/lit/ - Literature

Yes he's quite obviously right, but I'm going to pretend I've never seen that paragraph so that I can retain a pittance of joy in this awful world.

I'd like to believe that women can be virtuous. I'm constantly looking for a counterexample to Schopie's claims.

Haven't found her yet. Every woman I've ever dated has been a self-absorbed maniac. Do I think that all women are this way? No. I'm just waiting for my counterexample.

>>6353125
my mother is a counter example
but she's not for you >:)

>>6353129

keke

>>6353129
lel

>>6353129
She's a lusty, gluttonous goo-gobbling semen demon.

Trust me, I found out last night m8 ( ;

>>6353129
Does your dad look happy? Didn't think so.

>>6353125
Just imagine what an average nigger's day is like. The world must always be an adventure when you're that congenitally stupid. Hilarious.

>Nature has made it the calling of the young, strong, and handsome men to look after the propagation of the human race; so that the species may not degenerate. This is the firm will of Nature, and it finds its expression in the passions of women. This law surpasses all others in both age and power. Woe then to the man who sets up rights and interests in such a way as to make them stand in the way of it; for whatever he may do or say, they will, at the first significant onset, be unmercifully annihilated. For the secret, unformulated, nay, unconscious but innate moral of woman is: We are justified in deceiving those who, because they care a little for us,—that is to say for the individual,—imagine they have obtained rights over the species. The constitution, and consequently the welfare of the species, have been put into our hands and entrusted to our care through the medium of the next generation which proceeds from us; let us fulfil our duties conscientiously.

>>6353093
He taught Wolverine how to do his hair, and he shares that women remain children their entire lives.

Sounds to me like he knew what time it is.

>>6353093
>Well, was he right?

Yes. Pic related.

>>6353268
/pol/ pleb please go.

>>6353093

Maybe he was more right regarding the women of his day, who were more oppressed and thus were incapable of having the kind of more enlightened and well educated background women today have luxury of having.

>>6353093
Absolutely true.

>>6353509
nice meme dude

>>6353518
meme?

>>6353525
the one where all of human history is instantly wished away by "oppression"

You people have like a 3-card deck, and play those three cards in repeat forever.

>>6353093
yup.

>>6353533
To their credit, they did say "maybe", not "this is the way it is"

There is some amount of truth to it, regardless of how much.

>>6353509
>Enlightenment
>Education

Sorry Anon, but you can't enlighten someone who has no interest. Those "well educated" women of today don't care about intelligence or clarity of thought, either; only social mobility.

>>6353551
>you can't free slaves that don't want to be freed and/or haven't contemplated freedom

>Taking Schopenhauer's opinions on the women of his time to be truth for the women of this time

Face it. Although this man changed philosophy, his claims of women are simply assertions with no back-up.

Also, the women of his time are in no way similar to the women of today.

>>6353539
No there isn't. Women are fascinated with the idea of being wise and intelligent, not wisdom or intelligence itself. How much pussy would a modern day Socrates pull?

>>6353568
...
>>6353509 already made the point, follow the red-brick road

>>6353571
Socrates wouldn't be a fan of closing doors the way that you are. Allow yourself to be surprised by counterexamples that you don't expect - i.e. individuals that are female that break the mold you're establishing - and enjoy life that much more.

Plato's mother was a Pythagorean after all.

>>6353556
That's true though. Physical freedom is a delusion, even in today's society.

>>6353586
>but slavery was abolished (in U.S.)

>>6353575
Oh yes, the ol' "I made the point first, I'm smarter"

Nice one, dude.

It's an anonymous image board. Get over yourself.

>>6353595
You missed the part of how he was just trying to help you follow the conversation you want to have.

The unwarranted hostility of the internet has reached critical mass.

>>6353599
Ah, yes.

The ol' passive aggressive "Follow the red birck road" line.

A classic indeed.

>>6353568
All philosophy is polemical at its core you retard

>>6353539
The maybe was clearly rhetorical

>>6353491

join the party dudes

>>6353584
I'm telling you, that you have no empathy; you aren't seeing this from a female perspective. Women themselves (yes all of them), are much more concerned with social mobility, attention, and attracting high status males than gaining knowledge or wisdom. You have to talk to women more: as a group, they don't value high intelligence. How many women would pursue a science in isolation, for example?

>>6353614
But clearly it wasn't and was simply a "but wait this is also a possibility"...

>>6353606
Hm, well done.

That does not justify the claim, idiot.

But please go on and explain why philosophy being polemical justifies assertions with no evidence?

>>6353093
>>The nobler and more perfect a thing is, the later and slower is it in reaching maturity.
Well since insects are born ready, horses need a few minutes to learn to walk, apes a few years to get their shit together and humans decades, I think he's on to something. The more cultural as opposed to instinctual and the more intelligent a being is the longer it takes to reach maturity.

>>6353509
The problem is that basically everything he wrote applies to women today just the same.

>>6353302
Come on.. You can't be serious! A lot of the stuff he writes is absolutely retarded but seriously, how autistic would you have to be in order to reject a platonic hug from a woman? It doesn't mean that a woman wants to have sex just because she hugs you. It's not that confusing.. But yeah, the part about her having to feel like the lucky one is spot on, but there's a lot more to that than just making her fear that you might fall in love with someone else. Or am i wrong?

>>6353592
>massah stops giving you food
>massah gives you coins instead
>give the coins back to massah
>get food
>we free now

>>6353125
cosi fan tutte

>>6353724
muh social mobility
muh Carnegie

>>6353714
it appeals to your idea of women but it doesn't reflect reality at all, no

>>6353723
>how autistic would you have to be in order to reject a platonic hug from a woman?

Lol, hugs are for fucking babies. They don't do shit for me, even from a GF. Srs. Fuck off, m8.

Who hurt you, Arty?

>first time on 4chan in weeks
>see schoppy.jpeg
>think 'surely this isn't yet another schopenhauer thread about his essay on women rather than on the world as will or any of his systematic philosophy'
>it is

wtf m8s

>>6353934
xD we'll played you clever meme-er I haven't laughed that hard at a well-timed meme in YEARS

Is it really only women who are short sighted and childish? Aren't most PEOPLE like this? Guys always talk about how they ignore feelings and are all stoics who only use reason, but are just as likely to make stupid emotional decisions. There are guys who fight people over cutting them off in traffic, or murder somebody for disagreeing with them, or really just act like an asshole for no reason except they feel kind of angry. Are men really superior thinkers?

I have met a lot of completely reasonable people of both genders, but I've also met a lot of retards on both sides.

why are there people on this board that are dedicated to fighting sexism and injustice or something by making the same posts over and over in ~problematic threads. do you guys get fulfillment from this?

>>6353620
False.

I completely reject any form of sexism that says one sex is 'better' than the other. I think that's absurd, it's obvious to me that men and women are about equal in terms of intelligence, and the differences that may have made men superior in the past (physical strength) are largely irrelevant now.

I will say this though. I think Schopenhauer, Weininger and Freud are on to something when they say that women have less of a sense of objective morality than men do. Women seem to act based on direct feelings of affection or hostility, men moreso on established moral dogma. This doesn't prove as much as Schopenhauer thinks in favor of men, though. If someone is a good person by having a benevolent disposition, that's arguably worth more than some sneering douchebag who holds himself back from committing technical sins because he's really committed to morality; the latter's malevolent nature will still come out in unconscious ways.

>>6353948
>>first time on 4chan in weeks
damn bro you almost escaped

Distinct lack of white knights.
Are the identity politics dorks out tonight hoping their book readin' will appeal to all those intelligent ladies out there?

The funny part is anyone who has casually fucked a considerable amount of women knows just how wrong white knights are about women's natures.

>>6354321
>it's obvious to me that men and women are about equal in terms of intelligence,
The mean average is around the same, but that's deceptive because men have more geniuses AND more idiots.

>>6354338
because women into casual sex are a particular type of women

>>6354338
"your sister" does not constitute a considerable amount of women

>>6354338
Having been both a white knight and a womanizer, let me tell you that the women you have casual sex with and the women the white knights defend are two very different breeds. The former are unprincipled whores; the latter, unprincipled prudes.

>>6353113

This is me right now after really having this sort of shit revealed to me pre-Schopenhauer. I read him after my wake-up call and only saw most of what I had thought formulated right in from of me.

He just confirmed it further, but to live by this turns you into an embittered cunt. You're right in knowing fully well this is the deal, but your mind becomes a swamp of contempt if you evoke this time and time again.

Also, I think thirsty orbiters are the bane of the postmodern world.

>>6354355

I know such a prude. 22 year old virgin girl.
Tonight she messaged me she got buzzed on the dancefloor in Prague and fucked two guys.

>continentals

>>6354381
Do you guys think it's healthy to feel absolutely disgusted by these stories? I'm not even religious but when I hear about otherwise innocent girls behaving promiscuously I become so incredibly repulsed. I'm not talking about girls have sex with their boyfriends. That's perfectly fine. It's when they frequently have casual sex or have one-night-stands with men they meet at clubs.

>>6353571

>he actually thinks women get a boner for intelligence

You are deluded beyond anything I can imagine.
You're gonna face some hard facts in life bro.

>>6354414
I don't have a problem with my GF having been promiscuous before me, as long as she doesn't tell me about it, because I don't really want to know.

I just stipulate that if she ever fucks or thinks about fucking someone else, she can leave immediately.

>>6354414

No, it shows your moral compass is working fine.
Most of the world's compass isn't and it's a healthy response to be disgusted.

People are not necessarily hypocrtical. It's just that their primal nature will always make them betray their so-called 'convictions'.

>>6353996

underrated post

>>6354414

It's only natural to be repulsed.

Since Engels a lot of thinkers have tried to convince us that during most of humanity's existence men were fine with women fucking around during the full moon orgies. That being so would mean that there would have probably been harems of women around a select group of men, not an equal distribution.
The ugly chicks probably didn't get as much action either.
I guess you can see the Freudian genesis tier stories come into play here.

The sexual revolution shows it too. Lack of confidence and looks? Well forget about landing much pussy.
Maybe you have a chance someone will touch your genitals, maybe not.

>inb4 some faggot rages his ass saying you deserve it
>yeah thanks for proving my point

>>6354478
>Since Engels a lot of thinkers have tried to convince us that during most of humanity's existence men were fine with women fucking around during the full moon orgies.

I sincerely doubt men have ever been fine about that kind of behavior, whatever that faggot said in The Origin of the Family.

>>6354498

It's what's been en vogue since the 60's again, to claim there was a Hesiod tier Golden Age of sexual liberty in the state of nature.

Very popular idea among the New Age guru's/tumblrgentsia.

Like the book "Sex at Dawn", a New York Times bestseller claiming it's only natural for us to be promiscuous or inclined to be promiscuous.
Might be true, but "what's natural is good" is never an argument for me.

>>6354498
Spartans enjoyed cuckoldry though.

>>6354513

>Lycurgus, the Spartan lawgiver, he tells us, thought the best expedient against jealousy, was to allow men the freedom of imparting the use of their wives to whom they should think /fit/

>>6353093
Manchildren think Schopey justifies them playing video games in their mother's basement until 40 because they're going to be billionaires when they finally grow up

>>6354508
>Sexual liberty

For me, sexual liberty means you get to choose your life partner yourself, for me it never meant fucking as much as possible, and contracting aids in the process.

>>6354513
>Enjoyed

I don't think it's enjoyable to pass your GF around like a tootsie-roll, but whatever floats your boat.

>>6354539
>they're going to be billionaires when they finally grow up

I don't think I'm going to be a billionaire when I grow up, but I'm pretty sure I'm not going to do anything worthwhile in my life, and even if I tried to do anything worthwhile it would still be a piss in the ocean that I accomplished anything of value anyway.

>>6354541

Some pedo's in the 60's hoped all this liberation might even lead to people being ok with them fucking children.

http://www.spiegel.de/international/zeitgeist/the-sexual-revolution-and-children-how-the-left-took-things-too-far-a-702679.html

>>6353093
He was right when he wrote it.

While the history of gender roles still have a notorious influence today, it cannot be say that apply as much as it did until the XIX century.

>>6354552
Idd it did, I remember reading about that.

Goes to show that ethics is an alien concept for these people.

>>6353996
Good point, it's just that there are so many great men, that it's easy to forget the mediocres.

>>6354414
Yes it's healthy.

>>6354508
But naturalism is a fallacy when used for racism

>>6354513
I'm sure there's no biased history there.

>>6354572

Meh it does still apply.

Like said earlier in this thread, how many women would pursue a science in isolation for example?

>>6353129
Howso? Is your mother an historian , or a futurologist?

I believe the man was not seeking to insult women at all, but only hoping to qualify their intelligence. Only in America could this be considered an insult, with its foolish assertion that woman is also another man.

>>6354023
spooks and so on and so on

>>6354321
What about hormones?

>>6353934
It's karma from that time he tried to make Kant popular by a) getting people to read Kant, and, b) saying after reading Kant himself, there could be no Kant himself.

>>6353623
What do you mean "assertion with no evidence"?

When is the last time you left your basement? Have you even spoken face to face with a woman before? This Disneyfied view of females that virgin white knights have would be hilarious were it not so incessantly common. Instead it's just depressing.

>>6354321
underrated post

>>6354592
>romans were literally shitposting about the greeks being cucks
>it's now commonly accepted

>>6354321
>the differences that may have made men superior in the past (physical strength) are largely irrelevant now.
It only seems irrelevant because if you do something that's not allowed, a group of strong men will come and fuck you up. We have delegated violence to specialists, it hasn't been removed to society. It's not irrelevant so much as that women now have access to a goon squad in the form of police. Even more so then men, since they can play the victim part more easily.