/lit/ - Literature

>>6130315
i'd like to explore that piece of work

>>6130324
Absolutely disgusting

there's a song about this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XLaFLztnL84

I'm a straight guy, but I felt some homosexual thoughts while reading Anna Karenina. Levin and Tolstoy, the perfect male specimens.

>>6130315
Pfft, she merely wrote plathitudes.

>>6130491
Plathetic.

>>6130486
Oh, I feel ya, man.
Who wouldn't go hard for an aristocratic ice-skating ginger beardo with a knack for philosophy and duck-hunting!

Plath is P good

I can't say I've fallen in love with an author, but i definitely get a sense of liking an author and wanting to hang out with them.

I wanted to hang out with Kant really bad when i started reading him. So many questions i wanted to ask candidly.

Plaith is the best looking female writer by default.

[see Harper Lee]

Most fem writers look like cat ladies or that one girl even the desperate guys would friendzone

[See the 50 shades ham]

>>6130315
>find me disgusting and hate my pieces

Yeah but she was a suicidal, vapid whore. She'd probably hate Channing Tatum or who ever the fuck is the 'it' guy right now.

>>6130315
I'm enamoured with Lord Byron. I've never before found myself so attracted to a man, let alone one that's been dead for two hundred years.
Though I have no sexual desires. I simply have an urge to spend vast amounts of time with George and become close with the man. Perhaps gossip about Coleridge behind his back, maybe prank-call Shelley and discuss that time Byron fucked his wife while Percy was at the market.
Who wouldn't want a romantic friendship with a man who kept a bear as a pet?

Alas.

>>6130532


Sure, mate.
Captcha: Totop

>>6130584

Sure, mate.

>>6130584

Too each his own

>>6130589

Alright, got me on that one.

>>6130486
>>6130564

I think if you aren't sexually aroused by them then you're just enamoured with them. Which for a straight guy is really a matter of envy. Not even friendship, as it really all comes back to competition if you are a straight guy. The main drive here seems like you actually want to be them more than anything.

>>6130589
GOOOOD DAMN

>>6130532
my god, she does seem like a cat lady

>implying toxin-coated reproduction objects can write

apparently this qt3.14 nun wrote poetry, not that i ve read it but i ve always been fascinated by this painting ...

Sappho. Take me back in time pls.

>>6130658
>In 1664, aged 12, Juana was sent to live in Mexico City. She asked her mother's permission to disguise herself as a male student so that she could enter the university there.

epic reverse trap

>>6130610
I have an irrational feeling this way with Bob Dylan. Really, I feel like he is the definitive poet of the twentieth century.

>>6130543

>vapid
>whore

Why speak or her like this?

>>6130684
That's because you know absolutely nothing about poetry.

>>6130684

>I feel like he is the definitive poet of the twentieth century.

lol

do you even read

>>6130684
>I feel like he is the definitive poet of the twentieth century.

Latter half, definitely. He's not beating out great stuff, though. You know the field is dying when crap like The Emperor of Ice-Cream is lauded.

>>6130684
Poets =/= lyricist

>>6130694
>>6130699
Take it up with UK's poet laureate.
>Bob Dylan fans all have their own opinions, but for Britain's Poet Laureate, Andrew Motion, 'Visions of Johanna' is simply the best song lyric ever written.
>'He's one of the great artists of the century,' said Motion, who listens to Dylan almost every day.

>>6130699
Present a real refutation, not a list of fucking memes.

>>6130315
Haven't read a ton of her work, but from what I've read of Dickinson, she seems moe.

>>6130705
>Poets =/= lyricist

Actually. The entire field of poetry and the entire history of poets involved music and lyrics--a word which comes from the lyre, a musical instrument associated with poetry.

Good try, though.

>>6130699
>thinks poetry should be read

>>6130708
>that appeal to authority
Dylan is fine but, but as already stated, lyricist and poet are two different things. Motion is shit, anyways.

>>6130719
>hurr they both involve lyrics so they're both the same!!!!
No, chief.
Lyric poetry is not the same thing as musical lyrics.

>>6130694
>>6130699

poorly-read plebeians think they know more about poetry than andrew motion and christopher ricks, smh at the current state of /lit/

>>6130709

>Present a real refutation

i can't you're right poets like rilke, yeats are nothing compared to bob dylan when it comes to poetry any other answer is just a pretentious poser trying to make us smart guys look dumb they are only faking because they are hipsters anon don't listen to them

>>6130739

lol at you deferring to the erudition of another

fucking spoonfed yuppie tourist

>>6130732
>Lyric poetry is not the same thing as musical lyrics.

You can literally just Google this shit, if you're so ignorant.

>For the ancient Greeks, lyric poetry had a precise technical meaning: verse that was accompanied by a lyre, cithara, or barbitos. Because such works were typically sung, it was also known as melic poetry.

Why anyone would say such stupid shit and then bother assigning a name to it is beyond me.

Dylan seems too much like a homefried hick, something makes me think he stole.

>>6130726
In their contemporary form, as institutions, yes. Poetry and lyricism are separated in the way they're written, consumed, and talked about. If, however, we're talking about an elemental poetry and what it should be in society, and to what extent it should interact with its audience, I think ol' Zimmerman's your pick for the 20th century.

I really think the relationship between current people who call themselves poets and the traditional poet in any kind of community is very different. Poetry as itself isn't a talking point, it's not influential. Hell, it's on life support courtesy of academia. From the oral tradition of prehistoric, to classical, to modern society, and everything in between, poetry hasn't been the untouched holy cow our intellectualizing makes it now.

>>6130754
>it's on life support courtesy of academia

So is literature in general.

>>6130532
the OP is the only good looking picture of Plath

no disrespect to her

>>6130750
Here, I'll break it down because you seem to be too slow to understand.

LYRICS DERIVED FROM GREEKS, YES
LYRICAL POETRY AND MUSICAL LYRIC SAME THING, NO
BECUZ HAVING SAME ORIGIN DOES NOT MEAN THEY ARE SAME THING

Better?

>>6130770
explain

>>6130770
Hey, welcome to reality. Listen, here people are only taken seriously if they prove their assertions.

If you can't prove your assertion, you may as well refrain or apologize and drop out. I didn't make the rules, this is just how it is. Don't shoot the messenger.

>>6130589
that's a model who hung around writers in the 50s and wrote a memoir (and book back then that none of her dude buds would read bc lol:( ) i looked it up sometime, that pic is also said to be maria callas, but it's not

>>6130778
>Hey, welcome to reality. Listen, here people are only taken seriously if they prove their assertions.
Dude, that's a pretty Utopian view on reality you have.

>>6130778
In other words you want me to spoonfeed you. Okay.

Musical lyrics:
>the words in a song
Lyrical poetry:
>poetry concerning personal emotions and feelings

You can literally google this stuff.

>>6130543
>hating the 'it' guy

Why is that a problem?

>>6130315
OP's picture...

Ludwig is that you.

Anne Sexton up in this mofo

>>6130780

Dude you are horrible with faces. Look up pictures of Clarice Lispector. It's obviously her in profile on that pic.

Not sure how long her 10/10 window lasted there she probably only stayed that hot for a short time, what with the smoking and all, but at her peak she is yet to be topped.

>>6130794
You know why you don't have a source? It's because when you Google it you find out they're the same.

>>6130826

This is like saying that a legal document and a novel are both technically literature as they both employ grammatical syntax.

Stop posting on this board.

You are too stupid to be posting on this board.

>>6130816
um it's not clarice lispector
http://www.playboyretro.com/alice-denham-playboy-playmate-july-1956/
it's model Alice Denhem

another from that shoot, their faces aren't that alike

I would have loved to share a dinner with Flannery O'Connor or sit on the porch sipping sweet tea while we watch the peacocks roam around her yard.

It's a real shame about the lupus thing.

i had a very big crush on dfw when I was first reading him n for a while after and a little bit of one on zadie smith
I'm a terrible /lit/ cliche
i think my strongest crush atm is on sontag

>>6131336

Fucking hell it is too.

You rotten piece of shit.
You've ruined everything.

>>6131376
life is suffering

>>6130709
do you know what the 20th century is

>>6130647
>yfw she has a husband and kids and is a bestselling author, but you'll never have a gf or get published

>>6131464
i can see her having been hot when she was younger

>>6130543
Confirmed for never having read any plath

/lit/ bae forever

>>6130462
Is there a name for it? Romantic transference probably covers it to a certain degree. I can't help think that what I feel for her might just be that I encounter a lot of my own problems when i read her work that just fuels my projection.

>>6131619

>her prose

lol

>>6130589
Wowaweewah

>>6131619
/lit/erally who

>>6131635

for a contemporary novelist she's a decent prosist

>>6132288

how new can you be?

>>6130315
Karl Ove Knausgaard is probably the closest I've come to falling in love with an author. But after 3600 pages about his life, he becomes a part of you.

>>6130315
Transcendentalism

>>6131627
>>6132521
yeah this

>>6132293
im new because i dont recognize some random nigress?

stay bothered

>>6132535

lurk more
she was even on Time's top 100

>>6132549
>egocentric detected
richard sherman is too

stay rustled

>>6130315

>>6132609
Why is being middle class used a sa put down for female writers so much more than male writers?

>>6132618

Women take money for granted

Source: My female housemate with 3k debt

>>6132636
My male roommate has 170k of debt.

3K is pretty good, though. Do you live in Iowa?

>>6130589
50s/60s tier bra and sweater shit should make a comeback

>>6131619
pretty /fa/ too.

>>6132609
That image is retarded, whoever created it decided to completely gloss over everything that made her writing worthwhile and focus on a bunch of superfluous ENGLISH LITERATURE shit...

>>6132649

Americans aren't the only ones on this website...

I've fallen in love with Shelley (no homo). I weep when I think of his untimely death.

Oh, weep for Adonais—he is dead!
Wake, melancholy Mother, wake and weep!
Yet wherefore? Quench within their burning bed
Thy fiery tears, and let thy loud heart keep
Like his, a mute and uncomplaining sleep;
For he is gone, where all things wise and fair
Descend; oh, dream not that the amorous Deep
Will yet restore him to the vital air;
Death feeds on his mute voice, and laughs at our despair….

;_;

>>6131627
its called a parasocial relationship, you tool

>>6133971
That's uncalled for anon, It wasn't that obvious a question.

>>6134132
>>6133971
Having read up a bit more on parasocial relationships, It's pretty obvious you missed the point.

>>6130315
I want Faulkner to be my dad

This is, to a close approximation, my feeling about Mary Wollstonecraft.

>>6130315
I also adore her (Plath) to bits and pieces. I especially love to listen to her read her poetry on old recordings. I sometimes practice speaking like her when I'm alone, driving. I actually think I'm kind of obsessed with her.

>As i read Plath, i find myself utterly enraptured with her.

Are you sure this isn't some fake, glowing emotion that you have just to tell other people about? I had a classmate long ago who'd read a few lines of Keats, throw her body and head back and shout stuff like, "Oh God! He's so perfect!"

Everything about it was fake shit.

>>6134171
More than anything I wish I could give her a hug and let her know things would be ok. Seriously fuck Ted Hughes.

>>6134183
I have posted in this thread (tho not about Plath) and it's not something I would talk about non-anon, so I'm not sure it can be considered posturing in that way.

>>6134193
Man fuck that shit, Ted Hughes didn't have anything to do with it. Plath killed herself because she was a suicidal depressive.

>>6134183
I'm fairly sure it's not, I've never really felt this way about anyone before, I never had any role models or heroes growing up, it always felt very superfluous. I find her internal monologue of an eerie similitude to my own, and an affinity for her sense of self.
>>6134199
Plath drove two women to suicide consecutively while cheating on them both. He may not have been the only reason but he certainly wasn't a negligible one.
I do however agree with you on your first point, The only reason I made this thread is because it's not something I would feel very comfortable talking about in reality, Although I'm considering bringing it up with my therapist.

>>6134231
sorry Hughes drove two women to suicide*

>>6130532
>implying

>>6130315
Dude, I have the same literary waifu as you.

I developed a bromance with Nietzsche and Herman Hesse

>>6134257
Nietzche was red pilled as fuck, It's easy to find solace in his work.

>>6134235
She often explored the idea of suicide pre-Hughes. Who can really say if he drove her to it? We don't really know what goes through someone's mind when they do such things.

>>6134267
Yeah, she first tried to commit suicide before she met Hughes. Though I wish it could have been prevented, I thought it was interesting how she gassed herself. I think it was in a final display of her empathetic affiliation to Holocaust victims.

>>6134267
Actually we do, While she had a large amount of suicidal ideation before Hughes, Generally the thing that brings someone to follow through is the feeling of no escape, an overwhelming nothingness at the end of a spiraling episode; A feeling of emotional claustrophobia. The treatment for Major Depressive disorder in those days was near barbaric compared to today's standards.

>>6134267

The following lines are about Hughes, no?

>If I’ve killed one man, I’ve killed two--
>The vampire who said he was you
>And drank my blood for a year,
>Seven years, if you want to know.

>>6134281
>>6134267
>>6134235
>>6134231
>>6134193

http://exiledonline.com/sylvia-plaths-son/

>>6134283
>>6134267
I should also point out, One of the problems with suicide is that by the time you start to regret it, it's normally too late. People who have survived jumping of bridges for instance tend to report regret literally the moment they pushed off.

It's been revealed in Plath's history that during her last days she wrote like a tyrant, As if a fire in her heart. She drew a lot of parallels in her resentment of an absent father and her marriage with Hughes.


>>6134288
>I like ted Hughes poems, He lived longer and thus dictated the fiction that was presented 20 years later, so I'm going write a puff piece to ignore and distract from what a massive piece of shit he was.

>>6134193

ted hughes didn't cause her death but uhh still fuck ted hughes
lol hugs don't make someone be not suicidal

>>6134514

>>6134521
y?

i wnt 2 kiss

We still doing hottest writers? I've actually never read this lady's work, but yowza.

>>6130315
I fell in love with James Baldwin in the same way. His way with words just makes me feel all warm and fuzzy inside.

>>6130462
>>6130462
>not "Sylvia" by The Antlers

>>6130780
That's Clarice Lispector, she's a very well respected (though not my kind of stuff) brazilian poet

>>6134778

>>6135050
see below in the thread
dddddebunckeddddd

>>6130315
Plath was a narcissistic cunt who absolutely sucked the life out of everyone in her life. The best thing she ever did was put her head in the oven.

>>6130804
I'd have a ton of sex with her

>>6135057

>>6130754
>Zimmerman's your pick for the 20th century.

I disagree. Pic related.

>>6130766

>>6134249
I want a really sick and twisted masochistic relationship with Donna Tartt. She would make a very cruel heartless monster of a mother who could never love her contemptible son. She could only hurt and humiliate him.

I just want to tell him that he should just get back with Regina.
or I'd let him use his autist dick to fuck me in the boipucci

danmmit /lit/ you made a waifu thread

>>6135544
Except waifus are just glorified fap material, I wouldn't dare do such a thing to Plath. The people just posting attractive writers and screaming "HURR DURR TITS" miss the point of what I was trying to accomplish with the thread.

>>6130684
Music related?