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"Whoever is a complete person does not need to be an authority."

-Max Stirner

>>6101193
pro-tip: diogenes was more powerful than alexander

>>6101193
power is a spook
>>6101204
authority is a spook
>>6101231
Those are spooks.

>>6101249
>implying spooks are necessarily bad

Confirmed for not having read Stirner

>>6101253
>implying I need to read it to understand it.

2spooky4me

simply take it

>>6101193
Power isn't a property to be had, you are immanent to power.

>>6101193
>>6101204
>>6101249
Daily remainder that this man`s critique of stirner destroyed him.

>>6102326
Where were you yesterday?

>>6102326
>An essay full of ad hominems, non-sequiturs and strawmen is destroying someone

Topkek, but yeah, it doesn't surprise me that a Leftist thinks personal attacks and logical inconsistency is how you destroy someone in a debate.

>>6102326
Daily reminder that this man's critique of Stirner is the only reason anyone knows about Stirner.

>>6101193

The seed of power is the willingness to trample upon others in support of your will.

Power is the act of trampling on others in support of your will.

Try Satan.

>>6102326
>destroyed
It's called dialogue, Jesus.

>>6102376
Daily reminder that the only reason Marx turned to materialism was because of Stirner.

Daily reminder that we need more daily reminders because our ADHD memory is totally fucked up.
spoiler]Our souls need to get closer to those fat juicy Ideas again.[/spoiler]

>>6102452
it's when we finally become apes again that we merge with the Idea. Apes with a vague and distant memory.

It's relevant anyway?

If you have money you have adquisition power

I think you don't need anything more in the contemporary world

>>6102479
Money isn't the whole story. You need other capitals (cultural, social) to transform that money into anything.

>>6102488

I meant, in the individual level, if you have money you can live a very easy life, you will have food, shelter, and health.

You may crave some social companionship (since power becomes useful only in relationships), but i would trade everyday that social companionship for the comforts of the above

>>6102494
Yeah, but then we're not talking about power but survival.
I get what you meant though. Money can easily get you more of other types of capital anyway, if you have some of the latter already to built upon.

>>6102407
I don't think that's true. Power is relative to situations. You have power over a technical problems if you can solve them. You can have power in social situations in a variety of ways. The crudest is indeed to "trample over" people like a mugger, but you can also exercise power by influence, which can be benign and indeed beneficial to those influenced. If you think a parent having "power" and "authority" over a naive child is wrong, I'm sorry but you're a moran.

>>6102479
Money isn't power. It can facilitate power but it isn't the thing in itself. If you have a billion dollars, and you're dominated by your henpecking wife who controls everything in your life, you're still powerless.

>>6102516

But those struggles are meaningless in the end

You get what you sought, most people want comfort and the well being, being powerful is just a mean to those ends.

I guess most people wouldn't want to become powerful if they had to go through thousands of pain and suffering for it, just because it's not the primary thing. Unless you have another struggle, but that struggle has to have the attribute of something eternal, or else it's still something related to YOUR well being

>>6102536

My point is that power is sought as something eternal rather than secular, because the secular power is meaningless if it isn't related to your wellbeing or comfort

>>6101359
guess what faggot.

human nature

>>6101359
guess what faggot, I can disprove all of your post structuralism with just one word

Human nature

>>6102536
What?

I think that seems a little bit silly.

The vast majority of psychologists say that social factors are more important to your well being than money, once you're past the level where your basic needs are met.

Money can only get you things that are available on markets, it can't get you anything in the realm of higher psychological or physical well being.

You can buy a gold-digging wife with money, but you can't buy a relationship that's actually worth having, or a mother who will actually raise your kids well. You can only obtain these things through your higher level personal qualities that help you make decisions and make you a lovable or fearsome person (that is, power plus judgment).

The ethos you're advocating seems to ultimately end in the idea that money is worth anything. Eating shit, getting your balls chopped off, being assfucked on primetime TV, etc, for money, makes you quite the opposite of powerful. Being a wealthy prostitute isn't power.

Maybe take a look at Maslow's Hierarchy of Needs.

>>6102555
It's not a thing though. You don't have to be a structuralist to realize that, just anyone who isn't a weird moral aesthetic.

>>6102376
>not knowing about junger, gide, novatore etc

>you can't buy a relationship that's actually worth having

>mother who will actually raise your kids wel

But anon, those things depends on your opinion and ideology at the end, not society not even destiny will bring you those things if you are an insufferable faggot

In the other end, money will bring you practical things about things you MUST have to survive outside of your opinion (shelter, food, free time, etc.)

Power is something you have and give, not something you take.

>>6102570
>wasting time with pisspoor moral aesthetes.

>>6102562

i can sense your strawman's

>>6102555
>human nature

>>6102494
only the last man would be fool enough to believe the easy life is the powerful one

>>6102562
you aren't talking about power, though. I think what you're pitching upon is happiness, which is not requisite or necessarily predicated by power. same relationship exists between power and your vague (and authoritatively appealed) notion of "well-being"

>>6102585

Just ask you why you want a powerful life in a sincere state and see how you go back again to what i say

Powerful at it's best it's in the political sphere, and even that isn't really "powerful", you can easily get killed by intrigue or something

Powerful in the physical state is something related to your environment and your able-force, outside of that it's meaningless

Powerful in the relationship sense, it's always with someone else, always enslaved with the being of someone else.

It's all related at the end with YOUR well being, so it's pointless to gain something related to others if you can gain the same related with you (aka money and contemporary comforts)

>>6102598
Yeah I think any notion of self-actualization that doesn't include the power process is a bit dubious. Self actualization without agency? Self actualization while being involuntarily subordinate? I really doubt it man.

>>6102555
>human nature
What you call human nature is just a pattern that was learned not inherent.

>>6102658

A pattern forged by thousands of years

Doesn't make it less real doesn't it?

Take in account that it may take the double of years to change it by indoctrination if you want to. And that if you really have a way to do it.

>>6102714
>A pattern forged by thousands of years
>Doesn't make it less real doesn't it?

Well, yes, that does make it less real.

>>6102732

If you are searching for things that don't happen as real, then you are searching for anything, at all.

>>6101193
You just gotta declare and maintain that you are the one in charge, so long as you can take and defend what you claim.

>>6102658
Proof?

>>6102658
It's a combination of learned stuff and genetic stuff, fggt.

first you get the money, then you get the power, then you get the woman

Why do you faggots always conflate Stirner and Nietzsche?

Le ghost man is far less edgy

>>6103139
Because they are projecting their own shallow liberal egoism onto them, not having any knowledge of philosophy before and after them.

>>6103136
Way to get in trouble for a bitch man. Just get her to a movie.

>>6103025
>>6102714
>forged

>>6101231
Hahaha.

No.

>>6103022
most honest post itt tbh

almost free of ideology

>>6103025
http://www.newdemocracyworld.org/culture/human_nature_print.html

Also fractions of an anarchist anthropology

>>6103872
>almost free of ideology
Lol, that's because it is so empty and formalized, like Kant's categorical imperative.
It doesn't mean much when it comes to applying it, though there is a very specific ideology behind it, of course.