/lit/ - Literature

2666 but I havn't read that many.

Gabriel Marquez and Borges are on my to-read list

>Latin American book
Do you mean written by a Latin American ?

>>6105633
Yes.

>>6105647
Do you think this sort of thinking segregates written works?
Keeps Latin American works in a different section of the book store.
I'd just like to know what you think about it honestly. Not trying to raz you

>>6105695
Well, I think latin american writers (I am latin american) think different than the english, chinese or japanese writers. I only think, in conclusion, the latin american style is by far different of european realism, the french surrealism or the american beat literature.
If you ask me, the hispanic writers make, in general, books than use the fiction with the reality in a magnific way.
The hispanic literature, like our identity, is a mixture of much things by different towns, countries and cultures. That's my way to see our literature.
Sorry for my limited english.

>>6105604
Fuark man, Peter Paramus kicks ass.
> mfw I realized that his son couldn't find him because Pedro had gone to heaven and the rest of the town didn't

In terms of book, Ficciones (J. L. Bogger) is immensely solid.
As a novel, The Tunnel (E. Sábato) was touchy-feely enough to feel human, but paranoid enough for me to like it.
I feel that Cortázar also should be mentioned, but Todos los fuegos el fuego was okayish

me and that book have a history

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>>6106686
>peter paramus

Goddamn Europeans fucking everything up.

>>6105604
This book is a piece of shit. I don't know why /lit/ likes it so much. It's one of the worse books in magic realism I've read.

>>6107058
Because its not stricly magical realism you ass. It's the beginnings of it.

>>6107045
son como los de porrúa poniéndole "carlos marx", "carlos darwin" o "federico nietszche" a sus traducciones ayy

>>6107045
Soy argentino, whitest in the land. I was playing with the title, this being a singaporean anus insertion board.
This was, until you came, started being a faggot and ruined the fun for everyone.

>>6107082
Nicolás maquiavelo

>>6107082
Rayo Bradbury

>>6106789
My Negro.

I didnt expect this.

>>6106686
>Sábato

I can't believe On Heroes and Tombs is out of print in English, it's an amazing book

Tomás Eloy Martínez - La Novela de Perón

>>6106001
>different of European realism, the french surrealism or the american beat literature
You mean because of their magical realism? Is that a predominantly Latin thing ?
Haven't read any of it so I really wouldn't know. Like that Gabriel guy? (I don't know his surname.)

>>6107058
Holy shit, please kill yourself.

>>6105604
I am Latin American, but seriously I could not decide to either a favorite book or author, there are so many books from hispanic authors who are truly astonishing.

>>6108069
woah, i actually can contribute to a /lit/ thread!

so i'm taking a great course on magic(al) realism in a central european context.

First of all, you're thinking of Gabriel Marquez. You should read the Old Man With Enormous Wings. It's a story "for children" (as said in the preface by Marquez himself) and it's interesting not only for the plot, but there's threads of disdain for traditional european values and Euro art/literature. For example, look at the conception of the "angel" within the story. What do you think of when you think of an angel? Probably the European/Romanticism kind of angel, right? Like a Dore etching. But this story has an ugly, old, disgusting old man who just happens to be something like an angel. Not the proud, haughty, angel of perfection we get in many euro works that predate Marquez' writing.

Now to get to is magic realism a latin american genre. Well...mostly. The earliest instance we have of a writer classifying MR is German scholar Franz Roh, who in the 1920s, which predates LA "marvellismo real" by 20 or so years, called the works of german artists like Otto Dix a form of post-expressionism, a magical reality. But the magical realism works in the central european sphere vs the LA sphere some time later, though similar in some ways, are very different.

It's an extremely interesting topic, imo. I find some scholars take on it somewhat revisionist, attempting to attribute the genre (or mode, really, but thats a whole different beast to tackle) to central europe as saying "look, we did it first, its ours". But magic realism feels so uniquely LA that I find it hard to take their approach seriously.

Anyway, read Alejo Carpentier, read Aura by Carlos Fuentes, you could even look at The Nose by Gogol as MR. The rabbit hole goes deep, my friend.

>>6106789
is this good? I'm doing some googling at it says the author "disavowed" it

I'm interested in Latin American history

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>>6108126
No soy a quién estás contestando, pero ¿te gusta el realismo mágico? ¿Por qué?
Te lo pregunto porque hace unos años me mudé a América Latina, y cómo no, leí Cien años de soledad.
Pero no me gustó en absoluto; y supuse que era porque no soy de aquí, y no logro identificarme con el relato; puesto que se supone que también representa el periodo de los golpes y gobiernos populistas (¿o me equivoco?), cosa que a mi no me llega mucho, pese a que me interese la historia de LA.
Además, leyendo otros relatos de realismo mágico, la parte "mágica", me terminaba rompiendo el pacto de verisimilitud del relato entre yo y el texto; como por ejemplo en Cándida Eréndira, que considero que sin la parte mágica podría haberse narrado igual de bien, y que, sobretodo, los ataques a la abuela que no moría, me parecieron bastante "gratuitos" el que tuvieran que ser varios.
En resumen, no me gusta el realismo mágico, y quiero saber si es por gusto mío; o que sencillamente "I don't get it".

>>6108069
If you want to read something from South America that isn't magical realism, you should read "Tinta Roja" by Alberto Fuguet. (Maybe it's translated to english as Red Ink)
And also "Cortos" by the same guy. ("Shorts" in english, I guess)

My patrician recommendation:

Horacio Quiroga

thank me later

The Adventures and Misadventures of Maqroll

Shout out to New York Review of Books for publishing it!

>>6108198
Not that anon but in my opinion magical realism is just the "reality" of latin america.
Many things that sound fantastic are in fact very probable or are things you'd expect to hear as local myths or tales by someone in your family, then the obviously improbable things are just a mix of native + catholic religion mixes that are something inherent to the culture.
I feel it exposes the romantic/poetic/daily life/etc. side to what the upper class or the rest of the (1st world) believes to be simply either boring, or poor, dirty, etc.

I mean, there's this "magical realism" everywhere in the world, but people decided to call it like that for latin america specifically I guess because they are elements overused in latin american literature.

I'm in the "1%" yet I can still relate almost if not completely to many stories... be it thanks to my parents, grandparents, family, cultural context, or even my own experiences... but magical realism is the equivalent maybe to post modernism in north america and other countries where it predominates.

Cien años de soledad has many themes in it, I believe there are more powerful ones for everyone besides the sociopolitical side of it.
Remember that part where the guy is astounded by the ice? that's basically just a description of what our grandparents and theirs experimented, it's a fascinating little tale.
Then there's the romances, the little daily life occurrences, the whole family aspect.
Then there's memoria de mis putas tristes... that scene where the old guy is feeling a lot of joy so he goes to take a ride on his bike, basically going through an epiphany, that I believe is a great passage that can be enjoyed regardless of culture.

Dunno, maybe it's not your thing, or maybe you need to first ease into it with stories that might require less cultural context.

>>6105604
Latin american here.
I never have read any author that really convince me, what i remember is 2deep4u or tryhard shit.

So i keep reading american scifi.

Convince me of read anything written in spanish.

>>6108253
If that's the reality in Latin America, they must feel much more alive and passionate than most of the world. Marquez's novels are so colorful and full of life. I always feel sad after reading his books that reality isn't like his stories.

>>6108220
Thanks, man.
>>6108126
Thanks, man. It's interesting you said
>Old Man With Enormous Wings...a story "for children"
because it seems as though MR and children's movies/cartoons/less so books (something like Rocky and Bullwinkle, maybe) have some striking parallels in their story telling. And it sounds really really off putting, lol but I will check out your recs.
>>6108220
thanks, man.

>>6108198
>leí Cien años de soledad.
>Pero no me gustó en absoluto

no tienes alma, vieja
eso es todo

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>>6108261
100 years of solitude is great. I'd like to read it in spanish some day

>>6108261
>2deep4u or tryhard shit.

what would be these?

>>6105604
Los siete locos by Roberto Arlt


>>6108227
>>6108183

10/10

>>6108284
are you my sister.

>>6108285
I really hope my sibilings don't come to 4chan

>>6108288
Go away Ana, i discover this cantonese cartoon egroup first.

>>6108293
I'm staying, bitch

>>6108261
I started reading 'murican hard sci fi as a kid and completely fell in love with books by marquez and borges when I tried them years later, dunno what you have read though that gave you a bad impression.

>>6108267
I guess that's why we have many americans or europeans retire in latin america, if not already coming very young.
Or go outside and try to get another perspective of your own place, there might be many interesting things there you might be overlooking.
I do miss life in latin america though.

The savage detectives. I also love the hour of the star by Lispector

>>6108253
I don't think is a matter of cultural context, but of attachment.And probably it isn't my thing as you said,
Truth be told I don't remember it that much, so I don't know which bike riding scene you are talking about; but I do remember the whole ice sub-story; and the one that I do remember and the one that I liked was the one about the son who travels around the world and comes back /fit/ as fuck, gets his love life going, etc.
>>6108270
>mfw nunca podré disfrutar Cien años de soledad
Decir que no me gustó en absoluto fue demasiado, algunas de los fragmentos "entre-familia" me gustaron.

>>6108284
I want to add Adán Buenosayres too
damn good book

>>6108275
>solitude

lmao. jesus christ, english a shit.
soledad is also a womans name, so that title has a very feminine weight

>>6108307
solitude is a pretty neat sounding english word, actually

>>6108299
Yeah, savage detectives is probably my most recommended book in the last years, dunno why so few have read it in my hometown.

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>>6108296
Yaaa no se pelien.

>>6108301
Could be, maybe later if you are interested in it again you'll get more of it, but of course there's also no need to force yourself to like magical realism.

>>6108261
>never have read any author that really convince me
>So i keep reading american scifi.

Borges alone does better sci fi than any burgerland sci fi author. also, he does it in a handful of pages, giving you extra time to think about what you read, instead of occupying your time, eyes and brain with a longass and exhausting novel

>>6108325
I'll probably re-read it somewhere along the road, I kinda rushed it the first time anyway.
By the way, any magical realism books that aren't so "magical"? No sé si tuvo mucho sentido.

>>6108318
may sound neat, but doesnt convey what soledad conveys

its like saudade.. you can only read that word in portuguese, theres no translation to it

>>6108348
so what does soledad convey?

anything besides the feminine aspect, I mean

>>6107251
i lol'd

>>6105604
Uno de esos libros que llevare siempre conmigo
</3

>>6108363
>tfw no avellaneda qt

>>6108367
tfw the person that got me into reading and introduced me to the book was my "Tregua". Feels bad mang.

Bitch broke my heart into little pieces.

>>6108338
Borges short stories are a good way to get into it.
It's more "european", international so to speak, it'll have more standard names, places, settings, allusions, etc.
I personally enjoyed A Universal History of Infamy + El Aleph a lot.

>>6108351
I believe he means the double meaning behind it, nothing deep. One is being alone, the other is being with soledad, a feminine figure. So you're alone but you're not at the same time, there's a romantic aspect to being alone, some also see it in a mystical way, some take it in a poetical sense only, solitude being a figure that takes you, is ever watching you, can destroy you, etc. as if it were a woman in your life.

>>6108363
Fuark forgot about this one, good one.

>>6106789
>>6107296
>>6108145

As the author of that book, i am also from Uruguay. i Even knew him a couple times when i worked in a bookstore... i hope the world forgets about him and that silly book. You should read insted Felisberto Hernandez

Very unknown, but definitely a magnum opus

>>6108363
>tfw exgf gifted this to me with a sweet thing written on it

>>6107082
por qué? Si el nombre de Galeano no lo tradujeron
Hubiese sido Edward Galean

>>6106789
>Isabel Allende
Everytime I heard her name the word "Feminism" comes to my mind. I can't avoid hating her.

It was written in french, but the author born in Montevideo. The first glance of surrealism in the history of literature

>>6108395
>>Isabel Allende

no one likes her here in chile. she sold her soul to the gringo. she can burn on the lava lake in hell for all i know.

Of the authors mentioned in the thread Rulfo, Bolaño, Quiroga, and of course Borges are good. Galeano is meh. Cien años de soledad is shit, as is magical realism in general.

>>6108390
>tfw it has been 2 years since that girl.
>been with multiple girls
>can't forget them feels.

>>6108404
>tfw broke up with her 2 days ago

La fiesta del Chivo

>>6108318
It's French actually.

>>6105604
I'm pretty pleb so that would be something from Cortazar. Can't really chose only one between the many stories of him that I liked. But Turn of Day in Eighty World was very interesting as far as I remember.

>>6107082
>Alejo Karamazov
>ALEJO

Casi me hacen dejar el libro

>>6107082
Estifen Rey

:^)

>>6108496
I am sorry. Don't worry, you will look back two years from now, and feel shit about it.

>>6108145
It is an excellent text because it goes into such detail

>print out literature using printers at work master race reporting in

what am i getting into with this? this thing is a fucking behemoth (only printed out the first 100 out of 600? or so); the instructions for reading have piqued interest but seem sort of gimmicky...eh, less trolling and more reading.

>>6109038
arrolajas hacia el techo y lee cada pagina como quieras.
Es lo mismo.

>>6108363

I found an english copy of this in my uni's library but I couldn't get into it - the protagonist was too unlikeable and in depressing circumstances. That shouldn't matter for lit but I'm a bit of a pleb so I dropped it, first drop this year. Should I give it another go? I'm not even sure I can because it may have gone into the damaged section of the library after I returned it. The book was waterdamaged and moldy as all fuck.

I haven't read that much South American literature but I really like Bolano and Rulfo.

>>6108400
Lautreamont was later a character in Cortazar's El Otro Cielo

>>6108402
You might think it's shit but it probably is the most important book in Latin America after the Bible.

Where is the
B R
R literature? Are there no brs here to mention their favorite books?

>>6109038
the instructions are fucking gimmicky. You can read it straightforwardly, page after page, and then you can read it again following the instructions, doesnt change a thing.

>>6109208
A Paixão Segundo G. H., Clarice Lispector
Lavoura Arcaica, Raduan Nassar
Memórias Póstumas de Brás Cubas, Machado de Assis
O Amanuense Belmiro, Cyro dos Anjos
São Bernardo, Graciliano Ramos
O Cobrador, Rubem Fonseca

>>6106789

Read "The Book of Embraces" instead. "Open Veins..." is just silly historical revisionism for trust fund leftists.

>>6105604
I kek'd

>>6108145
yes he did. but the book is still very relevant.

You may disagree with his political views, but the history facts that book contains are awsome.

>>6109038
It's definitely gimmicky by todays standards... Also only the first half of the book is like that, the second half is written like a regular novel.

>>6108338
Try "crónica de una muerte anunciada"

I enjoyed the War of the End of the World by Vargas Llosa. The Green House is sitting on my shelf but haven't gotten around to reading it yet. I liked Savage Detectives and 2666. I also liked The Kingdom of this World by Carpentier. Also have The Chase sitting on my shelf.

>>6108338
>>6110145
Del amor y otros demonios. The magical in this one is minimal. And is an underrated book.

>>6109752
meine schwarzen

>>6107082
Tomás Moro

>>6106789

This book is pure ideology.
Is so far left that doesn't make sense.
Chavez used to name drop this book over and over again. He even gave one copy to Obama.

>>6109697
This.

Perdro Paramo just sucks OP. Read Ficciones, Rayuela, El Juguete Rabioso, Cien Años de Soledad, El Tunel, Abaddon el Exterminador, Bestiario, La Ciudad y los Perros, etc. I really liked La Invencion de Morel too.

>>6110845
Eduardo Galeano, the author, even disowned this book.

>>6105604
Haven't read that many but anything from Julio Cortazar is god tier.

Baleia ;-(

>>6110145
>>6110154
All things gabo