/lit/ - Literature

>>6069886
>/lit/ loves to defend modern art
When?

>>6069906

Last thread everyone came to the defense of painters using excrement as paint.

>>6069914
Ah well postmodernism breaking bounds blah blah ect.

>>6069914
I don't see the problem with that.

I do see a problem with people who think art = good; I also see a problem with people who think they're the arbiter of what is/isn't art due to emotional reasoning.

LOL


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wRM_Wyj7elI

>>6069924
Really tho, why use excrement as paint when some artificial brown chunky substance could do?

>>6069924

I wish people could at least have something more to offer in modern art's defense than: STOP DISLIKING WHAT I LIKE PLEB!THIS IS OBVIOUSLY PATRICIAN TIER BECAUSE ME AND MY PEERS DIG IT.

>>6069914
Do you know why anyone who disagrees with you falls into a big bin labeled "liberal"?

>>6069929

Nice tits.

>>6069939
Yeah, me too, man. They're all just sheeple.

>>6069929
I like that she chooses to literally pucker her asshole in front of everyone.

>>6069929
hahaha, mixed semen and a new york city map!
would buy/10

>>6069929

This is obviously an interpretation of Georges Bataille's Story of the Eye.
Am I right? Was my reference fancy enough?

oh my god stop posting so much you faggots

>>6069929

god damn dat body tho

>>6069914
I remember that thread being fairly balanced, are you butthurt because Hitler was a bad painter?

>>6069929
i dont know what to make of that

>>6069970

Hitler being a shitty painter doesn't help modern art, Kevin LeBleu.

>>6069929
>>6069968
>art is now a medium of expressing edgy opinions rather than something of value in itself
>mfw

>>6069929
would fuck

>>6069968
that bitch tall

>>6069929
Well shit, she is hot. No wonder people pay to see her eggs.

>>6069947

Do you know why anyone who disagrees with you falls into a big bin labeled "pleb"?

>>6069929
edgy attention seeking at its finest

>>6069929

HNNNNNNNNGGGGGGGGG

More abstract art can be interesting, but great art is something incredibly appealing to the senses.

modern literature isn't much better tho

>>6069995
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>>6069979
>>6069976
>>6069968
>>6069958
>>6069956
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>>6069949

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I9lmvX00TLY

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EvMwCvbHHUY

THE RIDE NEVER ENDS!!!

>>6069978
I don't care, I'm not defending anything. This is /lit/ - literature., having said that, Wikipedia says modern art is "Modern art includes artistic works produced during the period extending roughly from the 1860s to the 1970s", so I'm going to presume that your opinion is at least as uneducated as mine.

>>6069929

What's with modern artists and using peepee (parts) and poopoo (holes)?

>>6069947
Because they tend to be very liberal with the term "art"

>>6070003
Why did the camera man pull away just as she was pissing beans out of her jean hole?
Does he know this is RE-ALERT?

>>6070010
I don't understand the one girl.
She's so out of place.

>>6069929
This is so 1970s
Ever heard of COUM Transmissions?

>>6070003

>tfw no art school Asian gf

>>6070036
>tfw her parents are probably paying tens of thousands of dollars for her to see that

>>6070003
>people actually take this shit seriously

>>6070003

>those conversations at the end of the video

Are you Americans always so fake in your enthusiasm?

>Are you Americans always so fake in your enthusiasm?
I know what you mean, but not always. I believe it stems from the youth's desire to adhere to change--whatever change that may be.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LYS1PG6RoyY

kinda reminds me of memes. pic related.

>>6070036
>tfw no gf with daddy issues

>>6069886
>instead of a fucking urinal being on display
but that is modern art

>my 6 year old could do that
why is that a bad thing?

>>6070178
A 6 year old can paint a canvas a solid color, a 6 year old cannot paint the Mona Lisa. A 6 year old can bang on a piano and call it 'atonalism,' a 6 year old could not write Mozart's 41st symphony.

>>6070183
>the Mona Lisa.
It's always a pleb giveaway when someone mentions the Mona Lisa during an art discussion.

I like how artists have become these faux philosophers trying to launch an idea they probably read elsewhere and turn into a bullshit performance act.

>>6070183
>writing 41 symphonies
what a derivative hack

>>6069939
you clearly know absolutely nothing of CONTEMPORARY art.
and it's all subjective, so why do they need to have something to offer?
all they need to do is explain their feelings, but they don't really have to do that either.

>>6070158
That's actually anti-art, by his own admission. He wanted to mock how inane art had become, so he paid to have the urinal exhibited.

>>6070183
and why is that so bad?
i'm pretty sure a 6 year old child wouldn't have too much trouble creating a completely tonal piece.

>>6070183
>a 6 year old could not write Mozart's 41st symphony
or maybe he could. Mozy wrote his first one when he was eight

>>6070204
>He wanted to mock how inane art had become
are you fucking retarded? making art inane was what he wanted to do.

>>6070189
His point is, it lacks refinement.

We all know what a 5 year old's paintings look like; we've seen our own. These unrefined works derive their value from the fact that they occupy a gallery space, a 'yes a 6 year old could do this, but would a 6 year old think to put it here, in this space?' Whereas it used to be the case that the gallery got its worth from the quality of artwork displayed, the role has been reversed.

>>6070198

I know enough about because social psychology to see that you faggots your "taste" is largely determined by your shitty librul peers.

If say 95% of your sophisticated friends hated it, you wouldn't defend it, faggot.

>>6070198
>>6070206
>exerts no effort
>no bother of aesthetics
>lol it doesn't have to its relart see?

>>6070217
>If say 95% of your sophisticated friends hated it, you wouldn't defend it, faggot.
doubt it, i dislike and like a lot of things my peers don't.

>>6070213

>I'm an edgy faggot who lives in a world without shared meaning, so a dude exhibiting his shit stained toilet paper is the next best thing 4 me and 2deep4u

>>6070219
>exerts no effort
?
>no bother of aesthetics
?

>>6069939
Contemporary art is really too big of a field to dismiss or defend together.

If you want landscapes or naked women, people still do those abundantly, it's just they've been done to death as subjects so they've become rather banal and uninspired forms of expression, at least as something created today.

>>6070223
You missed my point entirely.

>>6070224
You don't have to be talented.
It doesn't have to look or sound good.

>>6070212
That's actually not true at all. You can't really begin to understand how stupid art looked at the time, in the middle of a World War while the rich were staying back and still chatting about quaint tea time art and calling it "sublime". Duchamp was expressing his disgust.

>>6070232
>talent
>arts
you are fucking retarded

>It doesn't have to look or sound good.
no, it doesn't, where did you get this notion that it has to look or sound good?
and isn't 'good' completely subjective?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NfS5RKnsXD4
i bet you wouldn't like this, but someone else sure would.

>>6070226

You and other honestly admit that modern art is like this because art as we have known it has become "banal".
You might as well sound like a teenage girl with your "soooo boring, let's do something fun yaaahh :D"

>>6070235
[citation needed]
Duchamp was a big fan of dadaism and cubism.

>>6070246
>banal
le dfw face

>>6070244
>you are fucking retarded
no u
>get this notion that it has to look or sound good?
Right, clearly making fart noises into my mic and pissing on a canvas will captivate millions.

>>6070246
>soooo boring, let's do something fun yaaahh :D
and that is not reason enough because?

>>6070244
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NfS5RKnsXD4

>>6070254

>I need to be entertained

You're so above the plebs, you really are.

>>6070253
>pissing on a canvas will captivate millions
it would and it has.
you're a little late, though.

>>6070253
>millions
Who cares about popularity? Could you define "art"?

>>6070260
who has said anything about being entertained?
and no one is acting as if they're above anyone.

it's literally only the 'plebs' who can't stand contemporary art who think they're above anyone.

>>6070248
That was the whole point of Dada, it was a movement in reaction to the war and the nauseating dichotomy between the war world and the art world. Sometimes it was simply about how absurd it is, other times it was overtly political. Millions of people were dying and the art admired by the upper classes was mostly the same, they were being more emotionally affected by a picture of flowers than millions of deaths.

>>6070261

>>6070272
oh, you're talking about him hating "good" art, not experimental art?
we're agreeing then.

>>6070010
>tfw you're behind the girl

>>6070261
>>6070264
Right, I forgot who I'm dealing with.
Hopefully in a thousand years those piss-stained canvases will be remembered and lauded with the likes of Dante and Monet.

The chosen, for all their great contributions in the various fields of science, have with a few exceptions always sucked in the arts, be it music, literature or painting.

>>6070286
>hates everything that is not pop-culture
>hates unconventional art
>monet is fine though
lmao

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7G46YMyQjBY

BUT WHAT DOES IT MEAN

>>6070003
This shit makes me want to post on /pol/
I mean, I won't, but seriously. What the fuck is this?

>>6070291
Monet was cool though.
Would take this over urinal and vagina eggs any day.

>>6070303
it's the art equivalent of "oh-so-quirky-indie-girls"

>>6070306
so would i, doesn't mean he wasn't "degenerate" at some point in time.

>>6070294

>>6070303
>I mean, I won't
Why not?
Are you afraid of discovering that /pol/ was right all along?

>>6070310
At least he was a degenerate who tried.

>>6070320
the moment you stop and realise that there was never a point in time where people just suddenly stopped trying, you'll appreciate more art.

>>6070325
Ah gee, amazing modern art, surely someone will find this beautiful.

>>6070329
>surely someone will find this beautiful.
why wouldn't they?

>>6070333
I didn't try.

>>6070329
Fuck, I cried. Reminded me of the beauty of death.

>>6070340
why is trying so important to you?
and how would i know if you tried or not if you didn't tell me just now?

>>6070342
Alright, I get it, everyone's an artist, practice is useless. But you can't possibly believe the same applies to literature.

>>6069929
arm tat looks like a swastika in one of the versions. Just me?

>>6070360
>But you can't possibly believe the same applies to literature
i've never said anything like that. and who's saying practice is useless?
didn't kafka write the metamorphosis in a night?

>>6070368
Nah, but I sure found equal depth in that pissed canvas.

>>6070366
just you, seen that logo before, no idea where it's from.
music related i'm sure. (not the black flag one)

>read pic related
>starts by covering the revolutionary works of Rodin, Cezanne, Matisse, Picasso, etc
>move through interesting coverage of cubism, futurism, dada, german expressionism, abstract expressionism, minimalism
>articles get gradually more negative after the 80s, exorbitant prices for Basquiat, Schnabel, and Jeff Koons
>fizzles out in 2010 with giant bland installation pieces

Even historians of modern art think contemporary art is shit, you can read Claire Bishop's Artificial Hells where she points out that the trend for 'participatory art' is feel-good neoliberal bullshit.

>>6070375
hm.

>>6070319
No, I went there once, and I felt like I was on reddit. So many obstinate kids throwing around ridiculous statements based on some widely regarded misconception. It felt completely hopeless, like trying to tell a football hooligan it's just a brand he's kicking people's heads in for, you know you can say whatever you want, he's just going to nod a few times, turn around and shout:
WHAT DO WE THINK OF TOTTENHAM!?
SHIT!
WHAT DO WE THINK OF SHIT!?
TOTTENHAM!
THANK YOU!
THAT'S ALRIGHT!
WE HATE TOTTENHAM, WE HATE TOTTENHAM! WE HATE TOTTENHAM, WE HATE TOTTENHAM!

>>6069929

why can't I hold all this mental illness?

>>6070387
>I went there once
I bet you read a few posts, got triggered, and started crying.

But more seriously, saying that you felt like you were on reddit clear shows that you didn't spend enough time there. If you had, you would have learned how to sift through the epic maymays and find the good stuff.

Will art ever be taken seriously again?

>people posting bad performance art and pretending that all contemporary art is like that
>people referring to contemporary art as "modern art"
>people still struggling to accept abstract expressionism

i bet you faggots can't even name 5 notable living artists. try leaving your parents house and visiting an actual museum. pic related

>>6069929
Is this shit supposed to be art?, holy fuck, where are those god damn retards shitting on classical works?, how can you defend bullshit like shit?.

Jeezus mother fucking christ, I am trigerred

I have never felt as disgusted as I am right now, beheadings and headshots don't even come close to this "pseudo-art".

>>6070010

>>6070404
based you, you're too late though

>>6070404

>5 notable living artists

there isn't even one

Dali would spit on these charlatans if he were alive today

>>6070413
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LDZX4ooRsWs

Is this shit supposed to be art?, holy fuck, where are those god damn retards shitting on classical works?, how can you defend bullshit like shit?.

Jeezus mother fucking christ, I am trigerred

I have never felt as disgusted as I am right now, beheadings and headshots don't even come close to this "pseudo-art".

>>6069937
why use margarine when you could use butter

>>6070418
>there isn't even one
and that's why you will stay ignorant

>>6070418
hockney
hirst
emin
banksy
kapoor
there we, go, only british artists too

>>6070423
I felt disgusted at that too, holy fuck shit, where are the fucking standards?. Porn movies have more depth than that fucking song/video.

>>6070433

haven't heard of a single one

post something that I can tell apart from schoolchildren scribbling

>>6070436
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fJ9rUzIMcZQ

and for some reason this is a masterpiece :)

>>6070400
>I bet you read a few posts, got triggered, and started crying.

I just described what I felt, but alright.

>saying that you felt like you were on reddit clear shows that you didn't spend enough time there.

It's funny, though, because your first post was:
>Are you afraid of discovering that /pol/ was right all along?
Which already implies some sort of uniform ideology of the board. When I say it reminds me of reddit I mean that there are just echoes of unchangable opinions being forced down your throat. I don't care whether it's liberal, John Green loving, Marxist, Islamic, humanitarian, vegan or whatever, as soon as I get the feeling there is obstinacy in a misconception (the misconception being the whatever the idea causing the obstinacy is) I don't even want to waste my time with it.

From what I could tell, /pol/ was exactly like reddit. The same shit gets the most replies, the same opinions are held by a large ammount of the users, and there is no room for questions, because good goyim, I wonder who's behind this post, JIDF pls go, degenerate, etc.

People who suppose they hold some infallable truth are obnoxious, and unless I am forced to deal with them, I'd rather refrain from being in their company. But then I'm not a /pol/ veteran, so who knows, I could even be wrong in my idea of /pol/, and if you enjoy it there, I probably will be in your eyes.

>>6070437
>haven't heard of a single one
i'm so surprised by that! :)

>>6070289
Lol, jews are some of the best at music.

>>6070433
only interesting one is kapoor and maaaybe hockney

banksy lmao

>>6070439
This is a fucking masterpiece.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nGdFHJXciAQ

Tracy emin anticipated the narcissism of social media.

>>6070437
>hasn't heard of david hockney
>hasn't heard of Damien hirst
>hasn't heard of tracey emin
>hasn't heard of banksy
>hasn't heard of anish kapoor
fuck

>>6070446
maybe hockney? Pleb detected

>>6070449
>post classical music
>fucking vivaldi

Summer>Winter>Rest

>>6070452

Actually now that you mention it, I have heard of Banksy

He does the dollar bills, right? Seems like a cool dude

>>6070463
fucken dying over here m8

>>6070452
>>6070454

I mean this is definitely art, I'm just not sure it's very good

>>6070449
Post the superior youtube version you cunt:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TZCfydWF48c

>>6070467
and that is your opinion, which is completely fine.

>if i don't like it, it's not art

No, if you don't like it then it means you don't like it AND THAT'S FINE

You are using rejection and dismissal in place of criticism because you think you're not smart enough to criticise but you are. just say how you feel. You're already doing it but you don't have to be fundamentalist about it

>>6070462
Fuck you, Winter>Summer>Rest.

Also, what is wrong with classical music?. And, what is wrong with Vivaldi?. I could have posted something from Bach, Chopin, Schubert, Beethoven, Mozart or Albinoni and the point would be the same.

>>6070479
>Winter>Summer>Rest
i was about to say Summer=Winter>Rest, but can't decide

>>6070485
Yeah, they are both great to be honest.

>>6070472
I am sorry m8, I like more the version I posted.

What makes you say that the version you posted is superior?

>>6070377

In other words: pure ideology.

>>6070486
i didn't post that one, and i prefere yours.
i feel the other ones are infinitely more nihilistic and the 'flat' aesthetic is very nice.

>>6070486
also
>superior
stop this.

>>6070491
>>6070492
I am sorry, I meant
>>6070468
He is stating that the version he posted is superior. Which is why I used that word.

>>6070479
The Four Seasons is fine but it's overplayed movieclassical, like Carmina Burana and Adagio for Strings.

Why bother focusing on this retarded crap when there's still a ton of high quality art being produced in the world?

>>6070502
that's kind of what we're trying to say, but they literally don't believe us.

>>6069958
Standing at a swedish festival

>>6070509
>>6070502
"Literally" post quality stuff then, and try to prove your point. You know, the website is supposed to be about "discussions", not just about shitposting.
>>6070501
It is funny, the only movie I've heard The Four Seasons is The fault in our star, which made me facepalm. Having a girlfriend has its downsides

>>6070418
that thing has two heads?

>>6070502
There is literally no good art being created any more thanks to cultural marxism.

modern art is an act against capitalism, the creation of something that cant be bought.

>>6070536

>>6070536
Specter - Darren Waterston

>>6070402
Movies are the biggest industry out there, with the exception of video games, so I'd say art is doing fine. Painting, not so much, but painting is for decoration and people who've been living under a rock.

>>6070189
I always think the opposite. Anyone who dismisses the Mona Lisa is trying too hard. How do you think it got popular in the first place? Do you think it was a smash hit like "Cats" that took the world by storm? Literally the only problem hipsters like you have with the Mona Lisa is that it's very famous.

>>6070567
what? paintings and sculptures are still going strong

>>6070251
is DFW the only person you know who used the word "banal"?

>>6070571
>How do you think it got popular in the first place?
yo

>>6070566
Looks like something you'd see on a t-shirt in a Kansas Wal-Mart.

>>6070556

Yeah sure.

>>6070183
a 6 year old won't paint a canvas a solid colour though

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/My_Kid_Could_Paint_That

>>6070584
are you really trying to say that the one to the left isn't infinitely more interesting and pleasing to look at than the right?

>>6070566
You see, that is quality stuff.

>>6070217
>taste is determined by other people

holy shit you just blew the art world open

>>6070584
>logicalfallacy.jpg

>>6070589

Are you trying to devalue my experience?

>>6070183
>not knowing what atonal music is

>>6070598
yes

>>6070596

>but I'm so above the masses tho, dumb plebs, haha, dey dont even read, dumbasses, fucking dumbasses with their retard fox news, god people are so dumb, cant even imagine how dumb consumer culture is, urgh, the proletariat must rise

>>6070592
>>6070566

>>6070584
>living legend vs nobody
i wonder who will sell best.

>>6070583
try harder faggot

Sinxay - Shahzia Sikander

>>6070584
I can't believe 'Liverpool Docks #63' was bought for only $300k, what a bargain!

>>6070546
you just assume that since no good art has been introduced to you in your limited experiences of the world, that it's just not being produced.

>surely if it was great someone would have posted an image of it on 4chan for me to save and repost

>>6070546
What do you consider video games then?

>>6070610

ITT: modern art is good because a cultural elite likes ( muh friends too hehe, so special ) it and all is subjective kek

You faggots make me wanna shoot a flame thrower on one of your menstrual blood performance art pieces.

>>6070536
>modern art is bad -- here are some cherry-picked examples that involve excrement because poopy is gross

qualifies as shitposting. literally

>>6070584
>Massacre Of The Innocents by Peter Paul Rubens
>Sold for 76.7 million US dollars at Sotheby's in London in July 2002
>nitpicking

>>6070619 see >>6070097
>I believe it stems from the youth's desire to adhere to change--whatever change that may be.

>>6070619
>ITT: _____ art is good because a cultural elite likes

has this ever not been the case with art?

>>6070619
fucking pathetic

>>6070605
>>but I'm so above the masses tho

this is the anti-modernist view

i like art in general and i'm not dismissing the last 100 or so years of it because muh poopy

>>6070621

>I'm an artist in the year of our lord 2015
>let me break some boundaries by flinging poopoo

Don't these shitfags realize how stereotypical this is?
Do they seriously think like a bunch of goth kids that everyone on the street will be 'shocked' to see their dark attire and be scared?
Most people see this nonsense and click away. Only you striped shirt big Adam's apple underweight faglords think this is kicking down society's mores.

>>6069929
>that pic

I cringed so hard because its true

>>6070637
lol why are you defending cherry-picked examples? shit on canvas isn't representative of modern art. it's not even representative of popular modern art or contemporary tastes. it's a strawman

>>6070437
Christo Yachev
One of rare alive artists I have respect for

>>6070627

My grandmother worked in a factory all her life and she sees a work by Caravaggio and she'll be blown away, really enter another form of consciousness.
Some edgelord with shit in a can, she'll get the idea after you explain it to her, but that'll be it and she'll move on.

>>6070433
>>6070452
>>6070463
>Banksy

literally all these people have to do is google "best contemporary artists" and they're guaranteed to find someone they'll like, but no.

>>6070646
i don't know how this addresses what i said

One of my chinese cartoon YA genre fiction books had a passing jab at modern art
>When I was in elementary school, a picture I drew was used as the cover of a book, and that book went on to become a best seller.

There was another sentence that was more blatant, but I can't find it.

>>6069929

>>6070646
i bet there were a lot of bad artists back in the day, too :)

>>6070647
Banksy is good.

Here is a painting he did that is absolutely beyond your comprehension.

>>6070652

>art school faggot cannot into reading

What else is new?
Maybe I was trying to say that even a total prole can appreciate "high art" and it doesn't need to be this circle jerk fest that is art nowadays?

>>6070621
>Cherry-picked
I have seen plenty of shitty of "modern art" to make up my mind about that kind of artists. Most of the time it is "2 deep for you" shit, like it or not, that is how things are.

It is not my fault that the only things they produce is non sense. Most of the time it involves Art colleges, I just hope that is not considered as "good".

>>6070661

All his other shit is just lame stencil graffiti jokes.

>>6069914
>>6069968
>>6070003
>>6070010

>>6070662
ok. now please respond to this post:

>>6070627

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xe0fvUgvvQg

ALL CONTEMPORARY MUSIC IS SHIT

MUSIC IS DEAD

ART IS DEAD

>muh elephant dung painting

It's also a brilliant adaptation of medieval icon painting and a recognition of the erotic nature of depictions of the Virgin Mary, from a committed Catholic artist.

>>6070664
you can't even use the term 'modern art' correctly lmao

>>6070669
His "provocateur" street art is also, far beyond your comprehension.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a0b90YppquE

>>6070682
>implying people itt can see through poop

>>6070003
>dirt is all around us
>everything is shit
>we apply meaning, value and worth to the shit surrounding us
>we live by this meaning and by our words
>we live by our worth and apply value
>but everything is shit

so deep

>>6070687
Ayy lmao :^). I bet they miss you over at /tv/, brother

>>6070536
>"Literally" post quality stuff then, and try to prove your point
Well, if you look at websites like artstation.com you'll find hundreds of illustrators and digital painters still around who are exceptionally skilled and very creative. There's still like 10 or so movies coming out every month and at least one of them turns out really good on average. You have video games, a relatively new medium which combines ALL other creative mediums and then adds a brand new layer onto it, interactivity, making exceptional video games more or less the Gesamtkunstwerk of art in this point in history. And then take into consideration the amount of effort, creative skill and insight, and passion required to make all these things, and the number of people behind them working together... it's not much different from the thousands of master craftsmen that were alive in ancient Greece making sculptures and whatnot.

>>6070673

Why are you not getting the point?
Have you ever sat down with your average factory worker in a bar? I have. Maybe you champions of the proletariat haven't, but these dudes laugh their ass off with "art". They are in no way shocked or moved by your dancing on butter or laying eggs from your minge.

The art of olden days, even stuff like fauvism they'll dig, proles will dig too.
So your idea of "art is good because an elite likes it" wasn't the case before. It is now. If it wasn't for suicidal white special snowflakes this shit wouldn't appeal to anyone.

>>6070678
Don't forget most of contemporary cinema and literature

>>6070682

>painting the theotokos as a nigger

>>6070682
not really
it's a ugly hack painting

>>6070223
when the person you're arguing with resorts to green text and memes to refute, you know you've one

>>6070705
CONTEMPORARY, CINEMA AND LITERATURE IS DEAD

DEAAAAAAAAAAAAD

>>6070689

I know better graffiti artists than him really.

I can't believe /lit/ actually thinks Bansky is a legit artist..

>>6070003
man I knew that terrible fucking spaghettio video was gonna show up

>>6070700
>Video games.
I am sorry, but they are mostly dead. AAA are shit and the indie industry is going no where, especially with kickstarter.

I believe one of the last games I really enjoyed was Bastion.

>>6069886

I think most here defending this art form have failed noticing OP's pic and how this "cultured elite" acts beyond retarded.

>>6070720
>“ Modern art is a disaster area. Never in the field of human history has so much been used by so many to say so little.”
----Banksy

Get the fuck out TTKM

>>6070734
>I believe one of the last games I really enjoyed was Bastion.
Your opinion is worth nothing then.

>>6070010
shock value in attempt to hide that what they're doing is completely stupid and lacks depth

>>6070719
>SIGNED COPY
Holy fuck, how much is that worth?.

>>6070735
>moma
>cultured elite
bro

>>6070701
>Have you ever sat down with your average factory worker in a bar?

i was a factory worker. then i went to university. there i studied art history, where i could see a wide variety of art and art forms from an informed, non-biased (cf 'modern art is literally just performance art') perspective. you know what i learned there? that the cultural elite determines what art is and isn't

>So your idea of "art is good because an elite likes it" wasn't the case before

lol it's not my idea. it's art history

you're not proving me wrong by saying "people now look at art from ages ago and like it". demonstrate how what you're claiming as modern art is even 20% of art produced from around the start of the 20th c

>>6070708
Nothing wrong with that.

>>6070746

How are you enjoying your unemployment now?

>>6070751
OMG WHAT THE FUCK IS THAT PAINTING THAT IS TRASHHHHHHHHH NO EFFORT FUUUCK

>>6070739
What was the most recent game you enjoyed?.

Inb4 Dwarf Fortress, Dark Souls, or some japanese bullshit

>>6070757
>Dark Souls, or some japanese bullshit
jesus dude

>>6070751

What's it with you leftists wanting all religious figures to be niggers? Even fucking Heimdall has to be a nigger?

But oh shit if a white dude plays a character that wasn't white in the book and so forth.

>>6070433
>bansky

>>6070754
take that, modern art!

Pleb minds just havent caught up with postmodernism yet.
So they see modern art and even if they like it, the dont understand it. They end up wanting to replicate quality art but end up saturating the art world with mediocre shit.

>>6070767
>TTKM

>>6070757
AC4 Black Flag, which I started playing this month, and Wolfenstein TNO which I beat last month.

There's something pathological about art the last couple of decades.

>>6070761
>But oh shit if a white dude plays a character that wasn't white in the book and so forth.

you'll say that black and white people aren't equal but you're quick to compare race-swapping like they are

>>6070761
i think making Heimdall is pretty funny, cause he was called "the whitest of the gods" and he had golden teeth.

>>6070760
So, what is your answer?.

Don't get me wrong, Dark Soul is a good game. On the other hand, I don't see the appeal to "moe" video games.

>>6070780
>all japanese games are "moe"
jesus dude

>>6070772
The new rebellion is to conform to the idealism of the Greco-Roman/renaissance/enlightenment.

Eat shit and die jew scum.

>>6070746

If more than half the population can't even understand a simple art piece anymore, we're having a serious class division. More serious than anything before.
Something you Marxist shitbags should worry about.

>>6070784
Hence this beauty right here.

>INB4 quasi realist/impressionst=/= classical standards of beauty

Fuck off jew.

>>6070785
the fact that you think that every contemporary artwork is super conceptual, or conceptual at all shows how ignorant you are.

>>6070784
no, you cro magnon, it's not.
Just because you have failed to evolve your mind to appreciate nature and therefore the works of mankind in any form.

>>6070784
>>6070784

This.
Expect a future with Dugin/Junger/Spengler/Evola/Guenon and other thinkers to set the tone and an art to mirror that.

The 21st century is going to be increasingly conservative/reactionary, so prepare your clenched identity politics asshole.

>>6070780
>So, what is your answer?.
My answer is right here >>6070775

>>6070785
>More serious than anything before.

apart from when art featured the most esoteric greco-roman myths that only the literate educated class could understand (and commission)

please keep demonstrating your ignorance of the subject

>Marxist

weird

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HmHLIVsx658

There is good and bad contemporary art. Saying it's "all subjective" is lazy, and claiming that technique is irrelevant is ignorant. Simple things can be good, but some things can be good because they are not simple.

>>6070782
Of course not, but I meant those "moe games" by "japanese games". I worded it wrong.

>>6070792
Yea, shut the fuck up you shit eating jew.

>>6070780
dark souls is a japanese game

>>6070329
The empty white space represents the etheral unconscious mind in which we all inhabit. The artist utilizes the negative space in this way to exemplify the unseen aspect of our deepest inner thoughts. The singular and downward sloping line represents the individual in society. He believes he stands alone in an empty and cold world. The downward slope is indicative of our declining culture and our generations loss of hope in the future.
Fucking genius. Thank you

>>6070805
why are you so mad'
Does the color white offend you?
triggered m8?

>>6070809
>represents

dropped

>>6070793
Where is that image/quote from?

>>6070797

I'm pretty sure an illiterate peasant in medieval and early modern times pretty much knew what was happening on paintings of a Saint or Biblical scenes.

We're talking about Western civilization, not classical (inb4 'dose r deh same', no they're not)

It's nice you pick Late Antiquity as an example of that civilization, its terminus with esoteric babble, just like ours now.

>>6070814
TTKM

At least go to the herpes kissing both or something you immature and unfunny fool.

>>6070809
ACTUALLY ITS ABOUT ETHICS IN GAME JOURNALISM AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HOHOHOHOHOOH TEEHEEEEEEE

>>6070805
>doesn't appreciate the extreme minimalism that is nothing
>doesn't GET the void
>doesn't appreciate this as a piece that redefines what art is
i bet you hate cage, too

>>6070809
i could draw a better line than that!

>>6070819

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mUrj0whdmxQ

I was mostly shitposting there.
But he makes a good point.
Zizek suspects shit and hopes we'll "my god, shtart thienkieng", but Sloterdijk is much more sober and poignant.

>>6070825
>that is nothing
but there's a white canvas on a white wall there

>>6070822
>implying your reason matters
you might aswell be dead.

Modern art is the very definition of pleb. It democratized art. It made the production and consumption of art available and appealing to plebs.

Modern art requires only a message and no specific skill, which opens the production of it up to any untrained plebeian.

And at the same time, the meaning of modern artworks is either incredibly obvious (5th grade statements like "war is bad" or "fuck consumerism") or so subjective that formal training of any kind in the arts is unnecessary (all you need is imagination of some kind). You're not required to do any analysis, just simply vomit how you "feel."

I don't know why any self-respecting person could advocate such degenerate peasant art.

>>6070832
totally worth it

>>6070820
>I'm pretty sure an illiterate peasant in medieval and early modern times pretty much knew what was happening on paintings of a Saint or Biblical scenes.

so you're complaining that people can't understand art now because there's no widespread religion literally giving them the answers to all the art?

>We're talking about Western civilization, not classical

lol?

good lord read a book on art history sometime

>>6070825

HEY GUISE IM AN ARTIST AND U TOTS SHUD THINK BOUT FINITIDE AND STUFF

I kinda hate artists really.
I like what they produce, but talking with them and how they come to such works is always moved by this childish attention-seeking bullshit.

>>6070838
we're talking about contemporary art here, bozo

>>6070828
thanks

>>6070825
TTKM pls go.

>>6070793
>>6070793
complete nonsense. People in cities no longer even have a concept of what actual conservatism is, and no connection to it. If you mean pretending to be conservative online and posturing about traditionalist authors, then sure, why not.

>>6070402
You are aware that the painter of that piece drew that from a camera obscura and just mindlessly and obstinately filled in the blanks for months and months, right?

I mean it's admirable,, the sheer amount of work, but it's really not artistic talent, and all that shit was made obsolete the second photography was invented anyways.

>>6070844
so, do you hate cage?
and contemporary artists, especially the famous ones are way more laid back than ever before, you should appreciate it.

>>6070844

Goes for writers too, especially poets and short story writers, not just visual artists.

>>6070661
He just stuck the Nazi on a bench.

>>6070843

I'm not 'complaining', merely stating shit you missed about art and its function and purpose centuries ago ( which, in part, was about educating the masses, hence Catholic nations brought forth bulks of it ).
I think it's pretty obvious that with religion departing as a shared horizon of meaning, it has caused art to become fragmented as well, almost inaccesible.

And we differ in opinion about what classifies as 'western' faggot, not about absolute truths. Debate is ongoing about that in historiography.
You aren't the genius in this thread you think you are. Someone should give you a nutsack kick to get you out of that ivory tower your art history years have brought you in.

>>6070847

Forgive me for thinking a thread beginning with a screencap of MoMA and specifically mentioning "modern art" is about modern art.

I guess this thread is all up to your own subjective interpretation.

>>6070183
Aaaaayyy lmao
You can't compare music by Stravinsky or Stockhausen to someone taking a shit in a blender and making a milkshake and then calling it art.

>>6070852

>implying this "faux conservativism" won't have a bigger effect than your Judith Butler crap

It matters jack shit if it's "actual" or not, it's its new form and it will set the tone.

>>6070864
You absolute TTKM dumb fuck.

i really thought /lit/ would be more open-minded and intelligent than this.

>there are people who think banksy is good
you're going to be so embarrassed when you randomly remember this thread in a few years

>>6070864
i'm guessing the placement of the nazi questions our idea about of beauty: how can the nazi harbour those ideas and appreciate the landscape like we do? are his ideas coming from the (beauty of the) landscape? could we get those ideas from the landscape? does (as many think) art make us better people or not? etc

>>6070885
except it doesn't provoke any of those thoughts at all because it's so on the nose. it provokes an eye-roll and a dismissive tut.

>>6070437
Are you seriously trying to pass that as the pinnacle of renaissance art?

that is a really simple composition with a really straight forward perspective and simple geometrical architecture

Really most of these renaissance religious paintings were purely utilitarian, to tell stories and convert people, and the painters were more artisans than artists.

PEEPEE AND POOPOO :DDDDD U SHOCKED YET CAPITALIST PIG

>>6070890
i'm not condoning/dismissing it. only trying to say what i think it wants to say. obviously it also wants to shock.

>>6070895
oh these are pretty funny, post the "my 6 year old could make this" one

>>6070867
carracci isn't western? news to me

>>6070820
>>6070843
Bible wasn't readable to the masses until Luthor radicalized the Roman catholic Church and had the RCC translate it from Latin.

>>6070905
they knew the mythology inside out though

>>6070905
the bile wasn't read but preached. see>>6070911

>>6070589

It's more pleasing for plebs because interpreting a city scene requires formal knowledge.

"Interpreting" random colors requires only an imagination.

You are no different from a pleb who reads books for the plot.

>>6070885
You're such a dumb fucken TTKM kid.

>>6070896
alright but if you need to draw a fucking nazi to make your art provoke a reaction then you're a faggot.

>>6070918
>blah blah pleb
story is an important part of literature. whole branches of university are dedicated to studying it. your worldview comes from an asiatic semaphore school. how does that feel?

>>6070931
lol you're soooooOOOOooooo fucken dumb TTKM

>>6070916
>>6070911
fuck you guys. let me have this.

>>6070927
what is ttkm and what is your interpretation? (i feel really threatened btw, keep it up).

>>6070931
i was tiptoeing before but i might as well just come out and say i agree. it is lazy.

literally what is ttkm

>>6070944
>what is ttkm and what is your interpretation?
I'll tell you my interpretation of it if you admit you're a faggoty little bitch who doesn't know nothing about anything, and is willing to be the receptacle of my orgasmic wisdom.

Your begging has gotta be good, or I ain't gonna do shit but insult you.

>>6069968
Her shoes don't match the rest of her outfit.

>>6070957
i'll take the insulting

>>6070619
And classical art was only ever created because the rich elites, or churches, wanted pretty pictures to denote status.

But what is special or unique about a realistic portrait of yourself of your family when a local starving illustrator who went for 3 years to art college, will paint you the most realistic portrait for a few hundred dollars, or even cheaper just a god damn photograph?

Nah, if you wan't to be the trendiest heeb around you gotta have something nobody else can have, and that isn't just pretty pictures

>>6070965
You're a gay little TTKM, have fun being an absolute jew/jew enabler.

>>6070951
>>6070965
oh, he's trying to do a meme.

>>6070967
>a local starving illustrator who went for 3 years to art college, will paint you the most realistic portrait for a few hundred dollars

Why do you think making up shit will make you appear smarter? Not all of us are TTKM gullible little closet cases as you appear to assume.

>>6070968
i was expecting a little more. at least call me an insecure pleb or something. i mean jeez.

>>6070934

Great. There's nothing wrong with story, but without form in equal measure, it's shit art.

Plot is superficial and requires no knowledge of literature to appreciate.

>>6070624
Because he was a classical master, works of the classical markets are never seen on the markets today, while Grimshaw while not being a nobody, produced too much work for any of his paintings to be worth that much

>>6070975
Calling you what you are is the greatest insult I can bestow upon you.

>>6070977
>Plot is superficial and requires no knowledge of literature to appreciate.

Ugh. The TTKM posters are so obvious it hurts.

>>6070985

It will never be a meme, kiddo.

>>6070951
https://certificates.theodi.org/datasets/11409/certificates/23851

>>6070978
didn't picasso produce over 10.000 works?

>>6071000
Don't argue with the TTKM, he's enjoying himself too much in parroting his professor-- don't spoil his good time.

>>6070828
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mUrj0whdmxQ

The guy who captions is writing too German is.

>i'll force this meme on by the power of my sheer intellect!
*tips chastity belt*

this has nothing to do with the page, but i don't feel it needs it's own.

how do you know if you got a good copy of the book?
like, i've heard there are many different versions of Ulysses, some good, some terrible. is this the case for all books? for greeks and pre-1900 too?

>>6071025
The copy is no good unless the muses sing to you. Until then, keep looking.

>>6070402
>le Xzibit maymay in the background

>>6071025
>>>/lit/
there's most likely been some discussion on the different versions of whatever book you want, assuming it's not too obscure.

mostly they'll be exactly the same though.

I like looking at stuff like this but I don't think it is worth millions of dollars.

>pic is like seven feet tall in person

>>6071049
is this the /lit/ archive?
i'm new here.

>>6071083
I saw something like it on Mad Men. Do you have any idea if it is the same as the one you posted?

>>6071099
yeah. keep it under your hat though.

>>6071124
I've never seen that show but I'm gonna guess they are making fun of it.

The artist is Mark Rothko.

>>6071165
>show about rich guys in suits
>making fun of rothko
i highly doubt it

>>6070869
Do you go to McMaster? Because I know that girl and she seems 100% tumblrcore autistic.

>>6069914
But Hitler was a bad painter.
He was a homeless fuck who painted postcards for christsakes.

>>6071273

No, I got it from here, I think.

>>6070571

The Mona Lisa is a wack ass painting. It sucks.

Now this an interesting painting

>>6071083

This is the worst art ever made, same with Pollock. Absolute worst.

>>6071165
>The artist is Mark Rothko.

How the fuck can he be called an artist.

>>6071165
Exactly that, I am going with satire.

>>6071277
Basically like us.

If moot had given a fuck back then and set up 4chan, he'd have been preventing ww2.