/lit/ - Literature

get off the chans

medication

Adderall

you'll probably grow out of it. Just keep reading as much as you find you're able to

i'm not a doctor obviously, but in my own experience i think most of the symptoms of ADD have to do with maturity and discipline.

when you start taking yourself and your life seriously, you will naturally start wanting to do things with your time that are good for you (like reading books instead of shitposting on 4chan)

you just don't care enough yet, and that's perfectly fine. You're 20. you're still way ahead of schedule.

ritalin, marijuana, or wanting it more

>>6125803
I like ritalin better. I get a pain in by lower back when coming down from adderall. ritilan crash is barely noticable

>>6125981
Do you even know how neurons and receptors work?

ADD medications are over-prescribed, sure, but Adult ADD is a real phenomena

>>6126131
I hope the irony that you've addressed an implicit question of your own design by fault of reading comprehension in another's post isn't lost on you.

Best wishes,
xxx

>posting on /lit/ without being lit

How do you guys get Ritalin or Adderall? (I know it depends on the country you live in.)

>>6126399
it's hard if you're an adult murican

>>6125728
"""ADD""" is mostly caused by never exercising, not by """ADD"""

>>6126403
>"""ADD""" is mostly caused by never exercising, not by """ADD"""

Then how do you explain Harold Bloom?

>>6125981
adhd js a chemical disorder you retard its fixed with drugs. why do dumbasses spread mental illness isn t re al garbage lol

>>6126413
ADHD is fake, though.

>Author Richard Saul said that over the course of his long career, and treatment of patients complaining of problems related to short attention spans and an inability to focus, he’s come to one conclusion: ADHD is only a collection of symptoms, not a disease or disorder in itself. It shouldn’t be listed as a separate disorder in the American Psychiatric Association’s Diagnostic and Statistical Manual, he said, The New York Post reported.

>The number of ADHD diagnoses has increased in recent years simply because doctors are failing to probe deeply enough and question patients about related health matters — and because ADHD has become an embraced, accepted catch-all diagnosis, he said. And more bluntly: Mr. Saul said parents seek an easy way to get their children to sit down and shut up, and the treatments for ADHD — Adderall and Ritalian — do the trick.


http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/jan/6/adhd-fake-disorder-neurologist-turned-author-says/#ixzz3RPjEgscF

>>6126411
>Then how do you explain Harold Bloom?

He's been reading a plethora of books since he was a child. His neurons are hard-coded for it

By exercise I don't mean running, either, I just mean spending time on your feet and doing stuff. Start walking to the store and doing things like that, and you'll find your focus improve

>>6126424

>On his death bed, this psychiatrist pioneer admitted that ADHD is essentially a “fictitious disease,” which means that millions of young children today are being needlessly prescribed severe mind-altering drugs that will set them up for a life of drug addiction and failure.

>As explained by The Sons of Liberty host Bradlee Dean, who also writes for The D.C. Clothesline, ADHD was merely a theory developed by Eisenberg. It was never actually proven to exist as a verifiable disease, despite the fact that Eisenberg and many others profited handsomely from its widespread diagnosis.

http://www.healthcentral.com/adhd/c/268155/162810/add-adhd-fiction-real-disease/#sthash.ufUmVbHz.dpuf

>>6126424
>ADHD is fake, though.
It's not

>>6126413
It is a chemical disorder, but chemical disorders don't always just come from nowhere. Behaviors can fix depression and ADHD, too

>>6126403
>Adult American
What a clever and incisive use of reasoning and wit. Please post again.

>>6126424
It isn't fake.
>ADHD is [...] a collection of symptoms
It's a recent cultural phenomenon, with that I agree.

>>6126447
"Let's pull punches"

>>6125728
Dunno if this will help but when I kicked heroin I found it impossible to read because my eyes would jump around the page so I placed a ruler or piece of paper under each line as I read. I found it helped me to focus not only my eyes but my mind on what I was reading.

>>6126435
It is pure invention.

>Leon Eisenberg took over the management of psychiatry at the prestigious Massachusetts General Hospital in Boston and became one of the most famous psychiatrists in the world. In his last interview, seven months before his death from prostate cancer at the age of 87, he distanced himself from his youthful indiscretion.

>A tall, thin man with glasses and suspenders opened the door to his apartment in Harvard Square in 2009, invited me to the kitchen table, and poured coffee. He said that he never would have thought his discovery would someday become so popular. "ADHD is a prime example of a fabricated disorder," Eisenberg said. "The genetic predisposition to ADHD is completely overrated."

Harvard psychologist Dr. Jerome Kagan:

>SPIEGEL: Experts speak of 5.4 million American children who display the symptoms typical of ADHD. Are you saying that this mental disorder is just an invention?

>Kagan: That's correct; it is an invention. Every child who's not doing well in school is sent to see a pediatrician, and the pediatrician says: "It's ADHD; here's Ritalin." In fact, 90 percent of these 5.4 million kids don't have an abnormal dopamine metabolism. The problem is, if a drug is available to doctors, they'll make the corresponding diagnosis.

http://www.snopes.com/politics/quotes/adhd.asp#GZCzEDgVBmIeTk4E.99

>I find it hard to do things I don't want to do.

So does everyone else, OP. It's not ADD.

Properly used AD(H)D medication is the thinking man's equivalent to HGH and steroids in sports, with similar rates of (ab)use

>>6126477
You haven't even read around that interview successfully; why are you challenging someone else on the internet to read into your miserable mis-reading of the context of "invention". Let alone talking about accounting for the agenda behind the interview, and its publication.

>>6125728
Discipline.
If you force yourself to read at least a half an hour uninterrupted everyday, you'll notice your "ADD" start to fade a bit.

>>6126495
I just now realized that the root of abuse is 'use'.

Is that bad

>>6126507
I hope not, I too only consciously realize things I use in language randomly seemingly many years after I should have realize them

>>6126500
Enlighten me. I'm all ears. I'd love to hear your reasoned facts about my "mistreading of the context", really.


>“ADHD is fraud – intended to justify starting children on a life of drug addiction.”

--Dr. Edward C. Hamlyn, founding member of the Royal College of General Practitioners

>>6126477
cite all you want, but you should judge your sources, retard

Trying to chalk human behavior up to dopamine is a shibboleth of someone who doesn't want to engage in the proper rigor of Modern Neuroscience

>>6126512
Where to begin? In the vapid retrenchment of your argument with the idea that any sort of power configuration automatically carries the weight of the point you believe you're trying to make? Or the fact that the author of the interview has produced an edited transcript in which the term ADHD is abstracted into its actual medical definition, and its political discourse - and that you can't work this out for yourself?

You're so caught up in the epistemology of what constitutes a disorder that you can't see beyond basic discourses. Ironically, you're trying to demonstrate that it isn't a 'valid' 'scientific' disorder, which is even funnier.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15905045

>>6126528
I'm really looking for facts that disprove what I've posted, not paragraphs of syllable-vomit that say nothing at all. Get at it or get out. I'm not interested in self-parody sentences like, " In the vapid retrenchment of your argument with the idea that any sort of power configuration automatically carries the weight of the point you believe you're trying to make?"


>A second world-renowned scientist has come forward to support claims that ADHD is not a real disease, but a description of symptoms. Dr Bruce Perry said most people displayed signs of the condition at some point in their lives. He also said psychostimulant drugs, such as Ritalin, used to treat attention deficit hyperactivity disorder may have long-term adverse effects. It comes after US neurologist Dr Richard Saul claimed ADHD did not exist, in a book serialised by the Daily Mail.


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-2592641/Expert-claims-ADHD-not-real-disease-fits-two-criteria.html#ixzz3RPpfol5n

>>6126542
>I'm really looking for facts that disprove what I've posted, not paragraphs of syllable-vomit that say nothing at all.
"If you can't quantitatively disprove my methodology on my terms then it's not what I want".
I've been troleled.

>>6126542
Oh, oh, yeah, it's not a "real disease", just a set of symptoms

You do realize that success in a field at one time doesn't make someone an authority, right?

Plenty of smart guys get into quackery: http://www.quackwatch.com/01QuackeryRelatedTopics/pauling.html

>>6126542
>Daily Heil

At what age do people's opinions, values, and beliefs become void, /lit/?

>>6126602
>At what age do people's opinions, values, and beliefs become void, /lit/?
Death.

>>6126551
>>6126557
No real responses. Interesting. I guess when you're losing an argument you more or less formed on faith you can just say the other guy's a troll and duck out.

>>6126557
Moving the goalposts and tripfagging? You're a real piece of work. Drop trip. Nobody cares who you are.

>>6126617
>No real responses. Interesting. I guess when you're losing an argument you more or less formed on faith you can just say the other guy's a troll and duck out.

I guess when you're baiting infants with the Daily Mail you can't expect fun.

>>6126624
You can't even present a fact that refutes the Daily Mail. Must feel terrible.

>>6126617
Actually, nobody is posting shit because you're an arrogant asshole and it's not worth our time to treat you nicely in discussion

>>6126637
>You can't even present a fact that refutes the Daily Mail. Must feel terrible.
You just gave one.

>>6126638
>takes the trouble to respond
>says he won't discuss the issue because doesn't want to respond

not even that guy, but you're a stupid stupid faggot

>>6126649
No, I'm not responding to the discussion because it doesn't matter whether he's right or wrong to me. Besides, the evidence for ADHD is a google search away. I'd close the thread but I'd still like to discuss the OP topic

literally the least qualified board to discuss neuropathology