/lit/ - Literature

Enjoy your socialist propaganda

>>6297791
Wow you sound like a character coming out of the book.

>>6297791
He already did, evidently.

>>6297791
>>6297804
Which parts exactly you consider to be propaganda? It's not like he lied about capitalism. It's not a secret that people are willing to slit each others throats for some cash. He didn't glorify Socialism either. At least I didn't catch any glorifying vibes.

>>6297818
Upton Sinclair was an active socialist.

>>6297775
I tried to force myself through it and I just couldnt do it.

>>6297826
Yeah I am aware of that. But still, it's not propaganda if what he has to say about capitalism is true. Or would you disagree?

>>6297829
I know what you mean, but trust me the hits you. It hit me pretty hard.

>>6297835
Even if it's true, it can still be propaganda. Russia Today reports facts, but it's still Putinist propaganda.

>>6297843
Yeah but that shouldn't be a reason against liking a novel. If he would bullshit the read all way through by telling lies, than you could say the propaganda makes the novel bad.

>>6297835
*the end hits you

>>6297852
*reader

>>6297852
I haven't read it so I can like it or not like it.

>>6297857
Why are you even in this thread then? You haven't read it and you don't seem to plan to.

>>6297867
Don't you know that no one here reads anything? If people only commented on boons they've actually read this board wouldn't move at all.

how close is it to TWBB

>>6297875
Oh okay. It's like people on /tv/ don't actually know what good movies are but still will rip you in pieces for your opinion on films. Well to be honest I'm pretty new on /lit/.

>>6297880
It's pretty close to the movie in the first 150 pages, it turns in a complete different direction after that.

>>6297891
would you recommend it solely based off an admiration for the film?

>>6297903
Absolutly. That's what made me read it. But as I stated before it can't get pretty boring because the author tends to describe everything in greatest detail and some parts are just boring in nature. But as I said it's worth to read till the end, cause the novel manages to create an even more grim ending than the movie.

>>6297917
*can get pretty boring

dude definitely peaked with There Will Be Blood

I fear we won't see any more masterworks from him, just celebrity ensemble pieces

>>6297935
I haven't watched inherent vice yet. Is it any good? /tv/ can't deliver a proper answer on this question, as always.

>>6297935
the master was good and inherent vice was great
his style has involved in a very interesting direction

he's got at least one more real good one in him, maybe nothing surpassing there will be blood, though

>>6297945
evolved

jesus christ I'm feeling stupid this morning

>>6297940
It's PTA's worst film.

>>6297940

I thought it was okay, you can tell PTA had never read much pynchon before making the movie, it's predictable but good

almost the entire movie is told in VoiceOver by Joanna newsom narrating, which is fucking annoying, and the Doc of the books is way more interesting that Joaquin Phoenix is able to pull off, but other than that it was a fun little detective story with some humorous moments

definitely not as good as the master or there will be blood, but it's probably not his worst movie (that would be hard eight)

Sooo... Has someone else actually read the novel?

>>6297818
Sinclair's socialist leanings are more obvious in The Jungle

If you're interested in reading about the history of oil throughout human culture then I'd suggest pic related. Going through it just now and it's a great read.

>>6297775
I thought Oil! was FAR inferior to There Will Be Blood.
Well that's not fair, let's say TWWB was an improvement.
The socialist propoganda (which is never a joke or 'shitpost' regarding Sinclair) was too heavy handed; the same shortcomings of The Jungle, which is remembered for everything BUT the socialist tones. I thought the nature of greed suited the novel far better than unionization etc, and TWWB was that, as well as an excellent character piece.
TWWB is the book Oil! should have been.

>>6298491
I think you are going a bit to far right there. There will be blood was great but the story was actually kinda boring. What makes TWBB so great is the acting which is fantastic. When it comes to the actual topic of oil, the book did a far better job.

>>6298589
Well that's just a difference in focus for you and me. I don't think of TWWB as a movie about Oil, I think of it as a movie about the character. The oil and the setting are secondary to the character's internal clockwork and could have been completely different.

If you're concerned with the actual oil bureaucratic process then yes, I suppose Oil! was much more detailed, as you would expect a book to be.

>>6298648
That's kinda the same what I said. When it come to oil the book did it better. That's what I was saying.