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What matters more, ideas or prose?
Do you think Kafka was a poor writer, but had interestng ideas?

>> No.6236418

Mike Huckabee.

>> No.6236420

I think of ideas and prose interdependent. Quality of writing reveals inspiration and vice versa.

>> No.6236437

>>6236342
>Good art, but not necessarily great art; the distinction between great art and good art depending immediately, as regards literature at all events, not on its form, but on the matter. Thackeray's Esmond, surely, is greater art than Vanity Fair, by the greater dignity of its interests. It is on the quality of the matter it informs or controls, its compass, its variety, its alliance to great ends, or the depth of the note of revolt, or the largeness of hope in it, that the greatness of literary art depends, as The Divine Comedy, Paradise Lost, Les Misérables, The English Bible, are great art. Given the conditions I have tried to explain as constituting good art;—then, if it be devoted further to the increase of men's happiness, to the redemption of the oppressed, or the enlargement of our sympathies with each other, or to such presentment of new or old truth about ourselves and our relation to the world as may ennoble and fortify us in our sojourn here, or immediately, as with Dante, to the glory of God, it will be also great art; if, over and above those qualities I summed up as mind and soul—that colour and mystic perfume, and that reasonable structure, it has something of the soul of humanity in it, and finds its logical, its architectural place, in the great structure of human life.

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>>6236437
>pre-structuralist literary criticism

>> No.6236481

>>6236342
>What matters more, ideas or prose?
prose
>Do you think Kafka was a poor writer, but had interestng ideas?
no

>> No.6236483

>>6236342
Kafka wasn't a poor writer and prose style should express the ideas of the author, so you can't have good prose but bad ideas or vice versa.

>> No.6236489

Both matter, this debate is stupid. Stop making these threads.
Kafka's style is just as good and interesting as his ideas.

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>>6236478
>20th century criticism

>> No.6236497
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>people who read translations think they have an insight on prose

>> No.6236504

If you read Kafka in English and think he's a poor writer you're missing the point.

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>>6236437

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>>6236497
>College undergrad beta orbiter thinking he has an insight on anything in general

>> No.6236872

>>6236860

>monolingual loser who thinks he's read world literature detected