/lit/ - Literature

>>6348175
Gibbons pls go

>>6348175
it has great art and literary folk (dante, milton, kierkegaard). If you don't know about Christianity and attempt to learn about the Western canon ur kekworthy and should off yourself before trying

>I'm afraid of the hat meme guys, can jesus still love me ;_;

Legitimately, not as a meme, I think you should kill yourself.

>>6348175

>>6348175
>Slave Morality
Nietzsche shill please go

>>6348175
Consider for a moment that your entire perception of Christianity is based off of the opinions of non-Christians. You have no idea what Christianity as evidenced by calling it a "slave morality." In reality, Christ set us free.

Start with Lewis.

>>6349598
This, if slave morality gets me to heaven then who gives an f

Was Christianity really so important for so many artists? The Renaissance was just thinly covered Greek art disguised as Christian propaganda.

>>6349608

And your opinion is based on Christians, who are even more biased

>>6349635
>they were only pretending!

>>6349646
Biased in the same way a mechanic is biased when discussing an engine.

>>6349651

Yes, except that engines actually exist

>>6349635
Wow...just wow. There is much more Christian inspired art than just from the renaissance.

>>6349657

...as opposed to Christianity, which doesn't exist?

>>6348175

Like everything else, you just take the good parts and reject the rest.

Christianity has some positive elements.

Roughly, I would say that biblical morality consists of three things:

1. A generally socialist ethos of charity and helping the poor.

2. A kind of socially conservative outlook on non-economic issues; a generally puritanical streak with regard to sex and sexual orientation, some vague racism in places, a militaristic outlook in the old testament.

3. A 'progressive' view of history that argues time is not exclusively cyclical but that we're moving in a clear line towards a better future.

My own thinking generally retains elements 1 and 3 but totally rejects 2.

>>6349657
>>6349664

>>6349660
>that name
>>>/s4s/

>>6349635
mainly important in the periods around the renaissance lmao medieval and baroque

>>6349666
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>>6349635

ho-lee-shee-it you are retarded

>>6349664

Well, Christianity does. The entity it's supposed to speak for has yet to show himself

>>6349679
>has yet to show himself

>>6349679

OP you are progressively getting more retarded with every post.

Just stop.

>>6349608
>Start with a shitty Anglican apologist and lay theologian.

>>6349679
he showed himself through jesus lmao

>>6349635
>The Renaissance was just thinly covered Greek art
>thinly covered

It was a full blown revival you morman. Thats when they started making art besides christian art
The renaissance was

>>6349695

yeah I would honestly ignore Lewis entirely, he's like pop-apologetics, works well if you're kinda retarded and don't read anything else afterwards I guess

really everyone should be starting with snippets of Summa Theologica, Introduction to the Divine Life, and/or De Civitate Dei

>>6349685

>someone breaks the laws of physics in front of you
>hey, you know what we should do? Wait 50 years before we write any of this down, that'll make it really reliable

>>6349699

> Divine Life

Devout Life*, sorry

>>6349696

Is that why no one except his followers even knew the guy? Was walking on water really common back then?

>>6349697
>The renaissance was

stopped reading there

>>6349702
>implying Christ's first disciples were literate

>>6349702

The disciples assumed that the "end days" would be happening ASAP, probably within at most a few years of the ascension, and thus didn't have any need to write the things down. Besides, the earliest writings popped up starting in around 20 years or so after his ascension -- long enough for most of the disciples to be martyred, so the others/their followers would realize "hey maybe we should write this down"

>>6349706
if you don't know jesus i feel bad for you son

>>6349706

uh the only witnesses of Jesus walking on water were the disciples, so no, except through word of mouth nobody would know of that miracle

>>6349695
>>6349699
OP obviously lacks even a basic understanding of Christianity which is why Lewis would be a good place for him to start. Mind your snobbery next time.

>>6349717

Why should he start at a theologian who he will probably read and then say "lol this is too simplistic obviously christianity is shallow"

Besides, we're all missing the main point here: he should really start by reading the bible, which he probably has not even thought of doing before

hence why I recommended apologist writings that are actually christianity at its finest

>>6349711

And no one else did? A man being born from a virgin who could heal people by willing it and surviving his own death happened all the time in ancient Israel?

>>6349666
>Like everything else, you just take the good parts and reject the rest.

The point is to take it all at full face value. What you're suggesting is like ordering pea and noodle soup and then telling the customer to "just pull out all the peas and drain the soup, eat the noodles raw, mannnn"

The way people approach Christianity is wrong, like it's something detachable from western philosophy.

You start with Plato and Aristotle, and then trace the marriage of Biblical and Greek thought that is the foundation lf western culture. Christian fathers and doctors are rad as fuck, medieval philosophy particularly is amazing and deep, these dudes made a fetish out of logic. Modern apologetics barely scratches the surface.

>>6349731
>happened all the time

what u talking about m8

ancient powers didn't exactly embrace the messiah numbnuts

>>6349731

Jesus mostly appealed to completely illiterate poor Jews, with the occasional tax collector and pharisee, the latter of which all wrote jesus off as a false messiah and would have no interest in recording anything about him.

C'mon dude, common sense. It's not like they all pulled out smartphones at the wedding and took a selfie with the Christ, or pulled out their notepad and made a diary entry about Lazarus

>>6349731
The type of people who recorded those types of things didn't like Jesus. Why would they record the feats of a man they hated? They would much prefer for people to think that Christ never existed. How little things have changed. . .

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>>6349735
Muhammad's followers swear that they saw him split the moon.
Plenty of religious figures throughout history have had miraculous feats attributed to them by their entourage. Miracles aren't unique to Christianity/Judaism

>>6349735

No, you missed my point. Why would no one except his followers write anything down about someone who could apparently wield superhuman powers? Stuff like that wasn't important to the Jews or the Romans?

>>6349741
yeah, but that's just damn dirty devil lies because it's not in the bible
the bible is the only true book, it says so in the bible

>>6349744

I'll repeat this >>6349736

>>6349740

funny pic Mel Gibson but the fact it was Jews is irrelevant to doctrine, the Jews were a self-insert for humanity

>>6349744
>Stuff like that wasn't important to the Jews

The Jews hate Jesus and were not going to publicize his successes.

See:
>>6349740
>>6349740

>Romans

Christ's ministry didn't take hold amongst Romans until after His resurrection.

>>6349748

edgy.

>>6349752
>>6349736
>Jesus mostly appealed to completely illiterate poor Jews, with the occasional tax collector and pharisee, the latter of which all wrote jesus off as a false messiah and would have no interest in recording anything about him.
Citation needed
"the Bible" is not an acceptable answer

>>6349755
i'm gonna post the hat meme now
*tips le hat*

>>6349748
Actually the authority of Scripture depends upon tje authority of the Church, without which it loses its context and interpretation.

And that's why Protestantism makes no sense and one of the first things they fucked up is dividing the canon.

>>6349752
>the fact it was Jews is irrelevant to doctrine
>implying

But the unbelieving Jews stirred up the Gentiles, and made their minds evil affected against the brethren.
- Acts 14:2

But when the Jews saw the multitudes, they were filled with envy, and spake against those things which were spoken by Paul, contradicting and blaspheming.
- Acts 13:45

12 And when Gallio was the deputy of Achaia, the Jews made insurrection with one accord against Paul, and brought him to the judgment seat,

13 Saying, This fellow persuadeth men to worship God contrary to the law.

14 And when Paul was now about to open his mouth, Gallio said unto the Jews, If it were a matter of wrong or wicked lewdness, O ye Jews, reason would that I should bear with you:

15 But if it be a question of words and names, and of your law, look ye to it; for I will be no judge of such matters.

16 And he drave them from the judgment seat.
- Acts 18:12-16

>>6349740

And you don't think it would be pretty hard to hush up something like being able to control reality itself? You seriously believe that everyone who didn't agree with Jesus totally managed to keep completely quiet about him? Because we're not talking a few people who saw him do it, this is portrayed as happening right in yhe open, which even back then would have meant that several thousands of people saw this or at least knew about it.

Yet all of those people kept quiet for about 50 years?

>>6349765
shut up homo

>>6349765
Don't bother, the only responses you'll get will be like this anon >>6349761 who'll use the Bible's internal logic as a substitute for anything historically verifiable

>>6349757

>>6349757

> the one real document and its history of compilation that can even attempt to explain the phenomenon of the Christ and his followers and his miracles and the sentiments of those who met him

> not an acceptable answer

okay

>>6349765
They didn't keep quiet about it, that's how Christianity grew. They didn't write about it because as has already been pointed out here:

>>6349710
>>6349736

Christ's first disciples were largely illiterate. By the way, I'd bet 10 shekels that you are a Jew.

>>6349666
You won't tempt me, you foul beast!

>>6349771
>the Bible
>not historically verifiable

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biblical_archaeology

>>6349773
See >>6349771
It's like me saying "well if Islam isn't true how do you explain the Qur'an? Huh? HUH?!"

>>6349765

> And you don't think it would be pretty hard to hush up something like being able to control reality itself? You seriously believe that everyone who didn't agree with Jesus totally managed to keep completely quiet about him?

Obviously they wouldn't shut up about him considering how quickly christianity spread

>>6349783
Wasn't the conversion of Constantine a huge factor? (motivated at least partly by political incentives no less)

>>6349781
>The majority of excavations and investigations carried out in the area where the biblical narratives are set mainly have the objective of casting light on the historical, cultural, economic and religious background to the texts, therefore their main objective is not usually proving the veracity of these stories
Motherfucker you are dense, go back to /pol/

>>6349782

except I didn't use any logic from within the bible

just the logic that it's literally the only primary document about the life of jesus and it's the codification of all sayings and stories that persisted about him over the 20-50 years between his ascension and the timeline of recording the stories

The rise of Mohammed is significantly better recorded in history and not only is there no doubt about his existence (though there is little doubt about Jesus' either), but the timeline of his life is extremely detailed by many different sources.

But go on being retarded if you wish!

>>6349776

Then why do we have no contemporary sources on Jesus or anything he did?

>>6349793
because you're a fag

>>6349789
The fact that you think that citing one sentence disproves the entire field of Biblical archaeology or the fact that the Bible is historically verifiable is proof that you are a filthy snake son of Satan.

>>6349795

well put tbh

>>6349793
BECAUSE THE CONTEMPORARY HISTORIANS HAD A VESTED INTEREST AGAINST CHRIST YOU SNEAKY SERPENT SPAWN!

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>>6349804
Should have realised earlier, 5/10 for stringing me this far along

>>6349808
>yfw

>>6349666
>rejecting 2

Top pleb

>waaah virtue is hard

Rouse thee, my fainting soul, and play the man;
And through such waning span Of life and thought as still has to be trod,
Prepare to meet thy God.

And while the storm of that bewilderment Is for a season spent,
And, ere afresh the ruin on thee fall, Use well the interval.

>>6349812

> Yahweh's Filial Word

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>>6348216
Who exactly are you quoting in your post?

>>6349831
ur mum

>>6349826
>i like christianity because it hates da jews, just like me!
lel

>>6349831
ur mum

>>6349835

>>6349826
>>>/pol/

Honestly why can't stormfags just leave?

>>6348175
>As an Atheist, an Egoist and somebody who rejects Christianity's 'Slave Morality' can Christanity still be useful to me?
You could try to find out why so many great men subscribed to the idea. I don't think "slave morality" would do them enough justice. Maybe this can benefit you in your intellectual journey.

Sanctus fortis, Sanctus Deus,
De profundis oro te.
Miserere, Judex meus,
Parce mihi, Domine.

Firmly I believe and truly
God is three, and God is One;
And I next acknowledge duly
Manhood taken by the Son.
And I trust and hope most fully
In that Manhood crucified;
And each thought and deed unruly
Do to death, as He has died.
Simply to His grace and wholly
Light and life and strength belong,
And I love, supremely, solely,
Him the holy, Him the strong.

>>6349838
JEW HOMO LIBCUCK
GO BACK TO LE OTHER WEBSITE

>>6348175
You can Love your neighbor, be kind, have mercy, be gracious and thankful. You can show compassion to those who spite you, and be humble in your accomplishments. You can be gentle to the earth, and be a good steward of the land. you can trust that you are only as in control as others think they control you, and that all things work for the good in the end, even if you cant see it. You can have faith in yourself, and in others, that in turn may have faith in you. You can give to those that need, and trust that all your needs will be met, even if its not what you expect. You can overcome any and all troubles standing upright, even if burdens hold you down. And you can lean on the shoulder of another when the weight is too great to stand on your own. You can Cast aside all worry and have no doubt or concern, and trust that even when you sit still in silence all things will happen according to your own will, even if you dont act. And you can act in good conscience without doubt when you must. You can always do good things when they need to be done, and know that when you do what is right, you can do no wrong; Doing unto others what you would have done to yourself.

Christianity is more than a word in a dictionary, its a way of life. It is the Love of Jesus Christ. It is and always will be of use to you, and everyone.

>>6349608
>including Lewis in that list

Reading a book like "Mere Christianity" would make just about anyone abandon all interest in religion. Lewis was a joke even within the piss-poor field of apologetics. Replace him with Anscombe. She was at least an actual philosopher and really quite a brilliant Aristotelian, despite being a Catholic fundamentalist fanatic.