/lit/ - Literature

They do, it's called Sex and the City.
And blacks have their "blek peeplez" social scientists which pass for philosopher.

The rise black people and women into academia occurred after philosophy's zenith.

>>6326253
Dear god, I mangled the shit out of that sentence.

Historically neither of them have been allowed in Western culture, or they had to submit their work under a male title or as Anonymous, specifically the women because... well, you know blacks don't exactly have a rich history when it comes to philosophy and expansion.

>>6326258
Despite this, there are a few women philosophers such as Simone de Beauvoir.

>>6326263

Oh yeah, a few will always slip through the net, but more often than not that's due to prestige of lineage and power connections.

>>6326220

Stirner was black

>>6326227
That picture is golden.

>>6326272
Is that why his philosophy is so stupid?

>>6326286
No but it does explain his obsession with spooks.

>>6326220
http://projectvox.library.duke.edu/pg/?q=node/14%23

>Our website concerns the next major scholarly development: the acknowledgement that a number of early modern women have been unjustly ignored in our narratives. From Lady Masham, Margaret Cavendish and Anne Conway in England to Émilie Du Châtelet in France, many women played significant roles in the development of modern philosophy, but their contributions have often gone unnoticed.

http://www.press.uchicago.edu/ucp/books/series/OVIEME.html

>After the first half-dozen books were published, it soon became clear that the mission of the series had grown into the larger ambition of the textual recovery, not just of works by or about women that called for gender equality and equal education, but other important works, many quite popular in their day, from many different disciplines and genres, including religious history and devotional writing, economic equality and female autonomy essays, anatomy and medical treatises, philosophical and scientific works, and imaginative literature

But anon, one of the greatest philosophers of the 20th century was a woman

>>6326340
You forgot your picture.

>>6326227
Post more Hyde

>>6326220
De Beauvoir
Malcolm X
Kanye
Andrea Dworkin

>>6326344

>>6326340
ayn rand is a walking jewish caricature, far more stereotypical than le happy merchant

>>6326263
She's not a philosopher.

>>6326286
Funny joke mate, try reading his book

>>6326292
Waste of everybody's time

Mary Wollstonecraft, baby.

Vindication of the Rights of Women

>>6326220

> Who is Heloise
> Who is Hildegard Von Bingen
> Whos is Christine De Pizan
> Who is Anne Conway ?
> Who is G.E.M Anscombe ?
> Who is Nancy Cartwright ?
> Who is usually 20-30% of every Philosophy department these days.

Lots of great female Philosophers out there.

I can't say much for Black people though, there is a Black guy in one my seminars, though he's come maybe 4 times this semester.

>>6326356
>She's not thinking about the stuff I want her to think about.

>>6326220

>>Why aren't there any women philosophers?

There are. You're just a pleb.

>>6326344
>'muh totalitarianism'
>greatest philosopher

>>6326457
my nigga

>>6326220
I mean MLK's Letter from Birmingham Jail is probably the most impactful philosophical writing of the later half of the 20th century

>>6326258
>Historically neither of them have been allowed in Western culture, or they had to submit their work under a male title or as Anonymous, specifically the women because... well, you know blacks don't exactly have a rich history when it comes to philosophy and expansion.
yes now it pisses off the feminazis that women do not choose these paths whereas they are free to do it. Hence the quotas.

>>6326489

Black people have bigger problems

>>6326356
She claimed as such, but she was fucking Sarte and did a lot of things most people would consider philosophy.

>>6326344

>muh Communism and Fascism is the same

>>6326220
Ayn Rand?

>>6326220

>>6326220
>>6327821

>>6327823

>>6327862
There are many more. Spivak, Butler, Arendt, Said.

>>6327872
>Said
>black
You wot?

>>6327872
>yfw the western canon of white male philosophers probably wouldn't fit in one 4chan post

>>6327874
Brown, then. Whatever

>>6327876
OP asked why there are no black and/or female philosophers at all.

>>6327885
>Brown, then. Whatever
>arabs have enslaved black people long before, and quite some time after white people did
>dafour happened in the last fucking decade
>whatever, it's all 'people of colour'

Women actually, for whatever reason, tend to hate the more stand out female philosophers.
Arendt, Beauvoir, and Rand (despite what you think) have had huge influences on popular thought; and in general other female academics hate them.

Black people have some good philosopher's but they are typically centered around political philosophy and activism. There is some good black existentialism, however black people have historically not read much philosophy, no racist, so they often get lost.

>>6327821
>tfw you naught boy ;)

You will never spank Simone' ass in public.

The etymology of the word philosophy implies a love of wisdom.

All done there. Next question?

>>6327905
>Arendt, Beauvoir, and Rand (despite what you think) have had huge influences on popular thought; and in general other female academics hate them.
Doesn't seem that way to me. What about Butler, they seem to be all over her?

>>6327921
>social science

>>6327876
Not suprising being that for centuries, philosophical education was limited towards white males.

Hannah Arendt
Helene Cixous
Julia Kristeva
Judith Butler
Simone De Beauvoir

All working at my preferred points of crossing of aesthetics, ethics, politics, and post-phenomenology.

I can't think of any other black or female thinkers who aren't just boring marxist-humanists.

>>6326258
> neither of them have been allowed in Western culture

what about African culture? Why have there been no great African philosophers throughout history?

>>6326220
>Why aren't there any black philosophers?

>>6328088
oral history and lack of wide-scale communication for most of their history. there probably were smart dudes, they just didn't have the resources to get their thoughts out there before colonialism came and everything got messed up

>>6326220
"philosophy is dumb"
-thomas sowell

Why are there no true Scotsmen?

>>6328093
lol

>>6328092
Grats, kek'd

>>6328088
Well, there probably are, you just haven't heard of them. I wouldn't expect someone from Mali to be familiar with Aristotle or Nietzsche for the same reason I wouldn't expect you to be familiar with Abu-sa'id Uthman ad-Dukkali or Ibn Khaldun.

>>6328105
There are, they just never do anything. Maybe them fucking scots just lazy.

>>6328113
but those were arabs weren't they

inb4 you fail to understand what people are talking about when they talk about "no african philosophers"

>>6326220
> no black philosophers
Stirner
Kendrick Lamar

wtf is wrong with you OP?

Mary Wollstonecraft
Emma Goldman
Simone Weil
Hannah Arendt
Ayn Rand
Simone de Beauvoir
Judith Butler
Martha Nussbaum


For black philosophers there's W.E.B. du Bois, Malcolm X, and Frantz Fanon.

I'm sure there are more, but these are some more notable names off the top of my head.

>>6328213
if we're talking about americans; eldridge cleaver, too

>>6328092
niceme.me

You get philosophy when a group of upper / middle class dudes can sit around and argue about stupid shit because their needs have been met.

There aren't many female philosophers because women aren't naturally inclined to argue with one another for the sake of doing so. They don't argue, and the stupid shit they talk about is less profound, more myopic. It's either gossip, bragging, or complaining about men.

Black men simply haven't had the same opportunity to talk about stupid shit like white men have since the Greeks. They've had to spend so much time worrying about survival and enslavement, that they've been less likely to have that necessary combination of education, safety, and freedom. Blacks who are able to get education, safety, and freedom and who are interested in philosophy focus on the political side because they have to.

>>6326499

I'm the person you're replying to and I'm a woman and a feminist.

Still, people are free to choose their own paths. Western society has still not reached such a high stage of equality that we're able to find myriads women freely operating within the areas of philosophy and higher-literature.

You forget that a lot of what makes a person is defined by what they're exposed to early in childhood, and there's still enormous levels of gender based segregation occurring in childhood development.

A lot of women today think you have to make the decision between beauty or intellect and success; I say why not have both?

Still what I know, all the shit that I write is pleb tier fantasy kek

>>6328259
>>6328259
> naturally inclined to
gender essentialism and appealing to human nature,c'mon my man
>Black men ...etc
i think the not having an extensive history of written literature and secular though is probably the only real answer here. i agree broadly with your materialist causalty tho

>>6328283
whoa, feminists on lit? what type

>>6328290

idk, I'm just your standard quiet, morose /lit/ fag only with a vagina.

>>6328297
no, i mean; liberal, radical, socialist, etc?

>>6326220
Because historically they were too busy planting and preparing our food.

>>6328059
>muh oppression myth

come up with some other knee slappers

>>6328302

I guess liberal would be the most apt description.

The progression of human understanding would never be able to continue if you allow yourself to be bound by restriction and regulation. Live and let live, stop imposing nonsensical rules and laws based upon a feigned sense of morality again each other etc.

>>6328314

It's not really a myth though is it, it's pretty well documented throughout history.

how come poor people who have to labor for a living don't become philosophers

>>6328322
they actually have shit to do

>>6328320
>stop imposing nonsensical rules and laws based upon a feigned sense of morality again each other etc
And aren't nowadays feminists totally the opposite of that?

>>6328320
well i can't agree with your collusion with the bourgeois or disregard of the economic roots of social oppression, but you do you, sister

>>6328314

>Not having historical knowledge of cultures and their efforts to acquire resources at the expense of weaker ones

I get that we're stupidly Contrarian but for fucks sake anon step up your game or be subtle about it.

>>6328286
That isn't gender essentialism, which is saying that all women and all men behaving in a certain way. It's not an appeal to nature, as I'm not arguing that it necessarily should be this way based on differences. I'm simply making a statement of fact: men and women are statistically different and that's reflected in the development of philosophy, which is rich for women and non-existent for women.

>>6328286
That isn't gender essentialism, which is saying that all women and all men behave in a certain way. It's not an appeal to nature, as I'm not arguing that it necessarily should be this way based on differences. I'm simply making a statement of fact: men and women are statistically different and that's reflected in the development of philosophy, which is rich for men and non-existent for women.

>>6328297
>im a girl btw

>>6328327

I don't know, I can't really speak for the majority of other women who claim themselves to be feminists. There seems to be a variety of branches many of which hold beliefs that differ so drastically from my own.

I'd be like to claim that they're not really feminists but then I'd be invoking "No true Scotsman" and I cbf going down that road.

>>6328329

Awwwwwwwwwww yis.

>>6328337
how much of that is nature and how much is culture though? by saying 'naturally inclined' one gets the impression that you feel this is a fact of biology and is either not due to or insurmountable by culture. but i dont see how we can be anything but agnostic about women and men's 'ńatural inclinations' as there can be no control group by whom to measure.

>>6326253
good point, basically right after Albert Camus died everything went to shit

>>6326379
>6 outliers, there are more but they're the minority
>implying philosophy departments involve thinking
fallacious post

>>6328359
If men and women are naturally different, and those differences impact their ability to produce philosophy, you'd expect that men and women would have different philosophical outputs.

An inclination isn't necessarily insurmountable. For instance, I had an inclination to eat like shit, but through conscious effort I was able to change it. My claim, however, is that men and women have a natural inclination. That is, if you treated men and women exactly the same from birth, you would get differences.

The thing is, the propensity to philosophize doesn't have any prerequisites in terms of knowledge. Knowledge only affects the depth of your philosophy. Women tended to have less access to education than their male counterparts, but that shouldn't have mattered much. What matters more is that philosophy is based on argumentation, something women simply do not do for the sake of it with each other like men do with each other. Men argue for arguments sake the way men fight for fightings sake. It's an extension of all the other ways men compete with one another.

2500 years ago when people were asking really simple questions like why things fell to the ground when you threw them there was nothing preventing women from thinking about these same questions and discussing them amongst themselves. They just didn't. They preferred to talk about more trivial things like what Melissa was wearing at the festival yesterday.

Things have not changed and we find this in virtually every other society we've observed. My conclusion as it stands is that women simply don't have the propensity to philosophize like men do.

>>6328364
>He wasn't even that significant to be honest

>>6326258

>blacks don't exactly have a rich history when it comes to philosophy and expansion.

Racist.

>>6326258
> blacks don't exactly have a rich history when it comes to philosophy and expansion.

have you completely forgotten about the egyptians, Mesopotamians, etc.? Or are you just completely brainwashed by white written history?

In addition to what other people have said, don't you think that a lot of academics who come from marginalized groups would focus on pointing out and combatting tangible oppression instead of more abstract philosophy?

>>6328475
>the egyptians, Mesopotamians, etc.?
top kek Nice b8

>>6328320
>It's not really a myth though is it, it's pretty well documented throughout history.
Except that's not true

>>6328330
>historical knowledge

>>6328320
>It's not really a myth though is it, it's pretty well documented throughout history.


Are you implying there's anything wrong with oppression?

I want to oppress every minority. I don't give a fuck about your bitchy-ass morals

>>6328475

I don't believe the Egyptians were black, but I don't believe they were white either.

>>6328459

white feminists are racist as hell. it's what splintered the movement in the 60's.

Aristotle was black

>>6328259
>stupid shit

I don't think the Scientific Method is considered stupid shit

>>6328475
Neither of those cultures are known for their philosophical thought. Ancient Egyptian philosophy is extremely primitive to say the least, and of the Mesopotamians, only the Babylons made any notable contributions

If you learned history from actual historians instead of rap music, you would probably know this.

>>6328535

I'm not a racist I'm a realist. I don't believe the Egyptians were either black nor white. In fact all evidence pertaining to black peoples within Egyptian culture suggests that they functioned as lower class members of society and slaves.

In reference to other black cultures, well the people of Africa developed in a land that held the most bountiful riches of any in the world and what did they do with it? Nothing.
By the time whites reached Africa what had the black achieved? Had he learned agriculture or farming? Architecture? How to build boats and sale, or at a very minimum how to stable and control the wildlife around them?

No. They did non of this. They were very much still at a primitive level when they were introduced to us.

Like I said, I'm not a racist, I'm a realist. I don't believe any race is below me but I'm going off of historical documentation and fact.

>>6328571

> In reference to other black cultures, well the people of Africa developed in a land that held the most bountiful riches of any in the world and what did they do with it? Nothing.

So you're parroting white supremacist rhetoric now? You should go to /pol/, they would love you there.

>Like I said, I'm not a racist, I'm a realist.

lol

>>6328532
black egyptians is the worst revisionist history ever

>>6328571

>They were very much still at a primitive level when they were introduced to us.
>I don't believe any race is below me

u wot m8.

>>6328630
I'm a racist. Black people are stupid as fuck. What you gonna do about that? Call me immoral? Pretend you're superior?

L.O.L. "MUUUHH OBJECTIVITY"

>>6328639
How do those contradict?

>>6328630

>ur just a dumb racist
>but I'm not going to explain why or even offer up a counter argument
>b-because
>muh black egyptian utopia

Okay.

Spinoza was a black Jew.

simone de beauvoir
huey p newton

>>6328651
Cool story bro

>they painted him to look white!

Give me a break.

Angela Davis was the only one with a truly consistent Marxist grasp on the dehumanizing aspect of gender. She understood that gender wasn't just a class distinction but THE FIRST class distinction.

>>6328647

>saying a race is primitive and unable to function without white assistance
>"b-but i'm not saying we're better or anything!"

Passive aggressive as fuck.

>>6328663
good for her, but that thesis is fucking retarded

>tfw white man
>tfw 99.9999% of everything great ever done was done by white men

All joking aside, who here /thankfultheyaren'tblackorawoman/?

>>6328664
That's not what he said. Try reading what he said.

Why don't you commit suicide already and rid the world of your white genes, if you hate yourself this much?

>>6328671
>tfw indian
meh, at least I'm not nigger tier

>>6328671
i, for one, am glad to be a member of the master class

>>6328664

I never said they were unable to function. Clearly they were functioning as they were alive when we met,

Where did I state we were better? I didn't, you're trying to put words in my mouth. Being at a stage of high progression and development does not necessarily imply good nor greatness. We're presently at the highest stage of technological advancement that we've known and out planet and its policies are in shambles.

Everybody regardless of their gender, race or lineage is capable of great things when placed into the right conditions.

Stop being such an overbearing SJW cunt. God fuck it's jumped up little keyboard warriors like you that give feminists a bad name.

TL;DR: you don't know what the fuck you're talking about.

>>6328666
>has pornography saved on their computer
>thinks they can make any critique of gender oppression at all

>>6328676
Indians are at least Caucasian, and made great contributions to math. You're at least above niggers, abos, SE asians.

>>6328684
i'm not critiquing gender oppression, i'm telling you such critiques are fucking retarded.

White men like you who savagely defend women and minorities are awful fucking people. Every single one is a terrible person.

>>6328641

>I'm a racist.

Thanks for admitting it. The only issue was that the anon above was being a limp wristed passive aggressive fuck about it.

>>6326489
> impactful

>>6328641
>I'm a racist.
Tight bro. I wouldn't call you immoral or anything, I would just say you are an intellectual coward who must rely upon gross simplifications in order to deal with the complexity of the world like most decadent mental weaklings.

>>6328701
no shit i hate when people use that 'word'

>>6328683

>SJW

/pol/ pls go

>>6328711

>still no counter argument

True mark of a SJW.
You really don't know what it is you're arguing for do you? You just keep screaming "racist!" and hope that what it is that has perturbed you will eventually go away.

>>6328446
Thoughts like these are what got Larry Summers fucked.

>>6326220
Does Augustine count?

>>6328734
Augustine was neither black nor a woman.

>>6328683

>blacks were too primitive to produce works of philosophy
>blacks were barely functioning at a level above animals before whites found them
>"the people of Africa developed in a land that held the most bountiful riches of any in the world and what did they do with it? Nothing"

>"b-but we're not better or anything!"

You're doing mental pirouettes right now lol.

>>6328734
>>6328745
He was Finnish so I guess he's sort of a minority

>>6326220
Souleymane Bachir Diagne is definitely black, and a philosopher

>>6328716

i mean you're literally calling another race primitive i don't know what other word applies.

>>6328666
Gender took place with the dev. of agriculture, and prior to that the condition of humanity was contingent on shared means of understanding through the means of religion. Monogamy meant that the condition of humanity was withdrawn from women to ensure the division of reproductive labor. So the labour the woman contributes is dead labour like machinery

>>6328750

lol and what word would you use for a specific sector of a race known for it's ingenuity and rapid progression not understanding agriculture, architecture, farming, linguistics or sailing?

What word would you use? Because in the the end anything you come up with is just another synonym for primitive.

Don't try to into semantics with me kid.

>>6328746
>blacks were barely functioning at a level above animals before whites found them

I never said that though did I.
Is this the only way you can win arguments? By pretending the opposition made statements they clearly didn't?

>>6328776
Nice polemic but it's false

>>6328732
>Larry Summers

What's so interesting about Larry Summers is that precisely what makes women fucking boring and weak and uncompetitive is their being coddled, and their response to being told 'one theoretically possible explanation as to why women don't do so well in higher math is that they aren't as good at it for some reason' is to call for the man to take it back and then lose his job.

No attempt to rise to the occasion, to prove him wrong, to grapple with a potentially harsh and unpleasant reality about yourself, about your own inferiority or failing in some respect. Just directly from 'I feel bad' to 'stop saying the thing that makes me feel bad, or I'll coerce other men to punish you materially for it'.

Gee, I wonder why they never accomplish anything!

>>6328702
Nice polemic bro now you can stop posting any day because the topic is settled

>>6328778
what makes you think that africans weren't doing all that in the 3000BC while europe was still shitting its pants and could make a fucking wheel?

Women who believe they are oppressed are the most boring, insignificant people alive

>>6328803
Because they still hadn't discovered the fucking wheel by the time europeans colonized the continent in the late 19th century.

>>6328806
wow, you can't have access to my vagina now

Krs 1's Philosophy - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MwaTu2ED0tU

>>6328778

>What word would you use?

undeveloped? a word that doesn't invoke colonial era racism?

good to see you've abandoned the "we're all equal" act though.

>>6328803

Because we would have discovered some artefacts or remnants of a past civilisation if this were the case, but like, we haven't so once again, you don't know what the fuck you're talking about.

>>6328819

They were made of ecological materials because their liberals thought they were doing too much damage to nature, thus leaving no trace of their technology

>>6328818

Sorry what was that? Want to repeat that for me again?

>>6328782

You said:

>They were very much still at a primitive level when they were introduced to us
>Had he learned agriculture or farming? Architecture? How to build boats and sale, or at a very minimum how to stable and control the wildlife around them?

>yfw meeting the most passive-aggressive person on 4chan

>>6328810
>I can't access the vagina of self-arranging text on my screen

I've lost nothing

>>6326220
Because only virgins ponder on philosophical questions

>>6328823

HA OKAY

Black people in the past at one point had some kind of super technology for which there is zero trace exists today but somehow you know all about,.

Seems entirely legitimate my friend.

>>6326388
She's not thinking

>>6328828

But did I say

>blacks were barely functioning at a level above animals before whites found them

Like you stated?

>>6328835

Yes, their liberals were really humane people, they cared about us and wanted to leave no contamination

>>6328809
what? the chariot entered egypt in the 2300BC, a few centuries after the hitites (pre arabs) designed the simplified wheel. Greeks took it from the egiptians.

>>6328819
yeah, building this when romans couldn't make their silly aqueducts work isn't a remnant of shit.

>>6328826

are you autistic? not even joking. i can't believe someone doesn't understand basic nuance in language.

>>6328835
WE BUILT DA PYRAMIDS YOU CREEPY ASS CRACKA

Even if women are oppressed, it doesn't matter because there is no right and wrong. So I'm an oppressor, that's me and that's what I love doing, so I'll so it.

Problem?

>>6328844
>what? the chariot entered egypt in the 2300BC, a few centuries after the hitites (pre arabs) designed the simplified wheel. Greeks took it from the egiptians.

>Egyptians
>black
You seriously can't be this retarded.

>>6328849
>black people with white features who depicted themselves as white in their own art existed at some point in the past, made egypt and then left.

some people actually believe this

>>6328840

What does primitive mean to you?

>>6328853
>Pre-christian egyptians
>pre roman invasion
>pre alexandre the great
>pre arab domination
yes, they were. funnily now the country is divided between arabs and nubians, who were the lower class always exploited and killed to make the pharaoh look like a winner.

>>6328870

Undeveloped by comparison with another source.

We are undoubtedly primitive compared to alien species.

>>6328789
They're both the investment of labour power into future labour which is also the reproduction of labour power.

It's only polemic because the whole family is held by mysticism that can't handle the slightest criticism from outside assumptions of revealed knowledge.

>>6328863
>white features
>white in their art
what? the surviving colors are closer to a brownish red, and it only could had been darker when the vegetal pigments were still there. the white still sruvives and it's only used for backgrounds.

>>6328871
Nah, they were never niggers. Heck even nubians today have semitic features.

>>6328863
White people painted over the black people to oppress historical blacks

>>6328878
in theory nubians only married among themselves, except the clans in the deep dessert that got heavily fucked by the armenian guys of Muhamed Ali (the armenian king in egypt, not the boxer)
The ones I saw were pretty black, but we don't have aftican americans in my country so I haven't developed this racist feature detector americans have.

>>6328826

sorry i'm still loling at the fact that someone can be this retarded when it comes to connotations in language.

>"why are you upset i called you a negro? hold on, let me just pull out my thesaurus..."

>>6328886
It's irrelevant to the discussion though. The ancient egyptians weren't black, but a semitic people, and depicted themselves as such.

>>6328886
>armenian
albanian, sorry

>>6328826
LOL you know synonyms aren't perfect right?

White white knights are the cringiest mother fuckers around. Whenever a white man rants about how black people were historically important, everyone, including blacks cringe at how fucking pathetic they are

>>6328874

>Everybody regardless of their gender, race or lineage is capable of great things when placed into the right conditions.

>a land that held the most bountiful riches of any in the world and what did they do with it? Nothing.

Sounds like blacks were placed in great conditions. Why didn't they achieve great things anon?

There are several of each, but they're honestly not worth your time.

>>6327885
>Brown, then. Whatever
>Black and brown

This meme really needs to end.

Donna Harroway, one of my favorite philosophers.

And before anyone makes a joke, I'm talking about the human female on the right, not the dog.

>>6328794
But anon they are coddled from childhood. Early childhood. There is no proof that such socialization differences from such early ages can't have profound over arching effects. What aren't' you getting? I bet you think that boys naturally cry less than girls too from infancy.
Also even if it's true somewhat, I mean after all women do seem to be more hurt by such things as rape then men over all...(though it could still be due to what we've just disgusted). There are studies showing that women tend to do better when not give the stereotype or when given it and explained that its not true. Math scores tend to be about the same(in a few instances slight better than) males. Compared to when they are told that girls are worse at math where do do much worse. I can find one study for you and give it to you. Furthermore...you have no proof that if men were told the same things, they would completely react differently.

>>6328900

lel you're the one getting so buttblasted over a collection of letters and their attributed meaning.

>>6328912

idk why are you asking me? Ask thw SJW in the thread that believe that blacks once possessed some kind of technologically advanced secret society that left no evidence and collapsed and vanished without reason.

>>6328925

>lel you're the one getting so buttblasted over a collection of letters and their attributed meaning.

Where do you think you are?

>>6328925

>idk why are you asking me? Ask thw SJW in the thread that believe that blacks once possessed some kind of technologically advanced secret society that left no evidence and collapsed and vanished without reason

Aren't you the anon who said blacks were primitive even though they had all the resources in the world, but like, we're all equal guize?

>>6328923
his point is that the feminist reaction to critique is outrage, not whether the critique is valid or not

summers didn't even offer it as a definitive critique, because he's not a retard. he suggested it as a possibility.

"I’m sure you’re expecting me to talk about Larry Summers at some point, so let’s get it over with! You recall, he was the president of Harvard. As summarized in The Economist, “Mr Summers infuriated the feminist establishment by wondering out loud whether the prejudice alone could explain the shortage of women at the top of science.” After initially saying, it’s possible that maybe there aren’t as many women physics professors at Harvard because there aren’t as many women as men with that high innate ability, just one possible explanation among others, he had to apologize, retract, promise huge sums of money, and not long afterward he resigned.

What was his crime? Nobody accused him of actually discriminating against women. His misdeed was to think thoughts that are not allowed to be thought, namely that there might be more men with high ability. The only permissible explanation for the lack of top women scientists is patriarchy — that men are conspiring to keep women down. It can’t be ability. Actually, there is some evidence that men on average are a little better at math, but let’s assume Summers was talking about general intelligence. People can point to plenty of data that the average IQ of adult men is about the same as the average for women. So to suggest that men are smarter than women is wrong. No wonder some women were offended.

But that’s not what he said. He said there were more men at the top levels of ability. That could still be true despite the average being the same — if there are also more men at the bottom of the distribution, more really stupid men than women. During the controversy about his remarks, I didn’t see anybody raise this question, but the data are there, indeed abundant, and they are indisputable."

>>6328925

>can't understand basic nuance in language

how do you even function in social situations?

>>6328571

I'm gonna go copypasta for racebaiting on /pol/. Thanks for the write-up.

>>6328878
First off. What exactly are "white features" and how can you definitely and genetically define them? Perhaps you can say certain genes for face TEND to be inherited along with white skin or black skin. But what are you really saying when you disqualify some people from being black, whit, or asian? What are the dfined boundaries and how does this equate with intellect? Is a white person born with specific features who is "stupid" considered less genetically white?

>>6328550
>only the Babylons made any notable contributions
>only

As if Babylon was some minor culture

>>6328942
Huh lol I don't think feminists really believe "Men" as a group are conspiring though. Most are just as effected plus it think it has more to do with the social order established that is kept alive through blissful ignorance and social reproduction. And you took my whole argument out of context I was simply responding to your point made in that comment which I believe, with reason, to be erroneous. I guess I took yours out of context too since i didn't see you were mainly arguing about Summers in other posts.
It is a harmful idea though for the reasons I pointed out since we have already demonstrated social psychology to play a significant enough part. It's best to see what works first before we try to use other explanations, eh?

>>6328923
>There is no proof that such socialization differences from such early ages can't have profound over arching effects.

There is even less evidence that they do. Even if they do, why should anyone care about what model of society you prefer? Maybe I prefer oppressing women. What then? You can't argue for your views, you assume them as the right goal

>>6328213
since when Malcolm X is a philosopher

>>6328923
>Math scores tend to be about the same(in a few instances slight better than) males.
Trivially false, and overreaching on a few weak studies. Try harder faggot, white man, nobody respects your white knighting.

>>6328571
>>6328571
>did they make boats or literature? Learn how to control nature? No.
Uh you sure about that mate. There is evidence or boat use before whites arrived. They have many stories and types of art.
if you say but it's not "great" then fuck you. You've proven all of your opponents' points
Also define controlling "nature"? Do you mean to the same way was whites or they simply not at all? If the latter I call b.s. they had tools, fire, and again boats as well.

>>6328955
White features are a thin, straight nose, a rather heavy brow, and a straight jaw. Black features are a large, flat nose, a small brow, and a projecting jaw.

Here's a pic where you can see both type of features. Can you guess which is which?

>>6328977
So why change it? Why again should I give a flipping fuck about any of what you say?

Okay, so people thinking that ancient Egyptians were black isn't a meme but they actually exist?

>>6328988
Why are they weak when you haven't even looked at the methodology? And why is any study conducted to show otherwise the only correct one? Go on, tell me how you can easily dismiss the claims as trivially false? I didn't over react. I simply say it's evidence that such things as socialization may play a significant role. Thus it's best to conduct more studies and in the mean time, eliminate such myths to see if that is truly the reason rather than just speculating MUH genetics which is MUCH harder to explain tangibly/isolate. On the contrary, you seem the one more likely to over act over ONE study that showed the opposite. Admit it anon, you're talking about of your ass and have no evidence other than the fact that so far less women tend to major in mass.
>btw you also assume that even male that majors in mass does well and would get better grades then most females/ demonstrate better competence which you cannot prove
>white man
yeah no.

>>6328992
Ancient Egyptians weren't white either you retard... they were an Afro-semitic halfbreed... neither white nor black.

Unless we are talking about the Ptolemaic dynasty of pharaohs, which were ethnically Greek.

>>6329026
I never said they were. I was simply responding to that other anon asking me what 'white features' were. I actually used the term "semitic features" in my post.

They were semitic caucasoids, very much like egyptians today.

Here's a painting of an ancient egyptian guy.

Now I'm wondering, was was europe up to back in 3000bc? celts?

>>6329002

I think the Nubian conquest dynasty is what arouses confusion. That and American black people grasping at straws, looking for a glorious history like every other stupid nationalist.

>>6328998
do you know the meaning of SOCIAL reproduction? in terms or beliefs and values of a society being brought to new generations.
Change because they feel if this is not the natural order, why be compelled to live in such a way what ends up limiting certain individuals in some capacity? this DOES create a nit of problems considering many stem fields usually command the most income and respect. It wouldn't be a problem otherwise but some people seek to devalue others this way sadly.

>>6329037
But thats a Greek person who immigrated to Egypt.

>>6329040
Teutons? Celts? Romans? Nords?

>>6329065
No it's not. This was painted on a mummy casket. Greeks didn't get mummified.

Also he looks pretty swarthy for a greek. Almost as if he was...semitic.

>>6328983
But why would you prefer just oppressing a group? That's tyranny? You're not making sense. Anyway if that's your goal people do have the right to oppose that tyranny.
>there is even less evidence that they do
I don't know where that even less evidence comes from exactly but
Yeah somewhat maybe. But a hell of a lot better evidence than simply genetics. I dare you to find genes associated with being good at math or having a competitive attitude or attitudes in general. Even if they exist, they're likely continuous and heavily affected by environment due to the differences we have already seen in the past 50 years.
It's a decent lead to work with and evaluate to it's fullest and to see if it does hold to theory. If not, abandon it and look for other causes(including genetics)

>>6329102
>Anyway if that's your goal people do have the right to oppose that tyranny.

No they don't. They will, and I will crush their spirits, but they have no "right".

>>6326289
lol

>>6329040
More or less pre-Indo-European.

>>6329071
Nords and 'Teutons' (Germans) come from common Baltic-region Germanic stock millennia later. Celts are also much much younger than 3000BC. Indo-European Italic peoples and Mycenaeans/'Dorians' entered their respective subcontinents way later too.

There were trade links between Northern Europe to the Bronze Age Mediterranean which overlap with Indo-European cultures and possibly predate them. The amber route is very old:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amber_Road

>>6328992
You still haven't answered my question really. You say they're white features but when you you get into truly black or white features? You may have often white skin accompanying certain facial features genetically(linkage), but what of it? And how well does this idea factor in with people who are mixed race(any kind).

>>6328776
Yea, that's why living, isolated, non-agricultural societies are egalitarian.

Oh wait, they're not.

>>6329124
>You say they're white features but when you you get into truly black or white features
That sentence doesn't mean anything.

> And how well does this idea factor in with people who are mixed race(any kind).
Mixed race people are exactly that : a mixture of both features of the mixing races.

not knowing about Professor Sommers
https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=christina+hoff+sommers+

I don't believe women can't be philosophers. I believe women aren't philosophers because they're spoilt and don't have to harded their heart to the world. Men live in a world of pain, and that makes them strong. Women live a life of pleasure and it makes them weak. Niggers can philosophize, but only about nature. They cannot create spooks, they're animals.

>>6329118
But neither do you then. Lol they should be able to do what they want as do you.
>btw your attitude is what feminist have been arguing against from the beginning. Nothing genetic about it, just some people wanting to keep or simply being too complacent with a social order that ends up limiting some people's experiences in society as compared to others.
Btw what you're saying is country, establishment etc. has any right to rebel or revolutionize but in such a case no one has a right to rule either

>>6329147
But animals can't philosophize only humans can and at the very least communicate it to other humans(like yourself) via some type of language. Anon I think you're stupid.

>>6328992
> Black features
>White features

Because either of these group are genetically homogeneous enough for this kind of classification

>>6329140
>"factual" feminist
>frequently makes use of anecdotes

>>6328992

>White features are a thin, straight nose, a rather heavy brow, and a straight jaw. Black features are a large, flat nose, a small brow, and a projecting jaw.

What about Ethiopians/Somalis? Do they look the same as West Africans?

>>6329168

Who says animals can't philosophize? Is not the worker ant's steadfast dedication to its colony a philosophy, and in the grand scheme, a spook? You don't need communication to philosophize.

>>6329181

Ethopes/Somalians are actually mostly Asian. They extensive trade with the Arabs, and the Arabs actually settled most of Somalia.

>>6329187
What about the khoisan and the other dozens upon dozens of ethnicities inside Africa?

>>6329128
My bad my keyboard is bad at times, I keep forgetting.
The whole thing with "white " features only comes up whenever you have any other group of people that, regardless of their skin color, have the type of "nose or eyebrows"similar to those also inherited with white skin pigmentation. I'm asking given this, why can we say such features are "white"and why do we so quickly defend them as so?

>>6329072
>Greeks didn't get mummified.
The oldest fragments of Homer we have come from mummy tombs in Egypt, they were probably Greek.religion started becoming syncretic with Egyptian under Alexander, and as early as Herodotus the Greek gods were considered synonymous with the Egyptian gods.

>Also he looks pretty swarthy for a greek. Almost as if he was...semitic.
Swarthiness was considered attractive for males in Greece, I wouldn't be surprised if his complexion was slightly darkened for aesthetic reasons.

Egyptians (probably) weren't black black, as in "negroid",, but they were certainly darker than that. The Greeks didn't describe Semitic peoples, such as Arabs and Jews, as "black", whereas both Herodotus and Aristotle refer to the Egyptians as black.

>>6329192

The Bantu (south Africans) were geneticaly isolated. They didn't even breed with the Ethiopians or Somalians, they live in complete isolation, until the 1400's when Portugal invades.

>>6328571
>never heard of Axum Empire
>Kingdom of Ghana
>Mali Empire
>Songhai Empire
>Ethiopian Empire
>Mossi Kingdoms
>Benin Empire
>says Egypts don't count
>never even listed Carthage or Nubia
>considers Africans "primitive"

You're so unbelievably ignorant.

>>6329182
No body knows that. Plus blacks can't mate with any other kind of animal but human(including whites) funny how that works out. Btw I love how you're trying to take some intellectual grounds citing we don't have evidence to prove that animals can;t philosophize yet you seem to figure you have the correct evidence to make a definitive claim that Blacks are animals or what they can only philosophize about. Or that you (or me even) can define who is and what makes someone human or animal.

>>6329216
My point was that

>Black features are a large, flat nose, a small brow, and a projecting jaw

is only true in some cases and that the black people even genetically isolated ones.in Africa display great diversity in their appearance and stating that black features are this and not that proves nothing as there are no definitive black feature to speak of outside of skin.

>>6329182

>Is not the worker ant's steadfast dedication to its colony a philosophy, and in the grand scheme, a spook? You don't need communication to philosophize.

What the fuck

>>6329246
forgot image

Khoisan look nothing like west African or Ethiopians. The idea of "black features" is bs

>>6328992
I'm sure all of those features can be found in both populations. Stupidity like this allows people to claim that Beethoven was black.

>>6329019
Girls tend to have better language scores. Is this also the result of socialization? Why would the dreaded patriarchy instill in girls better language ability?

It's not hard to explain these things by genetics and hormones. For instance, testosterone production predicts behavior and interest in certain objects (like dolls or screws), even in newborns (see Simon Baron-Cohen's experiments). And girls are significantly less likely to be diagnosed with autistic disorders, diseases associated with success in STEM fields. There's been a disproportionate rise in autism around Silicon Valley, for instance, which is attributed to the fact that many very smart people have moved over there the last couple decades.

>>6329221

She's an idiot bro. Don't waste your time.

>>6329283
girls are less likely to be diagnosed with autism because they're socialized to cover up the symptoms because they are expected to be people-focused, empathetic, etc, which also contributes to a higher lanugage score. girls are molded into nurturers and caretakers and girls aren't.

>>6329150
No I'm not saying that at all. Nice straw man though.

I never asserted that I have the right to anything either. I never asserted anything has a right at all, you inferred that from what I said because it's easy to argue against someone when you make up what they said.

>>6328163
well there aren't many well know arab philosophers either so>>6328113 is kind of right. Different culture, oral tradition sometimes, works getting disregared for religious reasons in the middle ages, etc.

>>6329321
So literally everything is a spook to you?

Again, opposing the naturalistic fallacy destroys all normativity to anyone who's capable of analytics; and since white male SJWs like you rely on analytics to "prove" your self-loathing is justified, you should realize that your reasoning is all about obfuscating your shoulda under an avalanche of metaethical non-issues.

Reject naturalistic appeals to what should, and all you're left with is positive polemics and boring rants. If you believe all people "should" be equal, then you're a fool because you can't reject moral realism

>>6329321
Girls aren't socialized to be anymore social than boys are.

>>6328320
>Live and let live, stop imposing nonsensical rules and laws based upon a feigned sense of morality again
>feigned sense of morality
Nothing feigned about it, you fedora-tipping redditfag

>>6328532
This doesn't look like any era of Egyptian art I've ever seen.

>>6328836
She's Marxist, and not thinking the way you want her to think. Evidently.

CTRL F
NO MENTION OF MY WAIFU
'SUSAN SONTAG'
WHY /LIT/
WHY

>>6330301
>This doesn't look like any era of Egyptian art I've ever seen.

It's 18th Dynasty, from the tomb of Horemheb.

>>6328988
>Try harder faggot, white man, nobody respects your white knighting.

Nobody respects your macho posturing outside of 4chan and redneck dinner tables.

>>6330680
Look in the dumpster next time.

>>6329257
That's because Khoisan are not black you idiot.

Broad flat nose and projecting jaws ARE black features, whether you like it or not.

>>6330905
>Khoisan are not black you idiot
>you idiot

>>6328088
St.Augustine comes to mind, but he doesn't count because North Africa isn't really Africa (because it wasn't poor at the time) and religion is just mental illness.

>>6329147
how old are you

>>6330905
> Khoisan are not black

What are they if not black?

>>6330936
>>6331266
They're pretty much a distinct race from the rest of humanity, kind of like australian aboriginals.

They're certainly not bantus, which is what people mean when they say black.

>>6328338
>im secretly a wite nite btw

>>6326220
women are weak and worthless without a man to pick them up their whore-nature

negros are to comfy in the position of their stereotype

do you have others questions ?

>>6331297
>to pick them up their whore-nature
to pick them up from their whore-nature

>>6328676
You came up with buddhism. And some of the smartest people in the history.

Just try to keep those rapes in check, k?

>>6326220
>Why aren't there any 8 year old philosophers?
>Why aren't there any chimpanzee philosophers?

That's basically what you are asking, and the answer should be obvious.

>>6331272
>bantus, which is what people mean when they say black.
Not really m8

>you're only a philosopher if you're published

>>6328163
They were Islamicized Africans, but eh.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Entryism

You Marxists should already know what the score is.

>>6331329
>Trotsky's "French Turn"
>The turn successfully raised the group's membership to 300 activists.

lel

>who is Michael Jackson

>>6328684
Is Gay Porn oppressive to men?

>>6328684
what about all those tranny hypnos you watch? stop being a hypocritical faggot

>>6326220
>>Why aren't there any black philosophers?
heat of africa dumbs everybody

>>6327862
fuck this idiot
for real
serious who-gives-a-fuck territory

>>6331345
yes and women

>>6331345
Half of gay men are predominantly feminized in their mannerisms which is why they are desirable to the more masculine gays. Excluding those who switch, of course. Gay porn caters specifically to the "dominant" male demographic, not the feminized males. If you don't see how this is oppression then I feel sorry for you.

>>6328213
>Emma Goldman
my niggah

>>6331471
1/2 of gay men are feminized so the other half is masculine? how is that catering "specifically" to a "dominant" demographic when it's equal.
if anything, the porn caters specifically to feminine guys who're into masculine guys. most male porn actors are big, muscular and masculine.

>>6328684
>being sex negative
I'm an anime watching faggot who wishes all sex-having normies were dead and even I think that shit is retarded.

>>6331481
confirmed gaylord, thank you into the insight of buttplowing. I am more intelligible than I was before.

>>6331509
you want to see a similar insight into what you THINK is straight porn? go to a porno youtube type site and search for deepslutpuppy...

>>6331518
ok only xhamster and xvideos has it. probably because of copyright complaints on some and super queer tranny shit being banned from others.

>>6331518
don't do this again

If America is the culmination of Western white civilization, as everyone from the Left to the Right declares, then there must be something terribly wrong with Western white civilization. This is a painful truth; few of us want to go that far. … The truth is that Mozart, Pascal, Boolean algebra, Shakespeare, parliamentary government, baroque churches, Newton, the emancipation of women, Kant, Marx, Balanchine ballets, et al., don't redeem what this particular civilization has wrought upon the world. The white race is the cancer of human history; it is the white race and it alone—its ideologies and inventions—which eradicates autonomous civilizations wherever it spreads, which has upset the ecological balance of the planet, which now threatens the very existence of life itself.

If there aren't female philosophers then explain Sasha Grey.

>>6326292
This happens a lot. Jocelyn Bell's discovery got her thesis advisor a nobel prize. Other people like Rosalind Franklin (who did a significant portion the work) died and the boys got the medal. This is all *recent* history - can you imagine what else might have happened?

>>6326489
Holy shit. Do you believe this? Tell me you don't fucking believe this

>>6328059
Yes but to be fair they made the philosophical education

ITT: we work on the assuption that what we don't know doesn't exist

>>6331926
>This happens a lot. Jocelyn Bell's discovery got her thesis advisor a nobel prize. Other people like Rosalind Franklin (who did a significant portion the work) died and the boys got the medal. This is all *recent* history - can you imagine what else might have happened?
yes, I can since even fewer women did what those you mention did. Basically, it amounts to nothing.

>>6326253

Philosophy major here.
Pretty much this. There "aren't philosophers" in general. And applying the scrutiny of contemporary "quota" policy on the term "philosopher" (regardless of whether you are a liberalfag trying to make a point about philosophy being chauvinistic or a nazifag trying to make a point about nuggers being stupid) is infinitely misguided.

When you finish a philosophy major today you aren't a "philosopher" you're a teacher or at best a philosophist (if that's a thing). There are a few celebrity philosophers like Žižek but that's it, the production of philosophers is at an incredible standstill due to present ideological circumstances.

Continuing in the direction of this argument: multiculturalism is a thing in the western world, mostly in the US. At the same time, positivism and utilitarism are the monopolizing ideologies in that cultural sphere- meaning people (and that includes black people and women) will always choose to study economics or engineering over philosophy.

Finally, yes, philosophy has always possessed an aura of elitism that is, let's face it, most appealing to white males. So the chance of someone slipping through this multi-layered net are extremely slim.

But what other anons said, one of the greatest 20th century philosophers was a woman. She tackled the question of totalitarianism which was basically the thing that pretty much ended philosophy, as philosophy could not provide an adequate answer to it and, even worse, philosophy was perceived as the force behind the horrors of totalitarianism. Especially thanks to things like the Heideger controversy, Marxism, of course, or the misinterpretation of Nietzsche by the Nazis. In a way, she almost saved philosophy. It's a common irony, don't you think?

>>6328887
His point was that "undeveloped" also connotes "primitive." You're not making an argument, you'd just like for certain words to be replaced by near-identical words so you can feel better about reality. Everyone knows what we mean when we say undeveloped - no tech, no ed, no wealth, etc. All those things that just happen to separate modern civilization from the primitive

>>6331471
This isn't true, at all. 99% of gay porn features masculine males on masculine males. If anything fem gays are oppressed by exclusion

>>6330700
Thank you. That was a horrible picture of it.

>>6331471
Gay here. Just coming to reiterate you have absolutely zero idea what you're talking about. Stop imposing man/woman gender roles on us. Our relationships and our porn are egalitarian god dammit

>>6331992

Philosophy wasn't killed by Totalitarianism at all, some Philosophy got linked to the Totalitarianism, but we still teach those Philosophers, we Philosophize about Totalitarianism, and people still are doing Philosophy just like before- and have been since then without a break. The only thing that died after WWII was good Continental Philosophy, and that's just because Heidegger completed everything worth saying in that strain of thought.

There are probably great Philosophers teaching at your school who have some interesting and unique ideas. I have no problem saying that I've been taught by much better Philosophers than Zizek.

>>6333295
Stop Capitalizing Philosopher And Philosophy

>>6326489

>>6332081
What about two hairless twinks going at it? What's that about?

>>6328671
>tfw Anglo
>tfw fiance is half Anglo/ half Ashkenazi
>tfw sons will have Jew intellectual gains with noble Anglo complexion

>>6326489

>>6331992

Philosophy grad here. Shut the fuck up.

>using "lets face it" non-ironically.
Possibly no hope for you.

>>6334884
>projecting your bias, most likely rooted in a childish defense mechanism, against the phrase 'lets face it' onto an issue which has nothing to do with you

gee, you seem really smart

>>6328213
Cornel West, as well

>>6334900
Let's face it, you are probably a fucking retard, and your dumb opinions are probably rooted in a childish "mommy, daddy look at me" defense mechanism you started to develop early in life to combat against the slowly descending realization that you are a fucking retard.


gee wiz kid,

>projecting your bias
>most likely rooted in a childish defense mechanism
thanks for the laughs

>>6329140
she is a fucking moron. Are you a redditor?

>>6329147
You must be a failure if you need to bolster yourself on such autistic grounds

>my life is an abomination so I need to resort to racism and sexism to make myself feel better

>>6334976
>no u

"Philosophy grad here"

Please state the institution so I can help you file the lawsuit.

>>6329349
>If you believe all people "should" be equal, then you're a fool because you can't reject moral realism

You can't? Try reading Nietzsche.

>>6334884
>qualifying your statement with the fact that you're a "philosophy grad"
Wow, you must be great.

>>6334977
>posts on /lit/
>thinks his life isn't an abomination
Haha, oh wow

>>6334977
>>6335070
He's right. We're all walking abortions, here.*
*Yes, even the people pretending to be successful with gorgeous lives.

>>6335059
It was mocking towards the statement he was responding to obviously.

The guy who said "philosophy major here"