/lit/ - Literature

>>6348844
Pynchon

Cormac McCarthy and Thomas Pynchon. They will never win the Nobel now.

>>6348863
No. They won't ever win because they're white, male Americans.

>>6348863
I'm sure they will get much more acclaim when they die.

>>6348866
T. S. Eliot
Sinclair Lewis
Eugene O'Neill
William Faulkner
Ernest Hemingway
John Steinbeck
Saul Bellow

>>6348866
No, they won't win because they're objectively shit.

>>6348876
How dare you. I repeat how dare you. I assume you only like religious writers, who support the idiocy of Theocracy, who kill children on earth to spend eternity in the celestial totalitarianism of the heavens?

>>6348910
hitchens please you're dead

>>6348844
C.H. was the perfect non-systematic political thinker. Even his thoughts on religion were political. When the facts changed, he changed his mind. He was a concrete thinker and anti-philosophical in the good sense of not falling into traps and having a good bullshit detector (if you ignore his early Marxism, which he eventually grew out of, for the most part). He lived in Washington DC so he could be in on the action. He had a good memory. He was social and patched together the ideas of others, which is good for something like contemporary politics where it is impossible to go at it alone in your bedroom. He was principled and went after people like Bill Clinton and Henry Kissinger. He did the fieldwork of traveling to the countries he wrote about. He understood the threat of Islam and realized not every war is fought for economic motives. He admired the United States. He destroyed people on shows like Hannity & Colmes. What more do you want? So what if he didn't have the patience to read Kierkegaard, Heidegger, Wittgenstein, and Kant?

>>6348889
It's 2015, sport. Get with the times. The Nobel Committee is not only sensitive to race, sex, and nationality, but they have a bias against America. This isn't news.

>>6348915
You are a fucking moron.

>>6348914
>So what if he didn't have the patience to read Kierkegaard, Heidegger, Wittgenstein, and Kant?

Or Marx, for that matter.

And what's wrong with that is the fact that he HAD to quote these people, tell anecdotes about them and use any other piece of easy, accessible information about them to support his points. He's like the guy who wants to attack Lenin but is not really interested in studying theory or history so he insteads find a blog where there's a nearly unlimited list of unsourced evil quotes and tales about him.

Hitchens wanted to come off as this highbrow, versatile thinker who can go anywhere from Hegel to Spike Lee with depth, but in reality his knowledge was more of a pool that is kilometers wide but a few millimeters deep.

>>6348863
>Thomas Pynchon

His work isn't up to the standard of the nobel, and he's made it clear that he doesn't want awards anyway, so why would he get the nobel.

McCarthy might win it one day, but his work seems to lack something, and I say this as a McCarthy fanboy.

Fuentes was way ahead on the list than either of those two, and he never even got a sniff.

>>6349013
>His work isn't up to the standard of the nobel

If Jelinek can win one, Pynchon could have too. His output from the '60s and '70s was undeniably ground-breaking.

>>6349033
>His output from the '60s and '70s was undeniably ground-breaking.

I'd say it's undeniably not ground-breaking. What now?

>>6348915
>bias against america
>obama
>al gore
>no more than 3 years without giving a price to an american
>support every single american narrative

>>6349039
Now we meet up and fight. Meet me outside Waterloo tube station in two hours.

>>6348915

What do you guys have against The Road? It's not amazing but come on, legacy ruining?

>>6348986
>but in reality his knowledge was more of a pool that is kilometers wide but a few millimeters deep.
There is an interview of him admitting exactly this about himself but I don't remember which one it is.

>>6349045

i'm not that guy but I live in LONDON so could meet you there. I wouldn't really want to fight though. we could just like cuddle for a bit though ?

>>6349137
>we could just like cuddle for a bit though ?
if you don't post pics of you two doing it you're huge faggots

>>6349045
>Meet me outside Waterloo tube station in two hours

You meet me at Schiphol in three. I'll kick your fucking head in you cunt.

>>6349143

not gay, that's GROSSS

am lonely though

>>6348986
>in reality his knowledge was more of a pool that is kilometers wide but a few millimeters deep.

Hedgehog or fox, we all make the choice.

>>6348844
Nabokov?

>what a brilliant satire, vladimir! who'd have thought a novel about a paedo could be so fruitful? anything in the pipeline?
>why yes, i-it's about this paedo who-
FIN

>>6349154
>Nabokov?
Elaborate?

>>6349170

I already did.

I suppose technically some of them were earlier works that only got translated later, but eh. Close enough.

>>6349051
hahaha epic
You go to reddit as well?

>>6348914
To be honest, it doesn't take much patience to readWittgenstein, Kierkegaard, or Nietzsche, at least not just to get through their main works and understand the basics.

>>6348844
Fart letters by James Joyce

>>6349040
Doesn't that kinda reinforce his point tho; Obama winning an award for nothing in particular other than everyone's psyched about first black guy in office?

He should've turned it down btw

>>6349177
Holy cringe

>>6349975
Let me get your reddit name so I can upvote you

>>6349855
This, I can't read Joyce without thinking about farts

>>6348866
>>6348889
>>6348915
>>6348918
>>6349040
>>6349051
>>6349885

>>6348866
>yfw John Ashbery wins a Nobel

But he's gay, so it probably wouldn't count for your purposes.

>>6350471
if this actually happened i would be ecstatic
>>6350435
they made me reconsider farts more than they made me reconsider joyce, really
>>6349177
who the fuck says "you go to reddit" instead of "you go on reddit"

>>6348915
What are you talking about? Most scientists who win are AMERICAN scientists. Even if they aren't American themselves, they usually conduct their work in America. There is no bias, you're just mad that when it comes to literature, it's not just Americans who can produce worthwhile work.

>>6349051
>le down syndrome retard meme

>>6350498
lemme guess... this song is supposed to be played on an acoustic guitar.

>>6350495

Now you mention it, I'm surprised he hasn't won already. He never even gets mentioned in the yearly run up.

He must have pissed someone off.

He is also the only world-renowned writer that I can think of off the top of my head who looks like a Batman villain.

>>6350519
no, it's meant to be played on the pyrophone calliope

>>6350498
Is this a song by The Cure?

>>6350637
Nice.

>>6350542
I think people still consider his poetry "difficult."

But I don't see how you release as many collections as Ashbery has and still be considered in any capacity a mystery. All he does is talk about his own process and what he is after in poetry.

>>6350675
>I think people still consider his poetry "difficult."

I would have thought that would help with his nobelisciousness tbh.

Maybe the nobel people are just homophobes.

>>6348914
He seemed more like a vain and annoying atheist as opposed to any thing else...
And did not understand the origins of fascism.
Once called Stalinist Russia a theocracy.
Also, about him not being a marxist:
If you watch interviews he made shortly before he died,
he referred to himself as one.

>>6348866
p sure american is the only significant detractor there, most of the winners are white euro dudes

>>6351817
After France, the USA has had more Nobel Literature winners than any other nation you whinging fucking yank.

>>6350498
Apparently he says it

Wordsworth is the outstanding candidate here. Literally every he wrote after about 1805 was utter dreck.

>>6348915
American literature a shit