within Catholic repression. As they self actualize into adulthood, they begin to understand their state and externalize all the things they've internalized over the years. This creates, magical writing.

Too many great writers were catholic.

I agree.