/lit/ - Literature

>>6226722

>>6226732

kek

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nSC4WzS32VY

>>6226736

what a douche

>>6226722
Well, as for the conflict as a whole or the Unionist perspective, I don't know much about. However, if you're interested in the post-war IRA I recommend Richard English's work, the Lost Revolution is a good pop history of the Official IRA, Politics of Illusion by Patterson, Fighting for Ireland? by Smith and Provisional Irish Republicans by White are also good.

Voices from the Grave is a good read. Oral history from a provo and a UVF/PUP fella. They gave interviews to Boston University on the understanding that they'd only be published after they were dead. More gave interviews too, but seems the project is dead now. The Lost Revolution is currently the most complete story of the sticks, Official IRA and SFWP, now the Worker's Party. These two books give interesting account of the immediate origins of the conflict.

Also depends on what kind of understanding you want. You could go to Cedar Lounge Revolution and have a look at their archives. Read Irish Industrial Revolution from the WP, then read the Ripening of Time criticisms, the two-nations ideas of the BICO, etc. There's a lot of documents there produced from within the Troubles.

You could go further back and read Jonathan Bardon's Plantation of Ulster.

>>6226754
>Taig detected

>>6226788

Collins would have kicked his ass if their lives overlapped

>>6226800
Are you drunk?

>>6226800
collins would have signed a sellout treaty with him just like the inheritors of his legacy did

>>6226802

................maybe

>>6226722

Watch "Hunger"

>>6226816
;^)

>>6226850

Loyalist Protestant trolls are the worst trolls

>>6226830
there is some great films on the troubles. hunger, shadow dancer, hidden agenda. loach's wind that shakes the barley is great if you want collins-era history.

>>6226871
We do it for free.

>>6226880

>>6226886

You will never fully understand The Troubles if you're not from Ireland.

>>6226982
Nope, Anglo-mind world wide.

>>6226982

this

>>6226994
That image is pretty disgusting.

Brit here.

>>6227049
>Celt detected

>>6227057
English Brits are Celts in denial. You are an Anglo-saxon norman mutt

>>6226802
>>6226816

Now this is an Irish thread

Though I'm normally not a friend of Catholicism catholics went through a lot of shit in Ireland. It is hard not see the protestants as the "bad guys" given the centuries of oppression and North Ireland polices that help fuel the hate against them.

>>6227088
it's about nationality and identity. it's not really some argument over transubstantiation.

>>6227088

As the other anon said, it was an issue of nationality and Catholicism became representative of the Irish. It wasn't really a religious problem when you got down to it.

You could say the same about radical Islamic groups now. They talk more about politics than Allah in regards to terrorist acts.

>>6227090
This.
No Surrender

>>6227098
>Catholicism became representative of the Irish
What was up with the Irish catholics vs Irish protestants then? In North Ireland it was mostly Irish oppressing Irish.

>>6227088

>viewing an essentially political conflict as an essentially religious one

>>6227122
>Irish oppressing Irish
Here we go.

>>6227122
at this point it's really more about what people "feel" they are, ie. its a broader identity issue, based on the particular community they are encultured into. most in the north who've been there for some generations are a bastard mix planter and gael. but there is one community with a narrative of displacement and recent oppression, and another community whose narrative is that of being under siege from a hostile people with an alien religion, being abandoned/sold out by the government they are loyal to, and a stubborn Israeli-settleresque "what we have we hold" mentality.

>>6227057
No, I'm just a Marxist.

>>6227185

Well said.

I remember walking home from school one day and seeing all the lamp posts down the street adorned with Israeli flags. I think this was around 2009, tensions seemed to be getting high again.

No Brendan Behan in this thread?

This is a literature board y'know.

Ronan Bennett was either involved with the IRA or accused of it as well. I think he's a bloody good writer.

>>6226982
are you joking, most irish people don't have a clue

but you'll never understand moby dick if you've never served on board a 19th century whaler

>>6227957
behan's two autobiographies are up there with roald dahl's as the best i've read. also turned me onto the ragged-trousered philanthropists.

in the north there's the poet nick laird:
>land of the giant
>leylandii and four-bar bitumen fences.
>Of porn mags stashed in blackthorn hedges

and ciaran murphy too, who altho a singer has a crackin way with words.

>>6228062

The Quare Man (or whatever it's called, cba to look it up right now) is pretty explicitly about the troubles as well, it's a darn good play.

Is Borstal Boy autobiography or one of his fictions? Now I'm thinking about it, I haven't read Behan in fucking years. For all I know my memory's fucking with me and I'd think he was shit now.

I think I'll just go listen to something by the Pogues and bluff my way through it.

>>6228073
borstal boy and confessions of an irish rebel are his autobiographies. there's worse ways to pass the time than reading a page or two.

"last night as i slept, i dreamt i met with behan..."

>>6228101

Behan vs. MacGowan after an all-dayer.

Now that would have been a scrap.

>>6228073
The Quare Fellow

If you want to look at one of the most prominent Unionist figures before the shitstorm that happened later in the 60's try this book.

>>6228108
well you will find few people happier to live up to their own stereotypes than the irish

Anything by Tim Pat Coogan (especially his Michael Collins book), John Kelly, or even Bobby Sand's memoir about hiding things in his anal cavity.

>>6228119
"Is it not true that there has been a scandal at the Savoy hotel?"

>England will never be independent
>we'll be stuck with the celts forever

>>6228159
m8 ur gonna be joinin the caliph8 any day now, i wouldn't worry

>>6228159
>Scare the Scots out of voting for independence
>Dump ₤ into the Northern Ireland money pit so it's become a region of welfare leeches
>Not exterminating the Welsh
I have no sympathy.

>>6228159

Stop fucking clinging onto us like an insecure mother and stop indulging your munchausens-by-proxy on us then you fucking shites.

The fucking election was rigged anyway, I'm sure of it. It's like living in fucking Uganda

>>6228125
This.

>>6228073
Borstal Boy is very autobiographical

>>6226768
This, or something about Parnell.