/lit/ - Literature

Disengage totally from social democracy and liberalism. They haven't given the workers any more control over the means of production, none, the workers still have 0% control in their enterprises. The left has become useful idiots for liberalism and it has to stahp. Ugh.

As a Christian anarchist I can tell you that the left simply cannot be saved. They are Satanic protonomenklaturists and must be destroyed, but it's God's job to do that, not ours.

>>6271755
>protonomenklaturists

what are you even talking about

Which way is left and right again?

>>6271766
the two are the two variants of liberalism

>>6271763
If Joyce can make neologisms then so can I, dick!

>>6271763
>protonomenklaturists

>proto
>nomenklatur
>ists

>proto-
>From Ancient Greek πρωτο- (prōto-), combination form of πρῶτος (prôtos, “first”), superlative of πρό (pró, “before”).

>nomenklatur
>The nomenklatura (Russian: нoмeнклaтýpa, Russian pronunciation: [nəmʲJnklɐˈturə], Latin: nomenclatura) were a category of people within the Soviet Union and other Eastern Bloc countries who held various key administrative positions in all spheres of those countries' activity: government, industry, agriculture, education, etc., whose positions were granted only with approval by the communist party of each country or region. Virtually all were members of the Communist Party.[1] Critics of Stalin, such as Milovan Đilas, critically defined them as a new class.[2] Trotskyism uses the term caste rather than class, because it sees the Soviet Union as a degenerated workers' state, not a new class society. Later developments of Trotsky's theories, notably Tony Cliff's theory of State Capitalism, did refer to the nomenklatura as a new class.

>-ist
>one who has a certain political tendency

>>6271746
I kind of hear you but then I can't help but think that the Left will become complacent if we choose to do it, and instead of hiding behind Scandinavia, will hide behind a mechanistic interpretation of economic forces ("It will fall on its own")

>>6271780
The left needs to establish it's own political movement as a force demanding at least partial workers control of the means of production, the workers need to be given a degree of legal say in all business decisions, it can be just a pittance, but once that is achieved, class consciousness is inevitable.

The authoritarian left is starting to attack the reasonable left. That will alienate the reasonable left to become more centrist, leaving the authoritarian left to consume itself in periodic purges. When the authoritarian left dies, the centrists will gradually migrate and populate more the more extreme left again, hopefully this time without the authoritarian corruption.

>>6271784
I can totally see most people just not giving a shit about these decisions because they know they're not qualified to do it

>>6271787
You don't think workers will give a shit about wages and layoffs?

Shareholders take a very keen interest in business decisions.

>>6271784
"The workers."

You mean the proletariat?

You mean urban factory workers?

Take a look around. There are no urban factory workers left here anymore. The proletariat is extinct in Western countries.

The real proletariat is all manufacturing cheap ass good for Walmart over in China where they already have control of the means of production. Go figure.

>>6271776
Very well explained anon. Post upvoted.

>>6271792
I mean the people who sell their labor for money to buy things to live on, rather than people who resell or speculate in the labor of others.

The proles in China hardly control the production.

>>6271786
>authoritarian
>reasonable

very euphoric choice of words my fellow lolbertardian

>>6271792
>over in China where they already have control of the means of production.
what

>>6271792
The proletariat is the social class which possesses no mean to reproduce their subsistence except selling their labor-power for remuneration. So, like, the overwhelming majority of humankind

Not factory workers in asia

Have any of you who are concerned about the Left considered that the actual occurence of the revolutionary transformation in the mode of production isn't dependent upon the Left?

I think we're not being honest with ourselves when we fail to remember that its the proletariat as a social class which is the revolutionary agent, and not any particular political organizations of pro-revolutionaries

>/lit/ tries to do critical theory

>>6271814
>I think we're not being honest with ourselves when we fail to remember that its the proletariat as a social class which is the revolutionary agent, and not any particular political organizations of pro-revolutionaries

Name one revolution that happened without being lead by an organized, educated minority THAT'S RIGHT YOU CAAAAN'T probably because this New Left dream of all the population marching hand-to-hand with one consensual goal in mind is nothing but a stupid hippie fantasy!!

>>6271801
You don't need to be a libertarian to see how crazy the authoritarian left is, or how troubling it is when they try to present themselves as the only leftists.

>>6271827
On the contrary, when has the revolutionary transformation in the mode of production occured with the "leadership" of the Left?

If your vision of the revolutionary transformation is something like people marching in the street or people suddenly following any of the would-be political organizations attempting to position itself as vanguard, then we're not thinking with history in mind

>>6271780
>>6271784
Get a job
Join the union
Shoot your boss

>>6271841
>On the contrary, when has the revolutionary transformation in the mode of production occured with the "leadership" of the Left?

The "Left" only applies to a post-French Revolution scenario, so of course the Montagnards are the only example that applies. All previous ones existed before such terminology, but they're all there, lead by a minority: Cromwell, the Reformation, every anti-Slavery movement, etc. Even the american emancipation only occurred due to an organized minority within the republican party.

>>6271827
>Name one revolution that happened without being lead by an organized, educated minority
Hungary 1956
Spain throughout the 1930s

>probably because this New Left dream
This is some of the most infantile idealist reasoning I've seen in years. Well done, it takes hard work to be that stupid.

>>6271879
>Hungary 1956
>Spain throughout the 1930s

I rest my case

>>6271729
No.

It's already dead and buried.

>>6271882
fuck off

>>6271882
You mean you're an arrogant sep cunt with no knowledge of these two revolutionary situations, or you agree with me but you're incoherent? Which kind of dumb are you?

>>6271729
No, because there is only what's right, the nihil, not the left, or the spook that pretends it's real, and the false can't be.

>>6271913
My brother just stop. I know a leftist is still on his diapers when he's talking about Spain. You know nothing about theory, you're probably just a kid who spends his free time watching Noam Chomsky lectures on youtube and listening to Refused or Immortal Technique. Cut the insults, be polite when you're out of your league (like now) so people who know more than you ever will (like me) might bother teaching you something, and read more. Peace.

>>6271907
My brother just stop. I know a leftist is still in his diapers when he's talking about Spain. You know nothing about theory, you're probably just a kid who spends his free time watching Noam Chomsky lectures on youtube and listening to Refused or Immortal Technique. Cut the insults, be polite when you're out of your league (like now) so people who know more than you ever will (like me) might bother teaching you something, and read more. Peace.

>>6271921
is this some new coolkid crack may-may?

>>6271876
The de jure abolition of chattel slavery in the United States is not a revolutionary transformation in the mode of production. Capitalism had long since become the dominant mode of production by 1865, and chattel slavery persists within the context of the reproduction of capital even to the present day - even in the United States

You're talking about bourgeois political revolutions, when what is more apropos is the actual ascendance of capitalist relations within feudal relations, their displacement which led eventually to de jure political manifestations, like the bourgeois political revolutions against the aristocracy: meiji reformation, cromwell, french revolution. Without a change in the relations of production - which were not the plots of well organized feudal merchants and artisans to design new relations of production, these political revolutions would not have occurred.

>>6271925
>My brother just stop.

I'm going to assume you're ESL, because "brother" doesn't take a possessive amongst fws.

>I know a leftist is still in his diapers when he's talking about Spain.

You made an assertion about educated elites. The CNT's multiple uprisings over the 1930s refutes this directly.

>You know nothing about theory.
You presume a lot, friend. None of it substantiable. I like how you've avoided dealing with Hungary entirely.

>Cut the insults
Rest your fucking case.

>they still use terms like the left and right

Sittin' in my high chair feeling smug.

>>6271729
No, if anything, it can die, and rise again.

>>6271797
>>6271805

That's not the proletariat. Marx defined the proletariat as urban industrial factory workers. I find it hilarious that communists have inflated the definition so much for the sake of realpolitik that they don't even know the basics of their own theory anymore.

>self-procreating AI is invented
>successive AI generations increase in intelligence exponentially
>AIs build automated labour force
>automated labour force is stronger and more intelligent than humans
>all human labour ceases
>human productions are now measured in cultural, not exchange value
>there is a new renaissance, an explosion of creativity
>automated labour force builds spacecraft that start mining the planets and, eventually, other milky way solar systems
>every individual human now potentially has access to an entire economic system's worth of slave labour and quasi-infinite resources
>capitalism becomes obsolete
Stop praying for the revolution, and start working for the singularity.

>>6272147
>Transhumanism
Nice try utopian

>>6272141
>Marx defined the proletariat as urban industrial factory workers.
Precisely he fucking didn't. He explicitly singles out domestic servants, rural wage workers, and employee teachers producing service commodities as proletarians.

Fucksake you dumb cunt. Have you read Marx? People who sell their labour for a wage in capital.

>>6272141
Youve greatly embarrassed yourself with this post

It doesn't need saving
Society needs saving from the rightwing noise machine, neoliberal economic reforms, and rich fat cats

Absolutely dank fucking savage hood memes.
Good video editing (at least as good as ISIS)
Immortal Technique Mixtapes
Pins
Being polite around transgenders
Naxalites with big boobs.
Can they grow coke in Venezuela?
Terence McKenna
Paris Manuscripts
Butt stuff
Hardcore dudes from the middle east and latin america who can lay the dick
Bank Robberies
Consent Tracts
Dark Enlightenment twistaroo

>>6271729
Well, I am a part of a "revolutionary" group in Norway.
The problem is that we do not know how to accomplish our goal - and we are too few. The only thing we accomplish is fighting fascism in the streets to some degree.

I think the problem is that workers in the west, are not on our side as needed - being misled and voting for populist parties promising lower taxes or social democratic parties like Labour etc. believing they are socialist and for the workers anymore.

>>6272468
what exactly does communism have to offer workers tho? if communism wasn't shit it wouldn't have died out

No.
We need to institute the Kingdom of God if we want to save the world.
But the Kingdom is not of this world.
Therefore the world cannot be saved.

>>6272473
Freedom of exploitation, progress in every aspect (scientists would not be limited by the need of funding).
Yes, workers in countries like mine have relatively good conditions - but that is because we are also imperialists stealing from the 3. world and using asian slave labour.

Communism is stalling because the current world order is very effective at putting lower classes up against other lower classes ("White trash" against blacks/latinos etc.), making people care about relatively small things like Gay marriage, Abortion, Immigration etc. that they stop caring about changing the system, and over time brainwashing people into believing in the current law and order.

>>6272497
>progress in every aspect (scientists would not be limited by the need of funding).

but...this "funding" comes from the government, so in a place with no private enterprise all funding would have to come from the government...but i'm pretty sure you're trolling so whatever

>>6272482
>there are literally reactionary catholic existentialists on fucking 4chan
Anyone else find this hilarious?
Were these people actually brought up with the faith?

>>6271729
In the first world, people are simply too brainwashed and comfortable at the moment thanks to technology to even think about Socialism, Social-Democratic Liberalism is considered too "left wing" at the moment for half of the first world population essentially.

Wait until Neo-Liberalism's maw is fully opened and people see the teeth, I honestly believe that the TPP and TTIP come into play that will be the beginning of the end of Capitalism and Social Democracy as we know it. I believe the Government knows it as well, which is why in most first world countries we are seeing more and more authoritarian laws being pushed through that target the most basic of civil liberties.

Also the Far-Left Parties need to pull their heads out of their asses and actually start seriously agitating aside from playing Leninist historical reenactment societies, I honestly think the best thing the far-left can do at the moment is start to build dual power (opening charities, feeding and helping the poor), while coming up with new theories and models.

I also believe that all far-leftists need to stop their ideological purity at all costs. There is no reason at the moment that Anarchists and Leninists shouldn't be working together to push a general Socialist Class Consciousness.

>>6272504
Eh no, in a true communist society, the limit of potential would be in the law of physics, human capacity of understanding and resources we have (material and labour force).

See, that is the problem. People like you seem to think that a Communist society would use the same capitalist system, just make everything owned by the state with corrupt politicians and not the people.

>>6271729

What's needed is a re-appraisal of identity politics. I can well believe that, at its inception, IP was a step towards a more levelled society/culture. But now it seems to me that what it mostly accomplishes is to sow division among cohorts which would formerly have been broadly united.

I was reading about that child grooming scandal in Rotherham in England, for example, in particular about developments in Council practices in the early 1980s, when the Council suddenly wasn't any longer dealing with a single-bloc representative body of 'minorities', but with one body for Muslims, one body for (non-Muslim) Asians, another for blacks etc. And how this essentially translated into those bodies vying with each other for access to and influence over the Council. It seems like something of an open question to just suppose that that sort of thing would scale up to national and international level, but then again it doesn't strike me as particularly implausible that it might.

It seems particularly plausible when you look at, for example, the "TERF wars". Over the last couple of decades, feminism has intermittently torn itself to shreds over the issue of trans people. It's a conflict that, presumably, would have to play out in some form at some stage, but it seems the battle-lines are more clearly (and less reparably) drawn by their having been cast in terms of 'identity'.

My main beef with the IP issue is how it's led to a simplified and distorted concept of 'privilege'. Privilege does exist, to be sure, and yes, it would be great to reduce or even wholly negate its impact. But among the factors seen as contributing to privilege, race, ethnicity, gender and sexual orientation are regarded as front and centre, with what is to my mind the 400-lb gorilla of privilege, wealth, barely in the frame.

That's why you have comfortably well-off middle class female professionals complaining about 'privilege'. If privilege ever ends, they won't be part of the mob, they'll be some of the people getting their shit taken off them BY the mob.

Fundamentally, the simplified and distorted model of 'privilege' currently in vogue is akin to saying "You see that tiny group of people way up there, pissing on us all? How come more of them aren't women, eh? We demand more female piss!"

That's the only salvation for the left - to rediscover genuine opposition to financial inequality. Without that, however well-intentioned, what's left is just demanding more female piss, more gay piss, more non-white piss.

>>6272482
This.

>>6272473
Also this.

When was the last time you guys went to a factory? They're all full of foreigners who don't give a shit about society or this country. And especially not marxism. That's your working class. It's been destroyed by the capitalists by flooding the labour market with cheap foreign labour and then lobotomising them with advertising. The capitalists are smarter than you. They have won.

>>6272350
>>6272221
>>6272141

My understanding was that the distinction Marx drew between the urban workers and, say, farm labourers, was that he regarded the former as a potential source of genuinely revolutionary uprising, and thought the latter were unsuitable. So the only Marxian model of revolution involves the urban proletariat.

But who gives a fuck what Marx defined as this or that? I'm a leftist, not a Marxist. I don't hold neoliberals accountable to definitions laid out by Hayek - why would I?

>>6272132
I'm not going to assume anything about you, but people who think these are "outdated" terms are usually some of the most misinformed, illiterate cunts there is

>>6272527
Despite what ratchets like Badiou claim, there is no sense appealing to linguistic recombination of the communal sense, when in places like Afganistan, Nepal, etc it is the socialism of Marx which is the only one that forces beyond the limits of Western diction.

>>6272531
Never post

>>6272525
Saying this in Socialist communities today will get you called a brocialist but I actually agree with you.

While as Socialists we can all agree there are significant battles to be won in the Social Identity arena, it's insane how much Socialists these days are firmly up the asses of Liberal Feminism which does largely nothing to advocate the Socialist cause.

I know it's bad to say "class comes first" but lets just look at the numbers, for every active Socialist in the world, there is probably several thousand active feminists, why shouldn't we have people prioritizing class consciousness and a socialist mindset over Feminism?

>>6272525
I couldn't agree more. I frankly can't even bring myself to admit the "positive aspects" of identity politics today, because its adherents have pretty much destroyed every hope I had for economic emancipation in my lifetime. It's basically a movement without an endgoal, and they've been conditioned to think that any criticism can only be coming from a backwards, reactionary position.

>>6271729
The left is dominated by identity politics now. If you're not an atheist, transgender, anti-civ, anti-ableist, demisexual, vegan, feminist, tri-coloured person you're not a true leftist.

>>6272538
newsblast: communism is dead and marxism is outdated

>>6272577
>If you're not an atheist

unless you're a muslim, islam is the one religion allowed by the left

>>6272577
>that glorious feeling when reading all the anti-identity politics material on libcom

>>6272582
god it's so true.

>>6272565
The thing is, you can't fight them by their own rules. If you even present yourself as someone concerned with identity-related issues, you will be accused of hypocrisy until they have you exactly where they want. You can't say you're a "feminist" but your attentions are elsewhere because they will force you to walk the walk on your "feminism"

You have to go full Zizek, there is no other way.

>>6272586
Examples?

>>6272552
That post didn't seem Badiouist at all, what are you talking about?

>>6272587
I like to think that the Left is in average smart enough to keep criticism of religion alive while protecting the rights of minorities and fighting prejudice based on national grounds, but after Charlie Hebdo I'm not even sure what to think anymore.

>>6272579


The left existed before Marxism. It exists to this day. If your thesis really is that Left => Marxist, ¬Marxism :. ¬Leftism... well, no. That's just not true, sorry brah.

>>6272598
Stalin didn't give a shit about "minority rights"

>>6272608
liberal identity politics isn't leftism my man

>>6272592
http://libcom.org/library/identity-politics-anti-politics-critical-perspective
http://libcom.org/library/privilege-politics-reformism
http://libcom.org/library/insurrections-intersections-feminism-intersectionality-anarchism

How do you mean "saved"? This was just the natural progression of the Left.

>>6272609

Which proves what, exactly? I mean, it's true and all, but why are you pointing it out?

>>6272613

And strawberry jam isn't potatoes. Are you inching towards an actual thesis, or are we going to swap exciting anecdotes about the non-identity of various discrete entities?

>>6272613
Yes it is. Only the left could support it. They identify as leftists.
Why do Stalinists still want to define the left as Marxist/socialist/something like that?

>>6272576
>conditioned to think that any criticism can only be coming from a backwards, reactionary position.

There does seem to be a very deep-seated binary mindset. Reminds me of the great days of 'cryptos' where an opponent would invariably be a crypto-Fascist if they disagreed with you about zoning rights or something.

>>6271763
You need to give some intelectual charity to it since it is a neologism.

What I think he meant is that most people who defend leftist policies are the same people who, in a comunist country, would become nomenklatura. They openly defend giving the workers the means of production, but, giving in to their demands, would not result in that, but they would end in the same way the pigs ended in Animal Farm.

The power would never go to the people, but it would stay amidst the revolutionaires.

>/lit/ has a high concentration of NEETs and grad students
>it is also the highest concentration of communists
Coincidence?

>>6272617
I disagree. I think the Left "died" because it seemed like the post-war capitalist dynamic could address most of its concerns and therefore the fight against private property became "outdated" and all we had to do instead was fix the faults of the system one by one through welfare, identity-related programs, etc.

Now that it's clear that the post-war years were the exception, not the norm, caused by particular circumstances (crisis, war, cold war) we must reinvent ourselves according to the circumstances.

>>6272623
battling for the right of black trannies to be silicon valley CEOs is not leftism

>>6272512
>he doesn't know 4chan is a christian, if not catholic image board
how new are you?

>>6272714

Battling for them to have economic opportunity equal to anyone else is, though.

>>6272512

Trolls trolling trolls trolling trolls trolling trolls, that's all.

>>6272719
>Battling for them to have economic opportunity equal to anyone else is, though.

how is that leftism? you're arguing for them to be part of the free market...that's expanding capitalism, not reducing it. see, this is precisely why the left is dead. they now fight for the right of everyone to be able to participate in capitalism, well that's a nice thing to do and very caring and gives everybody warm and fuzzy feels, but it's not leftism...when the church gives out free coats to homeless during the winter that's "nice" but not leftism, supporting the rights of transsexual capitalists is a nice thing to do, but it's not leftism.

>>6272732
>you're arguing for them to be part of the free market.

No, I'm not. That very attitude is explicitly what I criticised in >>6272525. The left has always been about more than just economics. The fact that I criticise modern leftism for not being concerned enough with economics doesn't mean I disagree with about the other aspects on a fundamental level, only that I disagree with the degree of emphasis.

>>6271729
yes
utter rejection of identity politics

>>6272765
>wants to fight economics inequality

what are you racist or something?

the best way to help minorities (and everyone else) is to have a more equal distribution of wealth, not letting a couple wealthy blacks or transsexuals join the board of directors of IBM or something...

>>6272770
ha ha
thanks for proving my point

Has anyone watched "They Live" or "Class Enemy" (2013)? it's zizek approved www.youtube.com/watch?v=gw_2LWULIdk

>>6272778
>Has anyone watched "They Live"

I watched that with some friends a few years ago. During the famous fight scene, I kept thinking that surely some academic somewhere had written a paper on its symbolism of the power of false consciousness etc. I'd never even heard of Zizek at the time and I felt well vindicated when I found he had indeed mentioned it.

i think the left is just weak and lazy so they pick easy issues like gay rights or illegal immigrant rights, two groups largely supported by the capitalist class...back in the 40s and 50s when the stalinists were fighting racism in the deep south it was seriously dangerous and risk of your life...to fight racism in an age of a black president, hip-hop culture dominating the mainstream and even republicans worshipping MLK fighting racism is very easy and painless thing to do...but start fucking with the profits of the Koch Brothers, Goldman Sachs, etc. and you're life is going to be made difficult. In 2015 fighting racism is not radical, it's fucking safe.

by embracing fragmentation and decentralisation

>>6272778
they live? isn't that some stupid zombie movie where if u put on ur cool dood sunglasses you can see all the suits are actually zombies...woah, hard hitting social critique bro, pass the bong!

Who do you guys think are the important critical theorists the left should listen to today?

Douzinas?
Mouffe & Laclau?
Agamben?
Butler?
Zizek?
Badiou?
Ranciere?
Balibar?
Hardt & Negri?
Vattimo?
etc.

>>6272801
you should study whatever critical theory is required to get your degree so you can get a job working for a capitalist.

>>6272775
Anon I think he was joking

>>6272801
the human resources departments of large corporation love to see classes in gender identity, black history, women's literature, etc. on your resume because they know there is less chance of some harrassment or descrimination lawsuit down the line, so i think any of those can be very useful for climbing the corporate ladder! study them all!

on the other hand if for some weird reason you are interested in socialist revolution then you need to study marx, lenin, stalin and mao.

>>6272778
They Live is classic, saw years ago

We should make "put on the glasses" our "take the red pill" since Zizek wrote about it and >>6272791

>>6272795
Absolutely. The left is now afraid of offending "polite society" as well

>>6272801
We seriously need to make a list. Some cunt tried a few months ago but it was shitty

>>6272809
>human resources departments of large corporation love to see classes in gender identity, black history, women's literature, etc. on your resume because they know there is less chance of some harrassment or descrimination lawsuit down the line

Really? I would have assumed seeing that would be a big 'troublemaker' red flag. Remember Adria Richards? The guy in her photo who got fired found another job almost immediately. AFAIK she hasn't worked in the tech industry since. Who'd hire her?

>>6272806
>>6272809
I'm not sure what you mean, are you saying fuck critical theory?

Critical Theory is highly important today and has already influenced Podemos (Laclau) and Syriza (Gramsci & Poulantzas). Not to mention Alexis Tsiparis and the Greek finance minister Varoufakis have been in contact with Zizek in the past.

>>6272828
I remember

>>6272808
I know
hence the ha ha
but it still perfectly made my point as it parodied the knee-jerk reaction most IPs (see what I did there) would have

>>6272836
>Greek finance minister Varoufakis have been in contact with Zizek in the past.

no wonder the greek economy is such a failure, taking advice from a freudian comedian instead of an economist says a lot about the state of greece

>>6272801
MIM
RAIM
LLCO
Onkwehon:we Rising

>>6272809
this
>>6272828
If you have identity politics crap on your transcript, or lord help you, if you have an actual degree in it, it gets put in a special "do not hire" folder because they know they will face a lawsuit

>>6272864
if any of you fucking losers actually had a job you would know as soon as you get hired you have to spend half your first week watching "anti-discrimination training videos" and doing "anti-harassment assessment quizzes" and shit that have to be completed and sent to HR...it's clear you dudes have never spent a day out of your mom's basement

>>6272719
>Battling for them to have economic opportunity equal to anyone else is, though.
This is why I can no longer consider myself a leftist. Whilst I have a vision of a world free from slavery to capitalists and the consequent brutalisation of the human intellect, I would still want trannies (as well as other degenerates such as muslims and women) to be oppressed and marginalised in it, for their and my own good.

>>6272836

just because you name drop doesn't mean your words hold any weight

>>6272873
personally i just want to see a tranny president, i don't care if the guy who makes my prada shoes gets 50 cents a day, especially since he's probably a hard working latino who's happy to work for those wages!

disengaging leftism and identity politics

>>6272900
yeah! can you just imagine all the sweeping changes that would happen if we could finally get a black man elected as president of the united stat....oh, wait, nevermind, identity politics is a waste of time.

>>6272872
I've directly hired or been part of the hiring process (reviewing resumes, been in the interviews) for over 2 decades and we absolutely ferret out IP people. If they hide it on their resume, we ask outright in the interview, and if they have any identity politics shite, they do not get hired

regular onboarding does include that stuff, but that's pragmatic stuff, not IP "all white straight dudes are evil"

Disengaging from identity politics completely or saving what's worth saving from the spoiled liberals?

>>6272907
cool story dude

>>6272902
yep
I think it's starting
did you see the Patton Oswalt interview in Salon? 'twas cool

>>6272873
>I would still want trannies (as well as other degenerates such as muslims and women) to be oppressed and marginalised in it, for their and my own good.

You're the degeneracy, not transsexuals, or muslims, or wimmin.

>>6272909
wishing doesn't make it come true

seriously, IP on your resume is a career-killer
avoid those classes altogether

>>6272914
it was a parody post. he's obviously one of those leftist who believe as long as there are reality shows about rich minorities on tv then all is well

>>6272799
this only this


centralisation and unity are fundamental to the right, not the left.

>>6272919
well good thing we just happened to have a guy with a 20 years career in HR to sort that out for us! thanks again for your cool story!

>>6272920
yes, i also think that all dumb posts claiming to be made by my political allies are actually satirical posts by my political enemies

because i am smart

>>6272925
wut

>>6272872

That's just standard compliance stuff which has to be done to satisfy insurance requirements. Insurance against the very sort of lawsuits the people we're talking about are among the most likely to file. You know?

>>6272925
>centralisation and unity are fundamental to the right, not the left.

yeah, for the free market to truly flourish we need to break the power of the federal reserve and other large state banks! once there's no central government to force laws against discrimination down our throats finally let the decent white man shall rise again! support state's rights!

>>6272873

Eh, no great loss.

>>6272935
ok, you're getting boring, head back over to your PUA forum buddy

>>6272940
>i do not have an answer for the reasoning you present
>here is a thought-terminating cliche
>good day sir

Good chat.

>>6272940
>>6272927
How's your ass right now GS boy?

>>6272927
you're adorable

>>6272854
damn you're clever

>>6272948
i don't know what GS is, is that some socialist program in old europe?

>>6272900
It would be worth it for the lulz in the short run, but only and especially because I'm not American.

well i have 40 years experience in HR and it's a fact that if you don't have at least one women's studies class on your resume you will be completely unemployable, and i know this from my lifetime of experience working at all the top firms on the planet

I think we should discuss which Critical theories in todays left academia has good ideas >>6272801, instead of these one liner bickerings on identity politics. Let's start with Althusser, yay or nay?

>>6271792
>in China where they already have control of the means of production
top laffin

>>6272147
>The Bourgeois keep all the capital from robot labor for themselves.
>The Proletariat starves to death.
>Only one social class remains.
>Communism achieved.

Alternately humanity gets over the idea that you have to justify your existence by working, and create a massive welfare state resulting in the continuation of the class system.

>>6272962
why do you assume the problem with the left is a lack of ideas? aren't marxists supposed to be materialists?

Well, you need to think about the left in comparison to the available alternatives. What are the other non-left ideologies that are floating around these days? Objectivisim? Libertarianism? Christian fundamentalism? These are the only alternatives I can think of and the left is in better shape than all of them. I guess Islam is a reactionary movement that is gaining ground in some places but eh I don't see that ever gaining much of a foothold in the Americas, it's mainly a problem for Europe and Asia.

Assuming by the left you mean some kind of hardline interpretation of Marxism, then I don't think it will be revived any time soon and I don't think it should be. Although a strong state is a practical necessity, I don't agree with banning private entrepreneurship or having a command economy where production quotas are set by the state. Also, while I think current levels of inequality in the world are excessive, I don't think having some amount of inequality is necessarily bad. I don't think people should be able to make huge sums speculating in the stock market, but I don't think surgeons should be paid the same as dish washers either. There's a happy middle with all these things and it seems like hardline marxists tend to ignore it.

>>6272985
>>The Bourgeois keep all the capital from robot labor for themselves.
>>The Proletariat starves to death.

the problem tho is all value comes from human labor, if you just have robots doing everything out of some nanotech process then nothing will have any more value than an mp3, you can only extract value from humans, if you just have robots build you things for yourself you won't have any surplus

>>6272937
>>6272929
No. Just many more smaller states drawing their power from smaller communities rather than fewer drawing their power from large populations

>>6272995
By value you mean monetary value.