/lit/ - Literature

>>6048797

>>6048809
Could someone please tell me what is illustrated here or what the title is? It looks interesting.

>>6048838

Painting is called Souls on the Banks of the Acheron

It's the story of “In this picture we see the newly dead hovering on the banks of that river of the lower world which they must cross in Charon’s boat ere they reach their ultimate destination.

“Hermes Necropompos is here fulfilling his important function of conducting the shades of the dead from the upper to the lower world. In Mr. Hirschl’s rendering but few of these souls are glad to leave the sunlit earth behind them. Its joys and attractions still hold them spellbound, only quite a few, mostly young children and old men, are resigned to their mortal fate.

>>6048838

Adolf Hiremy Hirschl “Souls on the Banks of the Acheron”

>>6048853

>>6048838
Looks like Hermes with the dead

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>>6048878
wow that's great! never knew that painter.

>>6048854
>>6048857
Thanks a lot! I appreciate it.

>>6048900
I saw that one not too long ago in the Hermitage. The original is enormous, I spent quite a lot of time in front of it. Great pic!

>>6048912
Oh god, i wanna go so bad to Saint Petersburg one day. I'm sure the Hermitage is astonishing.

>>6048896

Futurist's produced a lot of interesting stuff

>>6048922
It is. The Louvre might be a tiny bit better, more modernized and not as stuffed as the Hermitage but it's a close race. Also, if you make it to St. Petersburg, make sure to go to the Russian Museum. Tons of great (russian) paintings and artworks and not as crowded as the Hermitage.

What would be your intepretation of the black square by Maleivich?

>>6048978
this is art that i dont want to interpret. its not that i hate it or love it, i just want to take it as it is and just see what kind of impression i get at first glance.

>>6048978
I don't know Malevitch enough. One of my exes wrote a study on him, so she'd have many answers i'm sure.
For me, i don't think you can interpret the black square without the white on white square...i don't know if he did others...

>>6048978
Wasn't the point to paint things that are not effected by history or our preconceptions?
I used to think it was mocking art. till do to some extent.

>>6048978
mildly interesting graphic design

at the very best

Here's something for the reactionaries.

>>6049023
Have to look at it With history in mind.

>>6048997
This is fantastic. What's its title?

>>6049016
I just vaguely read that he wanted people to get more into a basic graphic reaction, a form of purity.

>>6049036
Jardin de Aranjuez by Santiago Rusinol

>>6049034
I vaguely remember Andrew Graham-Dixon saying something about it representing the chaos and despair of Russia back at that time. I could be wrong though.

>>6048978

>We can now understand in what precise way – and paradoxical as it may sound – Malevich's 'Black Square', as the seminal painting of modernism, is the true counterpoint to (or reversal of) 'L'origine [du monde]': with Courbet, we get the incestuous Thing itself which threatens to implode the Clearing, the Void in which (sublime) objects (can) appear; while with Malevich, we get its exact opposite, the matrix of sublimation at its most elementary, reduced to the bare markings of the distance between foreground and background, between a wholly 'abstract' object (square) and the Place that contains it. The 'abstraction' of modernist painting should therefore be viewed as a reaction to the overt presence of the ultimate 'concrete' object, the incestuous Thing, which turns it into a disgusting abject – that is to say, turns the sublime into an excremental excess.

/lit/ life

>>6048797

There's already an art thread. Why split them? Ahh, I can't stay mad with you. Have a photo of some bird with a tit out that's sfw because art.

>>6049016
Essentially this, Malevich first made it unconsciously at a 1913 russian futurists congress as part of a theatrical backdrop. Over the next few years he figured cubism and futurism would lead to suprematism, The black square was to be a cultural tabula rasa for a new global aesthetic

>>6049058
Isn't that from The Fragile Absolute?

>>6049053
Dont know about that but the basics can be read on wiki im sure. I do remember that this and other similar art movements were repressed in the soviet union(since mainly socialist realism was promoted).

>>6049034
And it's still a mildly interesting graphic design, it just happens to be a moderately interesting historical artifact as well, like the bullet that shot lincoln or the first apple computer
well, except the first apple computer brought us the incredibly important and omnipresent home computing systems while this black square was the vanguard of more pretentious graphic design

>>6048978
It's self-consciously universal but it knows it's a void, much like postmodernism

>>6049028
I see you

>>6049070
Unfortunately yes, later on. In the beginning soviet Russia was quiet a nice place for artists with new ideas. Look at Kandinsky or Rodchenko and what they came up with.

When I look at the pieces above and in general at Renaissance paintings, hairlessness seems to have always been one of the ideals of beauty.

>>6049074
Tell me anon, whats the point of even the most productive society life without art, culture and entertainment?

>>6049091
Tell me anon, whats the point of even the most productive society without art, culture and entertainment?

>>6049084
A shaved genital area has been considered as an important part of body asthetics since ancient egypt. Some conservative french queen in the 15. or 16. century was the one who forbade women to shave since she considered it sinful. That trend held on until the 20th century.

>>6049091
Art is entertainment(although all entertainment is not art). What is this stupid little square supposed to do for me?

>>6049121
It has already done most of what it could do to you. It's impacts are already a part of all of us and our aesthetic sensibilities. The only thing left for you to do now is to knowledge that and appreciate it's impact.

Saved this from one of the previous threads, much appreciated if you tell me who drew it.

>>6049137
Tullio Crali

>>6049137
Bombardamento Aereo by Tullio Crali

Is this one a famous painting? My gf couldn't believe that I didn't know it.

>>6049115
This looks like a screenshot from space engine

>>6049147
>Is this one a famous painting?

It's hungarian, so no.

Stumbled upon this one recently and was impressed. Its called Saudad which is a word that expresses "a deep emotional state of nostalgic or profound melancholic longing for an absent something or someone that one loves"

>>6049132
Everything makes an aesthetic impact, this black square is nothing special, except for it's tiny banality:exaltation ratio. Disney had a bazillion times bigger impact than this lousy painting, yet donald duck cartoons are conspicuously missing from these kind of threads.

>>6049151
forgot the painting, here it is.

>>6049154
Barks made some nice oil paintings of his comic covers.

Instead of just posting pictures, which pictures do you have prints of on your walls?

>>6049162
this one >>6049010

Y'all seen this here beauty? I saw it at an exhibition in Paris one time I was just so fixated by it, it's really incredible.

>>6049141
>>6049143
Thank you both.

>>6049159
Hey, I'm not ragging on disney here, my entire childhood is practically defined by donald duck comics.

In case you haven't seen it

https://www.google.com/culturalinstitute/project/art-project

>>6049058
Where do I start with Zizek? He seems cool and all the /lit/ kids won't stop talking about him

Speaking of comics, Hergè was pretty dope.

>>6049174
The Fragile Absolute or Zizek On Lacan

>>6049154
I dont know what you are talking about anymore.
First of all, Maleviche's square predated Walt Disney's company and animations.
Second of all, animation and films are a different art form that does not work well with 4chan, since it requires the ability to post entire films or cartoons.

My point was that Maleviches square is a foundational piece that represents the impact of these minimalistic abstract art movements.
They later inspired other art movements and eventually here we are with digital and electronic art.
I did not mean that the square impacts you now ,as you look at it, I meant that it impact you indirectly because much of the aesthetics you are used to nowadays, are partially inspired and a result of those revolutionary artistic movements.
look at Apple's logo for example..

Before those movements nobody painted like that.
These days we are saturated with movies and electronic art that has already absorbed those influences but back then nobody painted like that or represented things that way.
Back than cinema was in its infancy, showing real life, mimicking theater, Same with photography.
Painting was still the only and major way to depict reality or ideas in new ways.

>>6049045
Thanks!

>>6049183
That's the tragedy. We already overfed with copies of copies of copies so that the groundbreaking original doesn't strike us as anything special when we see it.

some guy who did artwork for a metal band i dont like

>>6049182
Thank you friend

>>6049183
And nobody ever denied the huge impact Disney cartoons had on animation.

Turner anyone?

>>6049190
His name is Forkas

>>6049196
Last month I was in the Tate Britain. I somehow always underestimated Turner and the brits. They have some cool stuff over there.

I like this one.

Get some forkas on your fork m8 >6049198

>>6049201
Magritte in general is pretty based.

>>6049200
>>6049196
I saw it too, I was so impressed, he's really incredible

>>6049200
forgot the pic

>>6049162
This, with my own face photoshopped on it.
It hangs above my tv that I use as a fireplace.
I've decorated everything in an over the top classical/traditional manner, which is hilarious to me, seeing as I have a really small one room apartment.

>>6049200

to be honest, I didn't know him either for a very long time. I stumbled upon his name after reading a book on art forgery and then went out and bought an illustrated book about him. Great painter. Really forward-thinking for his time. People like him paved the way for painters like Van Gogh or Monet ...

>>6049189
I dont see anything tragic about it. Its natural.
It is like saying it is tragic we are no longer as stricken when rereading a great book we already read. There would be no Malevich square if we did not value novelty and got tired of the things we already experienced.

>>6049216
Got pics? That sounds hilarious.

>>6048797
Who painted this and what's the piece called?

>>6049162

I have a print of a Picasso drawing somewhere, but I never hung it on my wall. My taste changed after I got it and I would now actually prefer something older, Turner, Blake, or a Goya oder a Rembrandt - in a thick golden frame, with nothing else on that wall.

Is it bad that I somehow like Rockwell? His work is just super comfy (for white heterosexuals).

>>6049225
>Doesn't know how to use reverse google image search.
The Destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah by John Martin, anon.

>>6049222
You`re probably right, I still want to post a sad frog for never experiencing certain art movements as people did when they were brand new.

>>6049225
Press on the little triangle near each post's number.

>>6049242

Right click on the picture and go to "Search Google for this image" for instant identification.

>>6049183
So it's a historical artifact, I get it. It's still a complete joke of a painting, and your mention of the apple logo just reinforces it being a piece of graphic design, revolutionary or not. You like what it spawned, then post the actual good things, but don't come and tell me that this black square is worth the time it takes to dismiss it.

>>6049078
this reminds me of air-brush paintings I've seen on the sides of circus attractions.

>>6049234
How can you call that painting comfy ? Have you even seen the faces on most characters ? It's creepy as fuck, and the title only adds to that.

>>6049249
Even better. Cheers for the shortcut and the post, anon!

>>6049247

Or on the other hand, people could actually put the artist and title in the filename instead of grabbing shit of google and blindposting it.

i like paintings and sculptures

i wish i was rich so i could purchase + have a nice place to display them...

>>6049257
Wtf? I never saw that. Not only does Democritus have a globe but such a lewd one...

Wasn't sure if I should post /a/s version of the pic but you guys probably want the original.

>>6049224
I'm afraid not and I'm not home at the moment to make any.

>>6049251
You're being a shithead just to be a shithead it seems.

Black Square was one of the ballsier modernist works. It's important, and personally, I think it's badass. You could burn your life to ash trying to dismiss it or whatever, but it'll still be there, it's giant black balls cradled lovingly in your mouth, with me cheering it on.

>>6049253
Aren't you a white heterosexual?

>>6049251
What do you mean when you write that it is a complete joke of a painting?
I didnt not post it but i like it for what it did back than. Can you not appreciate things while taking into account the realities of the time?
Were newtons laws not brilliant and was he not brilliant because we now know that they were lacking?
I can appreciate them even now, cant you?

Could someone help me to find a picture? It's somehow similar to this one, a clown sitting on the moon. Last time I saw it years ago as a child, no idea who the artist could be.

>>6049253
Look at the guy on the bottom right. He is breaking the barrier, looking at us. Why? Because This is not suppose to be taken as an attempt to be serious. He is as if winking at us telling us that there is no way this could ever be "freedom"...that's how I see it.

>>6049291
difference is that newton was at the absolute forefront of physics at the time while the black square was inferior to even cave paintings
>>6049283
that's not ballsy, my friend did a back-flip from a four story building into a pile of snow, now THAT's ballsy

>>6049315
The Louvre is GOAT when it comes to classic sculptures. Their exhibitons of ancient middle eastern stuff are awesome too. I could spend weeks in that place, except for the area around the Mona Lisa.

>>6049324
My cock is bigger than yours, shitmouth

>>6049333
okay scribble-lover

>>6049329
>except for the area around the Mona Lisa.

Pic related: It's you

I dont know if its specific to Bernini but i was always very impressed with this one because of how realistic those leg muscles look as they are being grabbed and pressured by the fingers of Pluto.

>>6049353
Nah, I'm not that bad but have you been there? It's terrible. Masses of fat, sweaty tourists in shorts stampede down the corridors, not paying any attention to the other paintings, just to get a look at the Mona Lisa through the camera lense of their ipads for 20 seconds.

>>6049353
Boy, you're really something, aren't you? The reason he said that is because the area around the Mona Lisa has a population density of about 100 people per sq. ft. I myself almost got suffocated there, and the actual picture itself was … underwhelming. It's pretty far away from your sight even when you get as close as you're allowed to to it.

>>6049324
The black square was at the forefront of art. I guess you are of the position that only technically complicated pieces are valuable?
Is the best music the most complicated one?
We all value novelty and new ways of looking and presenting things. That is what the square is.
You seem to be acting like a child now and instead of thinking about the valid points I presented, you just bark nonesense like a teen that cant accept his point of view might be incomplete.

Not sure how much it counts as art but I was quite impressed to see the Codex of Hammurabi in the Louvre.

>>6049385

>>6049384
>Is the best music the most complicated one?
Yes, if we are speaking theoretically. Imagine a line sprouting out from the origin in both the positive and negative direction, where the length of the line is proportional to the complexity of the work and the quality of the work is a point somewhere on that line. A little bit of complexity allows you to make okay to bad artwork. A lot of complexity allows you to make great to terrible artwork. Close to zero complexity and the quality of the work is approaching nothing, as if it never even existed.
>We all value novelty and new ways of looking and presenting things. That is what the square is.
I am pretty certain that the concept of the square dates back to the ancient greeks at the very least. As for novelty, it's not something that's inherently valuable. You've probably never experienced having your dick sandblasted with salt but I doubt it's a valuable experience, or, to make a more apt comparison with the non-value of the black square, eaten a hamburger without the sesame seeds on the buns, but you don't cry out for those novelties.

anyway the square is garbo

>>6049384

I agree that Black Square and Duchamp's Fountain were huge turning points in the history of art. After that moment art stopped being relevant to the vast majority of peoples' lives and descended into a masturbatory, pseudo-intellectual pit of garbage that produces nothing of cultural value.

The legacy of those two "pieces" is that the purpose of of modern art isn't to create art, it's to generate controversy. It doesn't create anything new, it just shits on old things while pretending that shitting is itself a form of artistic expression. And the bigger the shit you take, the more people you piss off, the more influential you become.

That painting you're defending is probably the biggest shit ever taken on art. After that it was a race to the bottom, a race to see who could make symbols and ideas meaningless the fastest. And now that they've reached the bottom they're just going to continue to shit on each other's turds forever.

That's the legacy of that shitty painting you're defending.

>>6049480
>After that moment art stopped being relevant to the vast majority of peoples' lives and descended into a masturbatory, pseudo-intellectual pit of garbage that produces nothing of cultural value.
Now now, don't shit on the skilled and passionate people making movies, music, comics, tv shows and video games. You've fallen for their scheme, letting them grab ahold of the term "art".

>>6049480
Right, so all of modern art is garbage? Jackson Pollock for example?Surely his painting can fit you initiate taste?
Should everyone keep painting classical expressionist and impressionist art for the end of times?
What about hyperrealism? That should also cater to your tastes yet it is modern.
Why are you even here? Cant find a better thread to troll?

;)

>>6049523
>What about hyperrealism? That should also cater to your tastes yet it is modern.
not him but hyperrealism is garbage, it's pretty much entirely painting aping photography(and by that I mean literally painting based on existing photographs) and is pretty much entirely focused around the banal

I mean all art is pretty banal thanks to the banal, post-transcendental society we live in, but hyperrealism goes a step further

Try and prove me wrong please, I'd like to see a single good hyperrealist painting before I die

Inc'ing

The Much Resounding Sea

>>6049561
There you go.

>>6049561
>Try and prove me wrong please
But your criteria makes this impossible. You dislike hyperrealism because it is hyper realistic. You might as well have said "Picasso's blue period is rubbish, prove me wrong please, but don't post anything with the colour blue in it."

>>6049599
As I said, banal...
Or in this case bananal

>>6049561
The idea behind hyperrealism is painting things to look as if they were photoes. How does that make it garbage?It is interesting to look at.
I should have known better than to try to talk about art in /lit/ You guys should stick to reading books or refrain from making conclusive statements about other things.
You represent the kind of people who would tell van gogh and Monet to get the fuck out of the Académie des Beaux-Arts.
Not only is hyperrealism interesting and looks unique it also requires a lot of time and high technical skills.

>>6048978
It's shit, and you ruined this great thread by posting that retarded picture.

>>6049561
here.

>>6049561
There you go.

>>6049523

I agree with your point of view. In the century since Duchamp pulled down his pants, took a squat, and shit all over Western culture the majority of self-respecting artists have continued to innovate. And were it not for Black Square, you'd be correct.

But we don't live in a world without Black Square, we live in the world with it. And in that world "art" doesn't just mean Jackson Pollock and hyper-realism. When we as a culture decided to allow a signed urinal and a crudely drawn black square to be classified as "art", the flood-gates were opened. Skill and craftsmanship, aesthetic appeal, emotional resonance, none of that is important now.

In the world created by the painting you're a fan of, the only thing that matters is the intent. Every smeared turd on the wall, every dick drawn in a bathroom stall, every tree with a name carved into it, if it was done with the intent to cause a reaction of any kind in the person observing the piece is now a piece of art.

And by the criteria for what constitutes art that you yourself endorsed by posting that black square in this thread, modern art is a cultural wasteland.

>>6049643
Oh right, I forgot about this guy, he's pretty cool.

is this a good painting or am I just a pleb

what? i like it.

>>6049670
disgusting.

>>6049670
Honestly, what the fuck is this kind of shit? Why is this considered art?

I mean, you got insane moronic losers making "art" now. Look at that fucking stupid moron German that talks about always answering in grunts, screams, and grimaces as a kid and just puts swastikas on everything.

>>6049658
I did not post the black square, I say it again.
Your argument is a non sequitur.
Any pleb can appreciate Kandinsky's paintings and they were heavily inspired by "the black square".
All abstract art was influenced by Supemratism.
Just go away, learn something than come back.

>>6049368

>>6049633

Not him, but your answer is as banal as he claims hyper-realism to be.

>it's interesting
>technical skills

You may as well say "it's good because I like it".

The real question is "why would someone paint like a photo when they can take a photo". That's where the really interesting debate about hyper-real visual art lives.

>>6049698
Jesus, what's his name? The wanted him to organize the Bayreuth festival and fired him when they realized what a retard he is and how much it would cost, right? Isn't his name Meese or something?

>>6049698
>Why is this considered art?
It's funny.

>>6048947
>>6048805
Bacon and Goya, my two favs
though I mostly prefer Goya's black paintings

>>6049453
not him but you are retarted mate, how can u act so arrogant on lit board?

Go read that part of ana karenina with visit of russian painter in italy if u cant understand shit

>>6049078
this is at the Detroit Institute of Arts and is pretty huge and cool to see in person

>>6049770
Why are "horror" paintings so fun?

>>6049770
That one's in the Tate Britain too. They have a very nice mix of modern and classic art over there. I can only recommend you guys to go see that place if you should ever be in London.

>>6049804
They're hard to pull off without just looking like kitsch

>>6049793
>Detroit Institute of Arts

I bet if you bid them a decent amount, they'd let you take it home with you. Poor bastards must have armed guards on the door just tp protect the artwork from the city council.

>no keith

>>6049453
It's hard to put this in a less condescending sounding manner, but you know nothing about art.

Sadko in the Underwater Garden

Ilya Repin

1876

>>6049833
o-kay bud-day, introduce me to your fantastical weaved-together wonderland worldview where your gay-ass square is great art then

>>6049818
The DIA is really nice. There are lots of misconceptions about Detroit, both warranted and unwarranted, but the DIA is fantastic. I doubted from the very beginning of the bankruptcy proceedings that art would ever be taken. And now they are a separate entity from the city and will be financially set for the future.

>>6049845
Maybe you could give me an answer: if I finally would make it and travel to the US, which museums or galleries should I see?

>>6049896

>>6049899

>>6049902

>>6049854

Speaking as a non-american who's visited the US and A a lot, I'd say just go to NYC. It's not the only place in the states with galleries and shit, but there are so many of them and they're so good that travelling extensively would be a waste.

The O'Keeffe museum in Santa Fe is cool, but obviously not worth going to if you don't like Georgia O'Keeffe. Santa Fe is also a pretty cool place.

>>6049845

My comments about Detroit were largely comedic (although when the city went bankrupt there was some talk that they'd plunder the museums because apparently they're packed with surprisingly cool stuff).

I'd actually really like to visit Detroit - I find it fascinating that a 1st world country could basically say "ah, fuck those guys" about such a massive and iconic city.

Never been to Chicago either - typical foreigner.

>>6049907

GOAT self-portrait

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>>6049921

>>6049924

>>6049716

Do you understand what non sequitur means? Non? We'll get back to that later. You seem to be having problems understanding, but the argument I presented is very simple:

You believe that Black Square is art.
If Black Square is art, all of the things I listed are also art.
If all of the things I listed are also art, then modern art is a cultural wasteland.

Non sequitur means "does not follow". As you can see, each link in the chain of the argument follows the formal structure of logic precisely, which is to say, it follows. Well, now you know what a non sequitur isn't. But you're still no clearer to understanding what a non sequitur is.

For that purpose your last post will prove useful.

Your argument, as far as I can tell, doesn't follow as follows:

I did not post the black square.
Your argument does not follow.
Any pleb can appreciate Kandinky's paintings and they were inspired by the black square.
All abstract art was influenced by Suprematism.

Because your argument does not follow, and I did not post the black square, and any pleb can appreciate Kandinsky's paintings, and all abstract art as influenced by Suprematism, you need to go away, learn something, then come back, modern art is not a cultural wasteland, and

As you can see, you broke almost every law of logic when you decided to tack two unsupported conclusions and a feeble insult to the tail end of a few assumptions.

Further, you claim that the painting to the left was inspired by someone drawing a square. You also claim that because you posted earlier on an anonymous message board that you didn't post the square, it should be obvious to anyone else in the thread that you're not the one who posted the square. You finish by claiming that I need to "learn something" after demonstrating that you don't understand the meaning of the phrase "non sequitur" or the correct usage of the words "than" and "then".

Because you don't understand basic English, logic, or common concepts, you're ignorant.
Because you accuse me of ignorance, you're also a hypocrite.
Because you think that everyone knows who you are on an anonymous message board, you're an idiot.

Because you're an ignorant, hypocritical idiot, it's a waste of my time arguing with you. Because it's a waste of time arguing with you, I'll ignore your inevitable, ridiculous response. You're an idiot and you should be ashamed of everything about who you are as a person.

>>6049854
What the other guy said. Unless you're doing a big cross country trip, check out the Met and MoMA in NY. They have lots of smaller museums/galleries, but those are the big 2. Pretty much every major city in the US has a legit art museum and each has a couple super famous paintings of their own.

>>6049910
You should check out Detroit, it's becoming a lot better and tourist friendly. I live here and it's weird but neat to run into Asian or European tourists when I bike around downtown.

I also don't really get the "1st world gave up on Detroit" thing. It's not the Federal Gov. or the State's fault that Detroit is what it is, it's Detroit's. The number one reason it's declined is population loss (which itself was influenced by factors such as the economy and racism). You can't make people live here if they don't want to. So now you have a city designed for 2 million people that is only populated by under 700,000.

>>6049753
>Isn't his name Meese
Yeah, lookd it up. That's the moron.

>>6049933
AVTISMVS MAXIMVS

>>6049058
that's a thing he actually wrote? oh my god this is so dumb and written so dumb
according to him pic related is 'excremental excess' while a black square is 'sublime'

>>6049935
>It's not the Federal Gov. or the State's fault that Detroit is what it is, it's Detroit's.

I'm not totally au fait with the situation, but yeah, I know it's a complicated mare's nest, but to me it just seems so strange. I can't imagine it happening to Rotterdam or Dusseldorf or Birmingham. It's one of those utterly weird situations that Baudrillard would have loved.

It just seems like the country at large should be a bit embarrassed about it to me. When I was a kid, I only knew a few US cities: New York, LA, Vegas and Detroit were about it, so it's weird to see that Detroit is on its uppers.

I'm oddly pleased to hear you say it's getting better. I don't know why.

>>6049942
>oh my god this is so dumb and written so dumb

The irony of you calling a famed writer out while being unable to write a correct sentence is just delicious.

Please post more, I implore you. Which other cultural figures do it dumb?

>>6049917

>>6049976
>he's a famous writer so he's right
I don't know why I expected anything more from the bookworms at /lit/ but you still let me down

and you didn't even respond to his post

>>6049966
I know what you're saying. It's probably different from Rotterdam or Dusseldorf because of the suburbs. When black people started to move to the city, all the whites moved out to the suburbs which literally still have plenty of room to expand. While the city itself is rough, the suburbs are very wealthy and among the nicest in the entire country. So if your neighborhood is starting to go downhill, why try to fight it when you can move out to the suburbs? That's what tons of people did.

>I'm oddly pleased to hear you say it's getting better
That's nice to hear. Attitude alone is a huge part of the city's problem. Just in the last 10 years it's become more and more cool for suburbanites to go back into the city, but you still encounter lots of people who will never set foot in it. But it is getting better, and there are lots of hipsters/yuppies moving in. Many core areas, like downtown and midtown and a few other neighborhoods, are much much better with lots of new businesses, but there are tons of outlying neighborhoods that are just as bad as you can imagine. They're not even bad, they're a literal wasteland. It's crazy to see. But the city is working to demolish ever blighted structure and replace every streetlight, so that will be nice.

Oh, and the schools are absolutely terrible, which is probably in the top 3 biggest issues that are holding the city back.

>>6049976

Zizek has terrible taste in art and film, my comment was comical because what he wrote there is actually -that- dumb, in general he is not that intelligent but that whole paragraph had me laughing out loud 'it tries to represent something that is unrepresentable, it's surplus, it's shit! now look at this square, how much it says about the sublime!', truly hilarious

btw if you want a good essay about art read Derrida's Memoirs of the Blind, it's fairly accessible and he says some mind blowing things in it

>>6048978
You can't fool me. It's a cocktail napkin

>>6049061
Because nobody cares. The janitor came by last night and deleted a couple of the shit threads and left the rest. Did no one report them?

>>6049147
Never seen it before. Is she a Hungarian cutie?

>>6049166
It's well done, but incredibly racist. Sours the whole experience. Orientalism will often do that.

>>6049234
Great painting. Nothing to feel bad about

>>6049162
This guy. Its pretty lonely on my wall though, I should get more.

>>6050013
>lots of hipsters/yuppies moving in.

Yeah, I read somewhere that a lot of artists and bohemian types were mocing into the city because you can literally buy a house for a few thousand dollars if you agree to live in it for a year or something.

It would be cool if Detroit became the Paris or Harlem of the 2020s. Maybe I'll move.

>>6048956
>Caspar David Friedrich

mah basketball american.

>>6049162
>prints of on your walls?

I don't have any prints in my flat. Most of my friends are artists so I have originals on the wall.

In my house in England I've got pic related on the wall, and I still love it. Only print I've ever bought and I still keep seeing things in it.

>>6049162
Caravaggio's sacrifice of Isaac and pic related (the center panel) which I still have to find a frame for

>>6049990

>>6049933
Autist detected. Some random 4channer says one of the most famous and influential works of art is garbage. OK, MR logic 101.
Hope you feel real smart cause despite you thinking that you sound smart cause you know some basic logic, you sound like an absolute autistic horse's ass to anyone who has an interest in art and painting.

>>6049274
post it anyways, i'm curious.

>>6050111

>>6049933
Here, this should be up your alley.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lNI07egoefc

>>6049257
What astrology figure is picking it's seat?

>>6049658
Oh, I like that.

>>6049825
Naw. I can do that.

>>6049911
Quit wasting space.
>>6049921
Is that a misspell? "too"? It makes no sense

>>6049162
I have Klimt's Judith and Glenn Barr's Bad Betty (seated at a table)

>>6050129
Hadn't seen that one

something from my mittel-europe-an homeland

De Kooning

>>6050170
>Is that a misspell? "too"? It makes no sense

If you're so retarded you need to have English interpreted for you then here: The destruction of art is also art.

If you're foreign then fucking apply yourself. If you're a native English speaker, then fucking kill yourself.

>>6050172

>>6050170
>Hadn't seen that one

Vermeer's finest work for my money. Awesome from close up - Vermeer's a god of painting.

Since I'm posting a series of hometown pics, here's a Clara Peeters.

>>6048978
i saw black square at tate modern recently. i stared at it for ages

nothing more to add

>>6049139
who by?

>>6049053
if AG-D said it, then it's true. he is the best art commentator ever. his programmes are always great.

>>6050186
and some massive mucha (cz obviously)

>>6050114
It's pretty telling how basically all the defense of the black square in this thread have been with referring to it's fame and influence and none by actually defending the picture itself.

>>6049365
yes, i've seen that. the unfortunate thing is that the corridor you go down to see the mona lisa contains other works by LdV, which are (some say) better than mona lisa, but most people just ignore them

>>6050177

Restless Demon, sinful sprite,
Who hath summoned thee from night?
Here thou wilt not find thy mates,
Nought of ill may pass these gates.
Hence, avaunt, foul fiend! nor dare
To soil my saint, my special care.

To him the Demon with a scornful smile,
His eye inflamed with jealousy the while,
And his breast swoln anew with poisonous hate :
"She is mine, not thine; too late thou comest, too late;
Thou art not here to judge us — I, not thou,
Am lord; behold my stamp upon her brow;
Spoiled is thy sanctuary, fallen thy throne.
I am her lord and lover, I alone".
One long sad look the guardian angel cast
On the lost sheep, and soaring upwards past.

>>6050206
are u a retard?

the picture itself in the form it has made its influence and fame

what do u want to hear? muh just black square, muh technically lame?

>>6050165
>>6049632
Pre-Raphaelites represent

>>6050037
sorry, we reached the image maximum: http://www.fybertech.com/4get/13327020342615.jpg
>>6050117
Nah, she's a russian cutie. Not complaining though.

>>6050238
You're not even comprehensible lol

>>6050180
Ah. Missing punctuation.
Early morning head.
Shoot yourself. Make some art that way.

>>6050179
I've seen plenty of this on old water towers and back allies

>>6050188
The ellipses aren't sitting well with me for some reason.

>>6050195
Caspar David Friedrich, again

>>6050256
>we reached the image maximum
Now go finish off the older art thread ;)

>>6050307
>The ellipses aren't sitting well with me for some reason.

I couldn't care less.

I don't really like the picture either, but it's new and I went to see it on Tuesday so I thought I'd post it.

>>6050203
Yep, he's a cool guy. Bit smug sometimes but he knows what he's talking about.

>>6050332
It's like the table is tilted wrong, but I can't tell why I see it that way. Weird.
Nice picture though. Would hang by a kitchen hearth with the cheese board.

>>6049311
There were thousands variants of this from the 70s to the early 80s, every "modern" household in the western world had a print.

>>6050411

I see what you mean actually, but I don't think it's the table, it's the brezels - their perspective seems off.

My theory is she was doing the painting, her husband comes in, thinks "mmmmm, pretzels", eats them all and now Clara's got to paint them from memory, all the while seething about her stupid fucking husband and how he can't leave the fucking pretzels alone and there's some herring in the cupboard he could have eaten but oh no, he's got to have the pretzels that I'm fucking painting hasn't he?

>>6050434
kek

>>6049622
Fantastic. Please be so kind as to tell me its title and its painter.

>>6051008

It's called Google Image Search by Y Spoonfeed-Mongs

>>6051023
Thanks, I can use that from now on. And fuck you for calling me names, you little fucker.

>>6051082

You're fucking welcome. Painting's by Grimshaw btw.

>>6051023
out of curiosity has anyone been paying attention to the circle jerking thats been going on in these threads?

First I see black portrait and then I see a dude replying to his own post circle jerking trying to troll other people. Its quite hilarious, he's satirizing art very crudely but humorously at the same time

>>6051106
>I see a dude replying to his own post

If you're implying that >>6051023 and
>>6051008

are samefags, you're wrong. I'm one of them.

>>6048871
when i look at this my first thought is ninja turtles

>>6051143
no i'm just saying the other guy is from the other post outside that conversation

>>6051145
Gee, I wonder why...

>>6049667
omg i can't believe someone painted this

>>6051106
That person here >>6051143 is right, I'm the other of them.

>>6051099
And it's too fucking late now, you.

>>6049243
wow that is so meaningfull.
lol not

>>6049243

>as people did when they were brand new.

The irony is that had most of /lit/ lived through truly revolutionary art movements, they'd have been on the side decrying it as degenerate or whatever.

/lit/ dickrides Joyce now, but in 1919 they'd be treating him the way they do Tao Lin now.

>>6049028
Edginess is dead.

>>6048930

Can someone interpret this for me, or link me to an essay or something? I have no idea what to make of it

>>6051407

's an egg looking at a curtain, you never seen a egg look at a curtain before?

>>6051436
An egg that is both a woman's torso and a phallus

>>6048864
some people might not like it but it really shows how far we as a species and our art has been able to develop since we developed the 'zoom' and 'crop' tools

>>6049131
whenyouseeit.jpg

>>6049155
I really like this one, made me stop scrolling to actually look at it.

>>6049171
swede detected

>>6049229
nicee

are there artists that do pieces solely to match aesthetics?

Because I'd like something that can define a space on the wall

Or do I just go to a Ross or Marshalls and pick something?

>>6048983
>Grosz-George-Metropolis
this has to be the best painting ive ever seen

>>6048978
I'd say it is the seminal postmodern painting. It is not a black square, but the kind of darkness one sees when closing eyelids. It is, therefore, quite a calling for silent reflection, a reminder of reason and pleasure, done in almost hyperrealistic fashion.

>>6051743
It's upside down, and it's a bathroom tile

>Not one mention of the smiley face in the corner.

>>6049658
Spoken like a true plebeian. And probably proud of it.

>>6049933
Take it easy Sheldon. And you're begging the question:

>If Black Square is art, all of the things I listed are also art.

>>6048924

2spooky

>>6049453
You unbelievable anthem to Down's Syndrome awereness. What a record shattering retard. Keep going, you're fun.

>>6052297
Sorry, awareness. Huuurrrfewdw

>>6050046
I like this a lot. I wonder if its a big painting.

>>6052537
Yeah i think it is a big one.

>>6048878
oooh i like

>>6049453
>technical over concept
You want draughtsmen then, not artists.