/lit/ - Literature

When?

>>6341645
n-now

Neon, sugary, and loud.
Alternatively, dark, grimy, and loud.

Minimalist renaissence. Clutter only exists ironically.

>>6341641
Rubbish

Eclectic, fluorescent and shallow

Post-New-Sincerity

>>6341641
derivative

>>6341641
Most people don't know what vaporwave is.

>>6342990
Some of us know and just don't care.

...is that a real album?

>>6342990
I hope everyone forgets what vaporwave is.

>>6341641

Normcore

Vulgarism

http://ryzhknd.bandcamp.com/

DANK PAPE

A gem-studded shitfield.

Best way I can think of to describe it.

Also, a tin teardrop.

Bulbous, also tapered.

whatdoesaestheticsmeannomatterhowmanytimesiseethatfuckingwordusedirrespectiveofcoherentcontextualapplicationactuallyapplyingadefinitionissomewhatoutofthequestionindependantofreferencematerialtodoso;ohgod,imfuckingretarded

A cloud began to cover the sun wholly slowly wholly. Grey. Far.

No, not like that. A barren land, bare waste. Vulcanic lake, the dead sea: no fish, weedless, sunk deep in the earth. No wind would lift those waves, grey metal, poisonous foggy waters. Brimstone they called it raining down: the cities of the plain: Sodom, Gomorrah, Edom. All dead names. A dead sea in a dead land, grey and old. Old now. It bore the oldest, the first race. A bent hag crossed from Cassidy's clutching a noggin bottle by the neck. The oldest people. Wandered far away over all the earth, captivity to captivity, multiplying, dying, being born everywhere. It lay there now. Now it could bear no more. Dead: an old woman's: the grey sunken cunt of the world.

Desolation.

Irony
synthesis
mash-ups of the growing abundance of data
lo-fi production via the accessibility of data manipulation and capturing tools
noise pop
retro antagonism a la seapunk, FYAD, witchhaus, vaporwave
cult of the unreplicable, non-imitable and difficult

I know a guy who likes vaporwave. He's a weird dude

>>6343208
that's right.

pepto bismol syringe

Wasn't Vaporwave more of a 2013 thing?

Computer Dreams

Cybernetic Immaterialism.

>>6343356
If Vaporwave isn't avant-garde, what is?

>>6343325
I don't mind it. This song is pretty catchy https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cU8HrO7XuiE

no idea what this thread is about

my experience is wine taste in my mouth seeing me type this sentence on the screen of my laptop on my bed while I listen to "vegas" by eminem and some random guy talking on tinychat

my mood is quite off, semi drunk but my parents just sprung me with like a fucking intervention found all my drugs and shit and now want me to go to group counselling with them tomorrow holy shit it's bad enough dealing with moods however I can and yes that includes using drugs deal with it without having to also justify my fee-fees to nosy fucking people. I say two words to my fucking dad a week no he's talking like he knows me like get fucked you know nothing about assume what you like oh I'm angry all the time oh I hate my nephews oh I'm a drug addict I really don't fucking care can you just go away so I can use all your broadband and get drunk while I live rent free in this dysfunctional fucking house that I'm confined to with this stupid bracelet

sick of this shit, I need to get a job, move out and just pretty much cut contact. they're all like we're so worried about you an heroing we're not going away on holiday this weekend we need to do bla bla you need to do bla bla. That's your fucking problem not mine, and no I don't fucking care I don't love you dad or care about you I fake my feelings for you mom just to make my life easier truth is I have no attachment to anyone and just want to get away from all this obligation and responsiblity, I want a simpler life

>>6343406
The thread is never defined. To post is paramount, but posting is not enough. An intent toward excellence or some thing "more" is paramount.

Concerning "tinychat": I some times pretend to be a 14 year old girl from Yorkshire on said social platform.

Your story resonates with me,
although I have to say I do not blame my father aside from perhaps his mistake in partaking in childbirth.
In reality, I am the parasite who lives off his life juice and not the other way around and I will continue to burden him for as long as is possible.
I am not "grateful" or not, I just am.

>>6341641
is that hegel

>>6343402
never seen this maymay before. Care to explain?

i'm trying to write my feelings but my fingertips are trembling too much from the speed

>>6342643
>derivative
also a bastardization of everything that came before it. I'm letting my kids touch video games and I'm not buying a tv

>>6343494
History is happening so quickly, everything you type becomes a meme before you even type it

>>6343337

>>6343406
>but my parents
seriously, don't post until you've moved out anon, or at least don't fucking mention that your parents have control over your life

>>6343504
o-okay
I'm sorry, anon. I'll try to git gud.

>>6343494
how amphetamine do you have to take to achieve the crazy-high write forever thing? I've only used it in low doses (<35mg) to study

folds

>>6341641

there is no original aesthetic. everything is just an ironic reiteration of something that already happened. we are as a collective reaching levels of post irony to the point in which no one can really tell whether it's "cool" or "okay" to like something anymore. back in the 90s you had to try very hard to be cool, but nowadays its just a retard free for all. counter culture is now "edgy" and people are unafraid of advertising the fact that they enjoy mainstream art because nothing even matters anymore. we need more school bullying

How will we remember the 10's in about twenty years?

>>6344139
If we are talking about aesthetic,
as practiced in the mind of some thing,
then the "original" aesthetic is any aesthetic which has been organised in a way with in said mind which has not been beforehand.
Therefore, in that situation, an "original aesthetic" can exist.

>>6341660
Absolutely correct, and I wouldn't have it any other way.

Digital maximalism

Minimalism is for faggots who don't have enough to say

neoretrofuturism

>>6344143
"2015 was 30 years ago."

"Now" is the occurence which has just entered memory.
"Now" is defined by the sensory data impressed upon the self conscious mind, realised as phenomena.
"Now" is then defined by these phenomena.
"Aesthetic" is defined by our knowing of a beauty dichotomy.
Where it does not exist, there is no aesthetic.
"Now"'s aesthetic may not exist.
There have been an unknown amount of "now"s.
There is always an unknown amount of "now"s.

>>6344275

YOU HAVE BEEN CONTINUOUSLY POSTING IN /lit/, WITH VARIATIONS OF THE SAME IMAGE, FOR APPROXIMATELY TWELVE HOURS NOW.

ARE YOU UNDER THE INFLUENCE OF STIMULANTS, OR ARE YOU JUST NATURALLY ENERGIZED WITHOUT ANYTHING ELSE TO DO?

>>6344287
>ARE YOU UNDER THE INFLUENCE OF STIMULANTS, OR ARE YOU JUST NATURALLY ENERGIZED WITHOUT ANYTHING ELSE TO DO?

I am naturally energised with some thing else I could do.
I am doing nothing in particular until I have the impetus to sleep.
After I sleep,
I will see if I have the impetus to do that other thing which I could do,
and if not, I will once again do nothing in particular until I have the impetus to sleep.
Repeat.

>>6344287
He's just some autistic faggot like you.

>>6344292

AH.

>>6344287
>>6344292
One of these posts is shitty satire, I just know it.

>>6344287

>>6344302
Why is 'apoplexy' such a funny word?

>>6344301
His may be.
I had no intention of imbuing satire in to my post.

>>6344309
Are you renaming the picture every fucking time? I'm kind of impressed.

JUST AS EXTREMISM IS VIRTUALLY INDISTINGUISHABLE FROM PARODY, EARNEST SINCERITY IS VIRTUALLY INDISTINGUISHABLE FROM SATIRE.

>>6344297

OMINOUS-KANJI GUY,
DURING YOUR RELATIVELY SHORT STAY AT THIS BOARD YOU'VE BECOME ASTOUNDINGLY UNPOPULAR WITH MOST OF YOUR FELLOW USERS, FOR A GOOD MANY REASONS. UNLIKE SOME NOTIONS YOU MAY COMFORTABLY ENTERTAIN, THE CONTENT OF YOUR POSTS IS THE LESS PARAMOUNT. YOU ARE AN UNDOUBTEBLY INSIPID THINKER, A FACT WHICH YOUR RIDICULOUS USE OF SOLECISMS DOES LITTLE TO ATONE FOR. BUT THIS BOARD, IN AS FAR AS IT IS DEDICATED TO LITERATURE AND URBANE DISCUSSION, MUST BEAR WITH YOUR TYPES FOR THE SAKE, VERILY, OF ITS VERY CALLING. THE REASON WE FIND YOUR PRESENCE HERE SO ABHORRENT IS NOT YOUR INTELLECTUAL CAPACITY OR LACK THEREOF, BUT YOUR ARROGANCE, AS SHOWN IN YOUR CHILDLIKE INSISTENCE ON WRITING ENTIRELY IN CAPITAL LETTERS.
READING WITH "ALL-CAPS" IS NOT ONLY TEDIOUS IN ITSELF: IT ALSO REQUIRES CONSIDERABLE ATTENTION FROM THE READER. BY DEMANDING THIS SORT OF ATTENTION YOU INVEST YOUR ARGUMENTS WITH AN ARTIFICIAL PROMINENCE, THEREBY CLAIMING FOR THEM SUCH DISTINCTION AS THEY TRULY DO NOT DESERVE. YOU HAVE THUS COMPELLED US TO VOICE OUR GRIEVANCES, AND WE DEMAND OF YOU THE FOLLOWING:
PLEASE, DO US THE COURTESY OF TYPING AS WE ALL DO BY CONVENTION, USING LOWECASE AS WELL AS CAPITAL LETTERS. THE FUCK IS WRONG WITH YOU?!?!
I'VE TAKEN IT UPON MYSELF TO APPEND THIS MESSAGE TO AS MANY OF YOUR ALL-CAPITALIZED POSTS AS I MAY WITHOUT SPAMMING. I ADVISE OUR FELLOW USERS TO JOIN ME IN DOING SO.

YOURS SINCERELY, A CONCERNED /lit/IZEN.

>>6344315
I am renaming the picture every fucking time.
Thank you.

>>6344317
>Fighting autism with autism
This cannot end well.

>tfw you were born in the right time to experience the comeback of the symposium in the form of /lit/.

>>6344317
>RELATIVELY SHORT STAY
Rei has been on /lit/ for many years,
if I am not mistaken.

>>6344316
I like you caps guy. Every action is an end in itself.

>>6344321
>he thinks there's an end
You can't get off the ride, anon.

>>6344326
>Caps guy
There was one caps guy and it was not Rei. The original caps guy wasn't autistic.

>>6344324
>born in the right time


This is the only existence you have, the act of imagining otherwise implies you're projecting your actual picture thinking to a different person altogether.

>>6344317
I would just like to say on a purely emotional level that I think your post is malicious and that you are a cunt. Rei has been posting on 4chan in such a manner for many years and I enjoy seeing his posts.
Fuck you.

>>6344332
rei is a cunt for posting all-caps. it's maximum attention whoring and it's annoying beyond fucking anything. it's just LOUD AS FUCK. he really lives up to the spic stereotype i suppose

> but you write all lowercase dude!
yes, and it looks and reads just like normal copy text, because most writing is lowercase

> good enough for muh romans
retarded argument

New to the board. The whole all-caps tripfriend meme is a joke around here, right?
Using a name##trip draws unwarranted attention to yourself and your posts from all of the other anons. Typing in all caps is just a way to emphasize and satire the attention desperate nature of trip users, right?
Please tell me this isn't common.

>>6344337
He has never showed anything like attention whoring, in my vision. The content of his posts are very good. Which can't be said you this specific post of yours, which this into a meta-discussion based on your whims about his capsizing his posts.

>>6344337
His heritage is mostly castilian, if I am not mistaken.
He is even partially japanese.
I rarely to never say "dude".
I was not going to reference the romans,
although that is clever,
in my humble opinion.
It is irrelevant whether he does or does not type in capital letters,
in my opinion.
Or rather: in forcing him to change you may make him leave or post less,
which is not what I would prefer.

>>6344345
>The whole all-caps tripfriend meme is a joke around here, right?

Nah, Rei has been here forever. She just knows plenty about philosophy so we tolerate her. This other guy is new but he's posting decent stuff, so I don't see the problem.

Every board has their neighborhood autists, but /lit/ has the best ones.

>>6344345
>The whole all-caps tripfriend meme is a joke around here, right?
It fluctuates between being and not being a joke.

>Using a name##trip draws unwarranted attention to yourself and your posts from all of the other anons.
Warranty is a spook.

>Typing in all caps is just a way to emphasize and satire the attention desperate nature of trip users, right?
There is no necessity for that to be true and there fore is purely speculation.

>>6344346
>He has never showed anything like attention whoring, in my vision.
nigger he's wall of texting the fuck out of pleasant intellectual debates.

it's an eyesore and it rips through any sort of neutrality and constructive debate. if that's not malicious i don't know what is. i don't want that thunderstorm of uppercase autism

>>6344353
>Or rather: in forcing him to change you may make him leave or post less,
>which is not what I would prefer.
i wouldn't fucking mind

I screencapped this a while back because anon was pretty spot on.

For white people, it's all about checking the maximum of your privilege and being a white knight to minorities.

There's also a kind of Reddit-brand ironic autism that involves autistically spelling out jokes as a reaction to said jokes, ie saying "The joke is funny because [women are stupid / asians can't drive, etc]."

There's the whole lumbersexual thing but that's been pretty well documented. In a feminized world, every Johnny Plebbit wants a big "muh manly" beard to feel secure. Also, people love to feel subversive by defining things concepts--say, "manliness"--as the traditional opposite of said concept. So, you see a lot of "DAE think there's nothing manlier than a man that cries??" or "My mom used to be a tank commander--that's a true woman!"

Also, I think the millenial generation is ultimately a pretty conservative generation. It's just that things like gay rights and legal weed have become the new status quo to defend.

>>6344364
HOW ABOUT STOP TRYING TO BEND REALITY TO YOUR WILL?


FAGGOT?

>>6344374
>Also, I think the millenial generation is ultimately a pretty conservative generation.
this. after the hipster comes the faux mature cocksucker.

>>6344317
>short stay

get out

>>6344377
how about no

>>6344381
he's still right. the whole appeal-to-oldfaggotry shit is retarded.
>muh secret neofascist DFW related lit discussion memeclub

LE HABBY FOOLE'S DAE, SIRS :^)

>>6344383
But REI has an original and interesting aesthetic and is a great addition to this board.

Have you even read his short stories?

http://www.undergroundbooks.org/the-kitchen-poet/ronald-mcdonald-rei-koz

Absolutely GOAT.

>>6344373
>tfw getting a bachelors in botany so that I can inherit my uncle's nursery in Ohio
This couldn't be more accurate. What I keep realizing is that while most of the delusions of potential wealth/fame are gone, the end result is still the same.
Unfortunately, my friends make pretty good counterarguments. The rose-tinted outlook on life is limited to forum-goers. To avoid sinking into muh anecdote territory, I implore anybody reading this to spend a week listening to top40. Maybe watch some Seth MacFarlane shows or stalk a clique of teenagers.
The dream of screwing others and effortlessly climbing your way to the top is still very much alive.

>>6344390
>original and interesting aesthetic
it's UPPER CAPS. how the fuck is that original and interesting, twelve year olds everywhere have been doing that for a while

>http://www.undergroundbooks.org/the-kitchen-poet/ronald-mcdonald-rei-koz
wow that was awful. i feel stupider for having read that. shouldn't have given that autist the benefit of the doubt

>>6344346

Original memester here (not him),
This: >>6344316
Actually isn't very good. It's blend, unsupported, uninspired bullshit. Two empty phrases casted as an aphorism.

Would've any of you seriously taken note of it were Rei not to CAPITALIZE HIS EVERY WORD out of sheer whim?!

No, obviously. So that despite putting no thought and zero effort into his posts, we should all take his sage-advise for everything because LE ALL CAPS.

People, this is the worst kind of dogmatism.

>>6344364
>nigger he's wall of texting the fuck out of pleasant intellectual debates.

So much this.

P. S. I don't visit much, but I've been here for about 2 years. Why, has he been shitting on us regularly?

DICK BUTT

>>6344395
It's more than "UPPER CAPS" (kek), but you aren't observant enough to realise that. REI has kept a consistent aesthetic for years. I bet you haven't seen his tumblr or listened to his albums.

>>6344345
>>>/b/

>>6344403
i've seen his tumblr, bandcamp, the drop thing, his vimeo and youtube, some of his "stories". it's all shit.

consistent aesthetic a shit. if i take a dump on your chest every day for 10 years and draw a smiley face with it that's consistent too, doesn't mean there's any value in it.

>>6344414
Why are you so angry with some random person on the internet anyway?
This is a medium whose purpose lies in the result of all our relations with each other about a given subject. Arguing about the 'other' himself will lead nowhere. If you don't like it, bringing attention to it will worsen the atmosphere for everyone.

>this thread

>>6343448
ye

>>6341641
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gDv3HPkvYTs

skip to 0:45

>>6344418
he worsens the atmosphere for anyone and i don't give a shit if it offends you that i say it

>>6344431
Atmosphere is a spook.
Dialectic is the only thing that matters.

>>6344438
from a decision-making standpoint dialectic is irrelevant because majority or a king / dictator of sorts rules.

from a personal convictions standpoint dialectic is useless because we're all ultimately governed by our emotions. you may think you aren't but that just shows how clouded your thinking is

dialectic is the real spook, the idea of atmosphere is much closer to a very primal part of the human experience

>>6341653
Sounds like 80s memes

Post-ironic meta-sincerity.

Hahaha holy shit, this is the worst thread I've seen in a very long time.

better put my name on to help make it shittier

>>6344442
Seems like you need some Hegel in you, my man.

>>6344442
>from a decision-making standpoint dialectic is irrelevant because majority or a king / dictator of sorts rules.
Causation rules.
Either fight for dialectic unto death or do not.

>from a personal convictions standpoint dialectic is useless because we're all ultimately governed by our emotions.
Then if in our emotional frenzy we can do any thing which our emotions ask of us, surely we can also fight for the dialectical method in just that frenzy.

>dialectic is the real spook, the idea of atmosphere is much closer to a very primal part of the human experience
There is no human experience.
The human is ephemeral.
Only my self consciousness exists.
The only thing that could matter is to attain an ever higher measurement in all faculties through the use of the dialectical method.

>>6344373
t-there's nothing wrong with wanting this, right?

>>6344414
I'd value it for sheer dedication tbh.

But hey, it's fine if you don't like REI's work. Why get actively cavity collapsed about it though? Are those few posts once in a while that detrimental to your well being?

>>6344442
>because majority or a king / dictator of sorts rules.


The rules exist because they turn into actuality by the individual. Not some abstraction of 'majority'.

>>6344442
It doesn't seem like you've read or understand Hegel at all

>>6344469
>Causation rules.
>Either fight for dialectic unto death or do not.
if a dictator has you put against a wall and shot, that doesn't have to involve dialectics. dialectics is an "out-there" idea you force on the issue. it's one of many concepts that may or may not satisfyingly explain the situation. you're too fucking sure of yourself.

>Then if in our emotional frenzy we can do any thing which our emotions ask of us, surely we can also fight for the dialectical method in just that frenzy.
yes, and we can also launch ourselves into space, live our whole lives in a cave or fuck goats.

>There is no human experience.
>The human is ephemeral.
>Only my self consciousness exists.
this is valid as long as it's agreed upon, just like any other idea. there's nothing that makes "only my self consciousness exists" more valid than "there is a human experience".

>The only thing that could matter is to attain an ever higher measurement in all faculties through the use of the dialectical method
how would that matter more than masturbation or the eating of cake

your thinking is so full of preconceived ideas it's redonk m8

>>6344465
nah

>>6344477
i'll get angry at whatever the fuck i want faggot

>>6344491
individuals are influenced by majority opinion

>>6344494
i can think on my own, i don't need to appeal to authority. fuck hegel. you're a cocksucker.

>>6344513
>individuals are influenced by majority opinion


And the majority 'opinion' has its source in the individual acting upon it, choosing as its reality.

>>6344519
ya sure okay. i don't get what your problem here is, i didn't imply otherwise, did i?

>>6344519
>>6344521
although i would debate "choosing". you're assuming too much individual responsibility

>>6344524
>too much individual responsibility

The individual is ALL that there is. Everything else upon it.

>>6344530
1. spooky
2. there being "the individual" doesn't necessarily imply there being "responsibility".

>>6344513
>if a dictator has you put against a wall and shot, that doesn't have to involve dialectics
Replace the word 'Communism' with 'dialectic' and you'll have something closer to the truth than you're getting.
Calm down.

>>6344534
The Hegelian individual has absolutely free will. Free will is responsible for its choices. Therefore the presence of the Hegelian individual indicates an individual responsible for its actions.

>inb4 MUH DETERMINISM
You aren't familiar enough with Hegel to understand how that isn't a valid objection

>>6344537
all communication is not dialectic. all that is is not dialectic. all power exertion is not dialectic.

>>6344545
Yes it is.

>>6344544
hegel is a german cuntface i don't care about. i'm not a christian, so i don't follow the bible. i'm not a hegelian, so i don't follow hegel. i don't care about your opinions if you don't substantiate them

will is not free. determinism may not be comprehensible, but that doesn't make it any less true.

>>6344555
no, it's not. dialectics is a vague, loaded idea that you force on things to make them bend to your worldview.

>>6344559
>>6344556
>Muh empirically attained ethical claims involve absolute opposition to all authority and you should trust me because I don't use capital letters or proper punctuation
>I haven't read Hegel and don't care about actually discussing things on his terms so I have to just call him a cuntface and act like that's enough to win any real argument
>mfw u r my property

>>6344570
argument's not about hegel. you wanna bring esoteric hegelian theories into it, it's on you to formulate them.

>>6344556
Determinism is a justification you accept as true to make you feel something else is in control of your life (there is no 'something else').

Nothing I say here you will make you looks at things differently because that's what you want and only you can CHANGE IT.

>>6344587
that's true in terms of how we experience it, but not in terms of what's actually going on as in, what we can observe is going on via STEM.

while STEM is a subset of philosophy and blah blah blah it's pretty stupid to ignore that determinism is obviously real. there are ways in which you can reliably predict people's behavior so it's obviously not entirely free and subject to the individual

>>6344570
looks like you don't know what you're talkin about

>>6344593
>via STEM


Human beings themselves can't be object of such a shallow scrutiny because through reason it can only see reason itself, in other words, the parameters of STEM exist because it's chosen by individuals who, when trying to predict something themselves are only grasping those same notions arbitrarily chosen (as a by product of societal norms or whatever).

It's a closed circuit you have to get out of.

>>6344621
i don't see how humans are above such "shallow scrutiny". the concept is sound and seems to apply. your thinking is arrogant. nothing puts humans above nature.

>>6344621
Can you explain that in less technical terms?

>>6344621
Are you implying that your thinking is free of the limits of rationality?

>>6344637
I'm not versed that much on Hegel yet so I not sure if can. No offense.

>>6344635
Not him, calling people arrogant is arrogant

>>6344638
Rationality at this point (trying to objectify itself by STEM studies) has not yet attained true self-consciousness, that is it.

>>6344641
good thing i didn't do that
#readingcomplehension2015

>>6344373
screencapped this a few days ago

>>6344640
Me neither,could you use your owns words to describe your understanding of him please?

>>6344643
Have you attained true self-conciousness?

>>6344648
Those were my own words, I didn't copied and pasted. I'm sorry if it's a little convoluted but, then, it means my thinking is a little convoluted, there is no difference between the two. My post IS my thinking.

>>6344645
Explain yourself please, if I was unable of understanding your first post then surely i wont be able to understand this one neither

>>6344650
N-no.

>>6344653
But i didnt understand it, people dont use those terms in that way usually, do you know any way to compress the idea in a way that anyone can understand it?, using mundane meanings and relations

>>6344655
Then how do you know you are not in a mistake when you pronounce a statement?, correct me if i am wrong, but if you cant understand yourself then truly you are unable to understand others, wouldnt it be more practical for you to understand yourself instead of focusing on destroying things external to you?

>>6344556

>>6344654
just reread it

>>6344663
nice memepic friend

>>6344647
>implying the /lit/ lifestyle can't be lived in the glorious post-modern sprawls

>>6344582
>esoteric hegelian theories
they're highly relevant in a discourse such as this, stop making fucktarded justifications for that fact you haven't read and understood some of the most important philosophy

>>6344665
Do i ask you to reread my text everytime you dont understand me or am I nicer and i try to explain it to you?

All encompassing conformity.

>>6344658
You are not getting it, there is no 'others' for me (this is not solipsism btw, you exist) but only as apprehended through me, you exist (and vice-versa.)

>>6344669
if you have "actually" "understood" it, explain yourself, faget

>>6344672
i called his thinking arrogant, not his person

>>6344684
Tell me, at what point do you decide that in your paltry, embarrassingly small education, you think you're intelligent enough to come out on top of a debate such as this

>>6344686
>look at you using language
i don't have to decide, i just do

>>6344684
Hegel's 'reason can grasp itself' is a very difficult concept, that, had you read anything by Hegel you'd know how hard it can be to put into words to someone who has no idea of it.

>>6344692
*can only

>>6344692
"you've only truly understood something when you can put it into your own words"
- i forgot who

nice appeal to authority though cocksucker

>>6344701
I put it in my words, see above.

>>6344684
But if someone thinks arrogantly, then he is an arrogant person, dont you think?>>6344679
Now I believe I understand your ideas, so there is no identity without two separate entities you mean?, what is that which makes two entities appear to be different?, in any case, how do you ground metaphysical statements?, what makes your arguments correct?, selfconsistency?, intuition?
>>6344692
Why can we reason about rationality?

>>6344701
Just because he appeals to authority that doesnt mean he is automatically wrong, making a reference doesnt say anything about the truth of a statement, in one direction or the other

>>6344710
>so there is no identity without two separate entities you mean?
Kind of, the desire for another self-conscious being is the first step to acknowledge your individuality.


>what is that which makes two entities appear to be different?
Inorganic classification (at least as a I interpret Hegel) is arbitrary and reflects the view of the not yet self-conscious man. As of other organic being themselves this can be brought only by actualization of thought i.e. deeds.


>how do you ground metaphysical statements?, what makes your arguments correct?, selfconsistency?, intuition?
I'm not sure what you mean by metaphysics in this case. As about correctness, it is beyond the point, as those posts are only the externalization (which is false since they are only being-through-me) of my thoughts and nothing else, you can do whatever you want with them.

>>6344262
Damn. This is so true.

>>6344537
>innocents

100% organic unadulterated pure home-grown ideology