/lit/ - Literature

He probably wasn't exposed to too much postmodern literature in his youth, so unless he finds it interesting from the get go, it's not going to be his cup of tea.

You might try asking him to read Tristram Shandy, although it has an anti-Papist diatribe in it

Post modern literature is actually extremely accessible for anyone under 30 these days because of the age we're living in. Back in the 60's, if you talked to someone about the attributes of post modern literature, people would probably have been confused. It was radical stuff back then. If you were to explain to someone these days about some of the tools of postmodernism, they'd probably reply by saying "oh, like on the Simpsons, when x does so and so."

People think postmodernism is this avant guarde, pretentious, edge master shit, but it's actually just a reflection the current age. Every young person knows what post modernism is. We understand it because we live it. If the dudes been working on this piece set in the 1700's I doubt he keeps with the times too much.

>>6377639

He's probably the most patrician man you will ever meet. Don't even try to confront him on his taste. Try to absorb whatever knowledge you can from him.

It depends really.
Post-postmodernism postmodernism is pretty garbage if that is the stuff you are showing him, but if he can't appreciate actual postmodernism I'd normally say he was a pleb-
but due to being so well read maybe it is us who are the plebs.

>Is he a pleb

Lol, no. He's like a Buddha of lit conessiurs. He's transcended the hierarchies of pretenders here

300 y.o pope edition? I don't know much about old books but that's pretty cool.
Have you ever had it evaluated?
How is the condition?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Modernism
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Postmodernism

Joyce isn't postmodern, dumbass, vanguards are modernist. There is no postmodern literature, it's a critical method. Could you stop being such a fucking tool, please?

>>6377792
Postmodernism rejects essentialism and structuralism.

>>6377798
would you consider those two tied to a particular genre or writing style?

>>6377792
;^)

>>6378091
Yes wikipedia is postmodern literature. It is also a huge pile of shit riddled with errors.

>>6377639
>works at the local tip shop
post >yfw Americans have stores specifically for tips

A Greek scholar wouldn't understand romantic era literature, the great Russians, Cervantes, English poets, etc. It's just accessibility. There will be some great postmodern works. He won't like them because he has different taste. Really good taste, probably. But just because someone with good taste doesn't like postmodernism doesn't mean it's garbage.

>>6378116
It's actually Australia.
Americans don't give a shit about recycling old junk.

>>6377639
if he has read 7,000 books like you claim he has, I imagine it would be pretty hard for him to still be a "pleb"

>>6378278

>if I read 7000 vampire romance novels I will be a patrician

>>6378286
Patrician of the vampire genre. That's PoMo for you, there is no Patrician merely patricians.

>>6378278
You outta see my YA collection. I've got all the classics (from john green, jk Rowling) lots of 'distopians (hunger games, the divergent) romance (twilight, 50 shades) and heaps more!

If you come to my place, I'll even lend you some, anon!!

(But only LEND, because books are my life) #bookgeek

>>6377639

Has he shown you any of what he's written so far? If so, how is it?

>>6378091
Ulysses is modernist Finnegan's wake is post-modernist

>>6377639
>Roman Catholic man
>who works at the local tip shop
[tipping intensifies to retail level]

>>6377639
postmodern anything is complete dogshit.

>>6377639
Has he just been reading for he stories?
Then he might be.

>>6379360

FW is neither modernist nor postmodernist. FW achieved what the modernists sought to achieve, it created a symbol with a life of its own, the constant relocation of symbolic meaning achieved in FW is the apotheosis of the symbol, whereas posmodern literature is not necessarily tendentious, though if a goal had to characterize it, it would be the constant DElocation of symbolic meaning as a sort of preemptive suicide to prevent an unwilling death. FW is the death of a man who believed in heaven, and the release of a real soul in the form of a living symbol, whereas the great postmodernist works use the mundane elements of symbolic reality (dictionary language as opposed to FW's limitless language) to better imagine what death might be like so we are not so shocked when it occurs (as we are always so afraid will happen immanently). Pynchon, Delillo, and in a certain sense, Borges are all examples of people who engaged in burning the effigy of meaning whereas Joyce was a man who created an object of limitless meaning without devaluing the concept or destroying it in any fashion.

Based off how you've described him, I'm guessing it's just not his cup of tea. PoMo is, at its core, a little odd and it attracts a certain kind of person.

With that said, reading a whole doesn't necessarily mean reading well. I know a few prolific readers, and some of them are simply not smart enough to grasp the more abstruse end of literature, nor are they ever going to be.

Reading more certainly helps, but there's a point a person reaches, one that I think is attained quite quickly (perhaps after 200 works of quality), where they've been trained in all that literature can teach them. From that point onwards, the reader is limited more so by their ability to put two and two together.

This limitation should be immediately obvious if you look at movies. Unlike literature, film is still thriving and your average person is versed in its fundamentals. Yet most will never be able/want to move beyond cape-shit and rom-coms.

>>6377639
>roman catholic

*blinks* ummmm why are you associating with a bigoted scumbag?

>>6377639
>op gets to tip one day
>hey dude
>writer hands op his manuscript
>it starts glowing
>writer ascends back to heaven in a silvery hue
>it was Jesus' 2nd coming all along
>op has the new gospels

>>6379527
>op gets to tip one day
>hey dude
>writer hands op his manuscript
>it starts glowing
>Then you realize it is based on a manga.

>>6379527
the new new testament: postmodern edition

>>6379536
>4k pages
>he's spent 10 years working on it
>absolute garbage

how would you even respond?

He's the true patrician /lit/ will never be

>>6379527
Jesus's 2nd coming is the end of the world anon

>>6377639
>Is he a pleb
anything labelled as part of a post-modernist current is pretty shitty, minus very few exceptions.

Become his student.

>yfw op is talking to the next Shakespeare

Don't fuck this up

>>6379539

In the beginning was the Word, violer d'amores, who over the scraggy isthmus of H'ven brought the Word and was with God, and the Word (bahahahahahahahahaha-nuk!) was God. 2 He was with God in the beginning. Da boys in da hayloft. 3 Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made. 4 And yes in him was life and yes that life was the light of all mankind yes I will yes. 5 The light shines in the darkness, Bananas and a missle in the dark over the sea, and the darkness has not overcome it. Issavan Essavan.

>>6377639
We must have this manuscript, OP. I don't care how often you have to suck Catholic dick to get it. Do it.

>>6379418
jesus christ this is pretentious.

>>6377680
fucking seriously this

And post-modernism flows from the premise of the non-existance of God. For a Christian, it may be interesting intellectually, but not powerfully meaningful like it is for the rest of us.

>>6378157
>salvation army
>goodwill
>etc. thrift stores

>>6377639
man, OP is a faggot

i don't even have a reaction for this

>>6379373
underrated comment

>>6379541
>I liked it! It was really good!
And never again talk to him.

He's probably pulling a Wallace and pretending he's never read Pynchon, all the while churning out page after page of a post-modern masterpiece that will define three separate generations.

>>6380540
He works in my parents hometown.
If I get a chance to drop by before I go to japan, I'll try and get a copy (or at least a sample)

>>6377639
He must be a true patrician, if he can call postmodernism the garbage it really is.

>>6378157
>mfw british columbian
>mfw thrift store every other block