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Yeah, /lit/, I get it, but which Greek do I start with?

>> No.6280576

Metrodorus of Lampsacus (the younger)

duh

>> No.6280582

Thales

>> No.6282156

>>6280560
School system says Homer.

>> No.6282159

>>6280560
>not starting with the Sumerians
Meme following pleb here.

>> No.6282223

Hesio>Homer>Heraclitus>Parmenides>Democritus>Plato>Plotinus>Proclus
Skip Aristotle

>> No.6282255

>>6282223

>implying you can understand the neoplatonists without aristotle

>> No.6282278

>>6282159
>reading the Sumerians before reading the Anunnaki

>> No.6282286

>>6282255
>implying OP is gonna understand any of it

>> No.6282395

>>6280560
I was told that Herodotus was easy to understand. I tried to read. He was indeed. Give it a try. His stories are fun too.

>> No.6282427

>>6280560
Greeks

The Oedipus Plays of Sophocles
Sophocles' Electra
Euripides' Electa and Other Plays
Herodotus' Histories
Aeschylus' Oresteia
Hesiod's Work and Days
Hesiod's Theogony
Menander's Plays and Fragments

I'd start with Oxford World's "The First Philosophers: The Presocratics and Sophists"which provides a great introduction to understanding what the philosopher's achieved and why understanding the Presocratic philosophers is essential to understanding all of philosophy. Then, I would probably pick up the Penguin Classic's "Early Greek Philosophy" which is less of an introduction to study from and more of a guide used for references to later Greek philosophers who spoke of the Presocratics.

After this, go onwards to Plato's dialogues about Socrates. DO NOT start with "The Republic". Instead, begin with one of Plato's earlier dialogues. Get "Plato: Complete Works" edited by John M. Cooper. If you prefer to split up the books, get "The Last Days of Socrates" from the Penguin Classics collection first, then get "The Republic" from the Penguin Classics as well, and read them in that order. "The Republic" can be difficult for some, especially for those who aren't totally knowledgeable of Socrates beforehand, and even then, an analysis guide is usually recommended, if not required. I don't know one myself, but "The Blackwell Guide to Plato's Republic" seems to do the trick.

Following that, you typically learn about Aristotle. I'm obviously a bit biased with Penguin Classics since those are what I read, but really, translations really only affect poetry and fiction prose in my opinion, not non-fiction or essays like these unless they really go to great liberties to change things around. Anyway, I said that, because I recommend the penguin classics version of Aristotle's "The Metaphyiscs", and following that, the penguin classics version of his "The Nicomachean Ethics". Both should have a Blackwell guide as well, but I don't feel like its as required as it is for the Republic.

==History of Philosophy==
Basic Ancient:
Presocratic Philosophers - Kirk Raven
Republic - Plato
Dialogues - Plato
Categories - Aristotle

Basic Medieval:
Confessions - Agustin
(Skip the rest~)

Basic Modern Phil:
Treatise of the Method - Descartes
Meditations - Descartes
Critique of Pure Reason - Kant

==Ethics==
Nicomachean Ethics - Aristotle
Stoicism
The Utilitiarism - J.S Mill
Metaphysics of Moral - Kant
Genealogy of Morals - Nietzsche
Principia Ethica - Moore
Conference on Ethics - Wittgenstein
Discussive Ethics - Habermas

Optional: (1) Existencialist is an Humanism if you want some existencialist ethics, (2) Fragments of the Phenomenology of Spirit by Hegel (ethics related)

=Metaphysics=
Metaphysics - Aristotle
Critique of Pure Reason
What is Metaphysics? - Heidegger
Being and Time - Heidegger
The Order of Things - Foucault

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6282438

START
WITH
THE
GREEKS

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>>6282223
>Skip Aristotle

Is this a new meme?

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>>6282441
No he owns a junkyard in Missouri, he says some pretty deep shit.

>> No.6282515

>>6282441
It's a joke, I think, on when people say "skip the pre-socratics."

>> No.6282521

>>6282441

/lit/ is too dumb to understand that Aristotle's language is purely philosophical, and laugh at his works because "X (modern science, cooking, anything) proved him wrong lele"

>> No.6283598

>>6282521
No, we just think his philosophy is shit. We aren't /sci/.

>> No.6283613

>>6282521
see
>>6282515