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Abstract objects: N/A
Aesthetic value: objective
Analytic-synthetic distinction: yes
External world: non-skeptical realism
Free will: compatibilism
God: atheism
Knowledge: both
Mind: N/A
Normative ethics: consequentialism
Politics: N/A

>Abstract objects
other: nominalism, potentialities that are actualized in speech, action, and qualities of character
>Aesthetic value
other: inner-social and inter-subjective categories
>Analytic-synthetic distinction
yes, nominally
>External world
non-skeptical realism
>Free will
other: skepticism about classical deterministic thought
>God
other: aesthetic category
>Knowledge
other: dialectics
>Mind
other: skepticism about the possibility of an epistemology
>Normative ethics
virtue ethics, emergent inter-subjective justice
>Politics
other: constructivism, philanthropy

>>6069992
Abstract objects: Platonism
Aesthetic value: other
Analytic-synthetic distinction: yes
External world: non-skeptical realism
Free will: compatibilism
God: atheism, theism
Knowledge: other
Mind: physicalism
Normative ethics: virtue ethics
Politics: other

>>6070027
>Aesthetic value: objective

Explain how.

Question: While moral truths can't be deduced by reason (is-ought problem), how is relativism not self-refuting? If propositions are true or false only from a subject's own perspective, can't relativism be seen as false, and rejected?

>>6069992
>Abstract objects:
n/a
>Aesthetic value:
Radical Skeptecism
>Analytic-synthetic distinction:
no
>External world:
Pragmatism
>Free will:
Other: free will and determinism are unsustainable propositions
>God:
Agnostism
>Knowledge:
Pragmatic Positivism
>Mind:
Phenomenology
>Normative ethics:
Egotism
>Politics:
Democratic Cosmopolitanism

>>6070092
>Question: While moral truths can't be deduced by reason (is-ought problem), how is relativism not self-refuting? If propositions are true or false only from a subject's own perspective, can't relativism be seen as false, and rejected?

Relativism is not a moral conclusion. It's an epistemic one.

>>6070092

I think you're attacking a strawman. Any consistent relativist position would state that there just simply aren't true or false statements about morality.

>>6069992
Abstract objects: other
Aesthetic value: other
Analytic-synthetic distinction: no
External world: non-skeptical realism
Free will: compatibilism
God: other
Knowledge: other
Mind: other
Normative ethics: other
Politics: marxist/communitarianism

Hard to pigeon hole views like this. I basically get most of my answers to analytic philosophical questions from Wittgenstein, and that's 'other' for most of these questions.

>>6070092
Relativism is first a description, e.g., "moral norms differ from context to context" (usually cultural context).

>>6070114

>>6070127
woops.

meant to quote >>6070114 and say that relativism doesn't necessarily state that there aren't true or false statements about morality, they would just say that these statements are context-sensitive.

>>6070108
>>6070114
>>6070127
>>6070133
thank you friendly /phil/ anons

>>6069992
Abstract objects: platonism
Aesthetic value: objective that we try to subjectivity deduce
External world: non sceptical realism
Free will: compatibleism
God: theist
Knowledge: empiricism and rationalism
Mind: dualism
Normative ethics: virtue ethics
Politics: constitutional monarchist

>>6070098
Abstract objects: no idea
Aesthetic value: subjective
Analytic-synthetic distinction: ???
External world: buddhism
Free will: kamma
God: agnostic
Knowledge: Buddhist epistemology
Mind: Buddhist not-self doctrine
Normative ethics: buddhism
Politics: anarchism

>>6070133

Yeah but if they do assert that statements about morality are either true or false they run into the problem that you pointed out.

I don't believe I've ever met any relativists who were not also non-realists but maybe such confused people do exist.

>>6069992

Abstract objects: Platonism
Aesthetic value: objective in some cases
Analytic-synthetic distinction: yes
External world: realism
Free will: N/A
God: atheism
Knowledge: Other, empirical rationalism
Mind: physicalism
Normative ethics: consequentialism
Politics: N/A

>>6069992
Platonic subjective-exclusionary and anti-distinctive skeptic with causal areligious empirical views founded in physical anethical elitism

>>6070157
You are lending far too much credence to physical objectivity when you speak of realism.

Think of a moral constructivist theory like a social contract.

Suppose that social contract contains "do not murder". In order for murder to be wrong on the contract, does there need to be a stone tablet floating around somewhere in the universe that says "do not murder"?

You ask people in that social contract, "Why is murder wrong?" They tell you that "murder is wrong because we said so." You further ask, "Isn't that completely arbitrary or subjective?" They tell you that "it's not completely arbitrary-- I value a comfortable life and I don't want to die."

You ask, "But how do you convince somebody who doesn't value comfortable life not to murder?" They say, "well, we first show them that maybe they haven't tried living comfortably, so they know only their own side of the question, and that they can join us in living comfortably if they agree not to murder. Alternately, we point them to our laws: if we catch somebody plotting, attempting, or committing murder, we imprison them to the best of our ability for the rest of their life."

You see, people can be realists about constructed morality. This can be true even if you were to show them some other contract in some other society that radically differs from that of their own. And if you think that truth is a quality of statements, rather than a quality of objects, you can say "murder is wrong in this society, objectively speaking."

Finally, these societies can produce objects that might satisfy reason. They might point to flourishing community, or agriculture, or economy, or education, or arts as objects produced by their contract. They might look at some other society without social contract that is perishing by comparison and say, "look, they are murdering each other, everybody is living in fear, and their economy is plummeting. Based on these objects, which society would you rather live in, objectively speaking?"

Abstract objects: I don't think any abstract concept has any objective or intrinsic value.

Aesthetic value: Subjective

Analytic-synthetic distinction: My head hurts.

External world: I guess I can't say with certainty that an external world exists. For all I know, I'm dreaming the whole thing up.

Free will: Determinism. I would imagine even the human brain is bound to the same causal processes that drive the rest of the universe.

God: Atheism, although I wouldn't say that as a matter of certainty. I guess agnosticism may be the correct way to label it. I wouldn't outright preclude any possibility of there being an afterlife or any supernatural phenomena - there's just no compelling reason to believe there is.

Knowledge: Don't both conventional reasoning skills and personal experience play a role in shaping our understanding of the world?

Mind: Are you asking me if I believe my mind exists? At the very least, I know my mind / consciousness exists in some form or another, whether real or virtual. It doesn't actually matter to me whether I'm made up of atoms or binary code.

Normative ethics: Not sure how to answer. Don't ethics qualify as abstract objects? I don't follow any rigid set of ethics, but I'll work within any ethical system that benefits whatever agenda I may have. I have no problem bending of breaking ethics.

Politics: Egoist anarchism, following any major catastrophe or war that renders any planned continuity of government ineffectual. I don't care for any sense of collectivism. I will make my own way. Take what you can and try to survive the best you can.

>>6070401
are you by any chance an undergrad?

>>6069992
>Abstract objects: Platonism
>Aesthetic value: Objective
>Analytic-synthetic distinction: Yes
>External world: Realist
>Free will: Ultimately the deity could take away my free will, but he sustains that I do in fact have it to a certain degree.
>God: Theism
>Knowledge: Rationalism
>Mind: Aristotelean Substance Theory, the soul is united with the body in a complex unity, and most of it's functions are integrated with the body. We are not ghosts in a material shell, though some aspects of our substances may be separable from the body, like nous.
>Normative ethics: Virtue ethics and Divine Voluntarism.
>Politics: Monarchism

>>6069992

All you offer are dichotomies while all the answers deserve nuances.

Results so far.

I will update the table in due time.

>>6069992
>Abtract Objects: realm of perfect ides, that is below heaven in the hierarchy
>Aesthetic value: objective according to place and birth of producer of said art, thus relativist on a grand scale
>Analytical-synthetic distinction: don't know what that is, might be a different termin in my own language
>External world: subjective idealism
>Free will: Libertarianism
>God: theism
>Knowledge: idealism
>Mind: don't know
>Normative ethics: historicist relativism + catholic guilt as consequence
>Politics: aesthetic monarchy

>>6069992
>abstract objects: Platonism
>Aesthetic value: objective
>Analytic-synthetic distinction: yes
>External world: idealism
>Free will: no free will
>God: N/A
>Knowledge: empiricism
>Mind: physicalism
>Normative ethics: consequentialism
>Politics: communitarianism

>>6069992
Abstract objects: Platonism
Aesthetic value: subjective
Analytic-synthetic distinction: yes
External world: idealism
Free will: compatibilism
God: other
Knowledge: other
Mind: non-physicalism
Normative ethics: N/A
Politics: libertarianism

>>6072479
>>External world: idealism
>>Mind: physicalism
wat

>>6069992
i would honestly love to hear this album

Abstract objects: N/A
Aesthetic value: N/A
Analytic-synthetic distinction: no
External world: non-skeptical realism
Free will: no free will
God: atheism
Knowledge: N/A
Mind: physicalism
Normative ethics: consequentialism
Politics: largely a utilitarian/libertarian hybrid

Abstract objects: Nominalism
Aesthetic value: Objective
Analytic-synthetic distinction: Yes
External world: Non-skeptical realism
Free will: compatibilism
God: atheism
Knowledge: N/A
Mind: physicalism
Normative ethics: deontology
Politics: Communitarianism

Although I want to state that my answers to the aesthetic value, free will, and politics questions come with qualifiers and reservations attached. But those are the closest accurate answers.

Abstract objects: Platonism
Aesthetic value: Subjective
Analytic-synthetic distinction: Yes
External world: Skepticism
Free will: Compatibilism
God: Agnosticism
Knowledge: Rationalism
Mind: Physicalism
Normative ethics: Pragmaticism
Politics: Global-socialism