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>>6069797

>nihilism.jpeg

Thisssss...

>>6070769
Harris should seriously read some Nietzsche to see how close he actually is to Christianity. Or just get some knowledge about Christianity is in general.
At the moment he's just fighting cartoon characters, using values that his "opponent" produced in the first place.

>>6070876
Holy crap those breasts are the work of an artisan.

>>6070829
New Atheists don't actually know what they're talking about. That's why we call them New Atheists.

;^ )

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>>6070769
the question is why god would bother with the stupid bullshit of whining humans

>>6069797
>he thinks modern ethics and laws are based from religion

>>6070900
MAH NIGGA.

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>>6071048
More like I think that ethics consist in becoming a god.

l2hermenistic philosophy

>>6070924
I fucking love these.

>>6071033
This

>>6071033

are you for real? are we speaking about the same christian god?

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ethical just b urself

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>>6071033
Why wouldn't he? Its not like its too much for him to manage. It would require basically no effort and while not significant in terms scale of the universe its is an interesting phenomenon of nature. The human brain is the most complicated thing in the universe and the only thing that would rival would be brain from another sentient species

>>6071033
This is why I find the Jewish perspective that God is not at humanity's beck and call refreshing.

>In contrast to many contemporary Jewish philosophers, the holocaust merits barely a mention in Leibowitz's philosophical writings, other than to dismiss it from theological discussion. A thoroughgoing commitment to transcendence cannot allow for a God who is involved in human affairs. Those who would question, indeed those who lost their faith in God as a result of Auschwitz “never believed in God but in God's help… [for] one who believes in God … does not relate this to belief in God's help”

>>6071476
There's an old joke regarding that it goes something like " a meeting or religious Jews in a concentration camp were discussing their situation and one man said "this is gods fault how could he let this happen to his chosen people" they voted and all agreed this was gods fault and right after they decided so, one man reminded them that it was prayer time and they all stopped their discussion and started their morning prayers"

>>6071033
>believing a god that doesn't give a shit about you
>worshipping that god
>believing that god cared enough to create you

>>6071529
>I only believe in something if it benefits me in some way, not whether it's true or not

>>6071573

Now you brought us to the tired old point of religion discussions on the subject of evidence. I don't want you to see you in my /lit/ threads again, you hear me? I will summon every gif of a girl laughing at you possible if I must

>>6071599
Sounds like you got cut deep bruh.

>>6071573
People who worship that kind of god all had drunken, abusive fathers. Only way such a warped idea of authority could develop.

But my parents loved me so I guess its not my problem :)

>>6071649
It's not your fault.

>>6071662
Don't do this to Me man

>>6070877
if children could speak they would be the most intelligent among us.

>>6070874
this pic is somehow percent for stirner

>>6070887
sometimes i wonder if having a "vision quest" or some sort of psychedelic experience in nature might be beneficial. some people who have it (no hippi) seem to say it did a lot for them to allow them to become excited for their own life.

>>6071448
felt so bad for this guy

>>6071141
please link

>>6069797
Chill

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>>6070897
>New Atheists don't actually know what they're talking about. That's why we call them New Atheists.
That quote is a reworking of Epicurus' dictum on the subject. OLD atheism.

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>>6071826
Well whoops. "One Image"
On a literature board

>>6070863
I've never even played Skyrim but sometimes these screencaps are great.

>>6069823
I'd want to see Winston Rowntree illustrate this.

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>>6069797
Fuck empiricism.

>>6071033
I wrote a (shitty) story about this once, where a man cursed God because he was diagnosed with cancer, and then God came down and stared bitching about having to run the entire goddamn universe and not having time for his dumb shit.
>"Do you like not suddenly walking into a wall of antimatter and vanishing into horrifying nonexistance? Do you like your eyes not spontaneously turning into black holes? Well you're welcome! You're welcome for all of that!"
If God is really like this, I would in no way be mad, I understand and indeed root for this God, just trying desperately to make it all work.
The problem is religions have hyped up God to much, and say that he's perfect and can do anything and is all loving etc etc, because no one wants to have an imperfect deity they worship, and that causes a lot of problems.

>>6072003
>See the Simpson overbite as a chin. Mustache becomes lips

>>6070887
my sides

I agree totally with this ethics.

>>6071936
Also with this. It's also related to the first one, I think.

>>6071033
He createds us so he has responsibility. Do you support a farther neglecting or abusing his children

>>6070897

All of the New Atheists are either media personalities or they are scientists. It's one thing to give your scientific reasons for not believing in the existence of God. It's another thing entirely to pull apart doctrine that you have only a passing familiarity with.

>>6071573
Kind of like how so many Saints are acknowledged by Christians specifically for the sake of self-benefit.
>who that calleth meekly to S. Rocke he shall not be hurt with any hurt of pestilence.
Surely not an element of paganism that got passed on to Christianity or anything, no surely not the religion about self-denial.

>>6072467
>He createds us so he has responsibility.
No anon it's our fault.
We are the flock that strayed from the shepherd.

>>6069797
Do as you will.

>>6072456
You should probably kill yourself if you're this boring.

>>6069797
This one pretty much sums up my sentiments.

>>6070769
Actually that's pretty much what the Book of Job says. Sometimes, inexplicably bad things happen to good people, and that's just the way God works.

>>6071204
I'm not a Christian, but I really like that painting. It shows Jesus suffering in a very human way. Anyone can empathise with that.

pic related

>>6072495
i dont mind Russell but this one is so stupid. its basically saying 'im a mellow spineless cunt who wont risk acting out on his believes because you cant know nuffin"

>>6072538

What's wrong with that? Dying for your beliefs is fucking stupid. Especially if you're an atheist philosopher. What is there to die for?

>>6072543
No its not. It takes balls to die for something you believe in and it also proves that you did actually believe in it and didnt just run your mouth for attention.

>>6072538
>not being a fallibilist
>dying for 'beliefs'

>>6070887
Fuck mushrooms, hit the cacti.

>>6072552
That's a virtuous principle to live by in any other context but this.

>>6071936
>Fuck empiricism.

it just werks

>>6072538
>'im a mellow spineless cunt who wont risk acting out on his believes because you cant know nuffin"

I knew that quote would get a reply like this.

You have the hidden assumption that being certain of yourself is a fundamentally good characteristic.

What I take from the quote is that being dogmatic to the point of sacrificing your life for the dogma is pointless.

>>6072552
Bertrand wasn't concerned with "balls" he was concerned with what is correct. You value the virtue of being brave over being intelectually rigorous to the point of accepting your fallibility. Which you are totally entitled to do, but personally I'm on the side of Russel.

>>6072543
>Especially if you're an atheist philosopher. What is there to die for?
I can think of a lot of a lot of reason other atheist philosophers would die for certain beliefs. I don't think it's just because he's and atheist and a philosopher that Bertrand had that opinion.

>>6072552

Yeah, dying sure is fucking noble. Martyrdom is a nice idea and stories of saints dying for their beliefs are inspiring and all, but it doesn't prove shit. In the end, you aren't right. You're just dead.

>>6072562
>I can think of a lot of a lot of reason other atheist philosophers would die for certain beliefs. I don't think it's just because he's and atheist and a philosopher that Bertrand had that opinion.

Like what? He's a philosopher. He took action on things outside of simply writing about it, but in the end, he's still a philosopher. He's an academic. What benefit would dying have?

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>>6072572
I think you've misunderstood me. All I meant was that it was Bertrand's particular philosophy that meant he wouldn't die for his beliefs. Not just the fact that he was a philosopher and and atheist. And I agree with his philosophy.

>>6072581

I think you misunderstood me. I said "especially" if you are an atheist philosopher. Not that that was the sole reason one wouldn't die for their beliefs.

>>6071600
seconded

Are utilitarian ethics good for society?

>>6072613

They are the only ethics that are good for society.

>>6072621
>what is legalism

>>6072634

A pile of shit.

>>6072641
nice ad hominem

>>6072647

Living in what is essentially a dictatorship in 2015 is retarded. What real world application does legalism have in 2015?

>>6072538
You remind me of the poem Dulce Et Decorum Est.

>>6072653
Order and security.

>>6072658

Go to bed, Mussolini

>>6072489
I doubt you could actually support that argument in a court room, that's not how guilt of crime is determines unless you follow bronze age law systems.

>>6072598
Oh ok. Yeah, I guess that would increase your tendancy to not die for beliefs.

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>>6072696
I think I've arrived at the conclusion that if your outlook can be summarised by a logo, you're doing it wrong.
Even if that's one of the less shitier ones.

>>6069797
Why? You already did.

>>6072014
yeah same here

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>>6071573
>Perfectly complete being that doesn't give a shit about humans makes humans
>True

I realised I don't even have a very built up idea about ethics.
I guess I'd be more interesting in asking why we have ethics, than what kind of ethics we should have...
I don't know.

>>6071962
my nigga
Takashi Murakami is GOAT

>>6073004
recneckcore

>>6072467
He has no responsibility to adult-aged, 65,000-year-old children, you entitled cunt.

>>6071032
>bit off his own fingers when a doctor refused to amputate them
Fuck that's hardcore.

>>6073202

Except he's a faggot hack that doesn't produce his own artwork.

*tipping intensifies*

>>6073367
That pic is SOOOO random

lol

>>6073367
>tfw no qt.3,14 boipixie

>>6070829
>compassion is inherently christian muh nietzsche sam harris shouldn't even debate christians he is one LOL slave morality tho amirite
Fuck off.

>>6070897
This doesn't even make sense.

>>6072495
But wait, let's take a closer look.

Are you willing to die for that belief?

>>6072552
you know who dies for their beliefs?
terrorists

>>6071600
I was just thinking about posting something similar when I saw your post

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>>6072657
my favorite poem.

>>6072696
i am with this.
>>6072987
but even moreso with this.

>>6072987
>>6073538
Ethics and outlook are two different things. Besides, the logo I used doesn't refer to one particular thing only and can be interpreted in many ways and ethically "used" regarding many topics.
You can also say that summarizing your ethics in not only a logo, but in one picture/phrase, except something utterly large like "don't be an asshole" or pic related, is way too restrictive anyway, but that's how the thread was formulated, and that's the closest I had in hand

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>>6073538
That's pretty much exactly what this thread is about though.

It's just not very serious.

the only philosophy Ill ever need

>>6071982

i like how the sun in this painting is just looking like hes not really happy with that that guys up to but its really not his concern.

>>6072552
>dead guy with the biggest balls.

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>>6076498
That's touching anon, honestly have never seen this pic. I cried.

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>>6072647
>shit is not shit

>>6070924
That old man was ALBERT EINSTEIN

>>6069797
>hurr durr religion is the only thing that keeps me from going on a bloody rampage
>implying that the stomach for a bloody rampage was there from the beginning

>>6071848
>tfw no sphinx gf

>>6076498
>Catholic missions
No thanks

>>6076498
Teresa was a cunt.

>>6069797
7 deadly slns be my ethics.

>>6073462
>Are you willing to die for that belief?
No

>>6073507
Pic related

>>6071491
lel this makes no sense. edgy much?

>>6073179
>I guess I'd be more interesting in asking why we have ethics, than what kind of ethics we should have...
Same here. Finding out why ethics and morals even exist in human society is much more interesting to me.

>>6071848
ITS A HUMAN BEEN

ethos:

>>6071848
>not playing Pokemon competitively

>>6072987
✞

>>6071448
When I think of this, I can only feel rage.

>>6072494

Too much work

>>6076453
Funny thing is, the author of this strip does this to himself by thinking that he's the only one conscious about this situation.
My sentence makes no sense but hopefully someone will understand

>>6076852

Don't worry, we all know XKCD is shit.

>>6076852
He is the contrarian of contrarians, because he needs to feel more special because there is too much people that feel special already.

>>6076498
that kid has hands why dont she just let him eat.

>>6076519
That's the stupidest fucking picture. If you knew anything about Lenin, you would know that he specifically wanted Stalin NOT to become the leader of the Bolsheviks.

>>6077229
it's stalinist propaganda. what did you expect?

>>6077225
Agreed.

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>>6077225
Well agreed in the sense that the current form of human civilization is detrimental to the planet, there could theoretically be a beneficial, well-functioning paradigm if it were structured correctly.

>>6078400

>paradigm

Why aren't you doing your Cultural Studies homework?

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>>6078412

Maybe you should buy yourself a dictionary, Cletus, so you can talk to the grown ups like a grown up yourself.

>>6080351
This is something I've spent a lot of time contemplating.

>>6080351
>Hating on people for caring about themselves

>>6080351
Stirner thought people were egoistic, yet he said he loved people and joy in others gave him joy.

>>6077193
he's too weak to hold the fork you idiot
>can't into famine

>>6080465
nothing like piles to make you feel alive

Lord make me an instrument of your peace; where there is hatred,
let me sow love; where there is injury, pardon; where there is doubt,
faith; where there is despair, hope; where there is darkness, light;
and where there is sadness, joy.
O Divine Master, grant that I may not so much seek to be consoled,
as to console; to be understood, as to understand; to be loved, as to
love. For it is in giving that we receive, it is in pardoning that we are
pardoned, and it is in dying that we are born to eternal life. Amen.

>>6077193
And ruin the photo op?

>>6080495
didn't he think they were involuntary egoists? How does own recognize their egotism?

>>6082475
>How does own recognize their egotism?

Stirner position was inconsistent on what counted as egotism. He rejected rationality, so you shouldn't expect one answer to this question.

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>>6073202
Why would your favorite artist be a glorified wallpaper designer?

>>6073004
I always thought this was the name of a ska punk band

>>6072504
>Implying Harris has ever bothered to read the bible

>>6071476
Do you have a source for that greentext? Sounds interesting?

>>6071970
I've also felt an impersonal deity was an interesting solution to that problem as well.

>>6071032
English people are fucking scary. You can still see that shit in them.

>>6072020
What book is this? I remember it was a meme here a couple of years ago.

>>6072014
I laughed much more than I probably should have.

>>6078533
hey, it's beksinski!

>>6084863
people always tell me i look like jesus

>>6072538
template plox

>>6073607
>know the truth
real fucking helpful

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