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You say Foucault and Derrida, I say Confucius and Hobbes

>>6034967
How is quoting Foucault from memory necessarily an acceptance of authority?

>>6035055
This

>>6034967
Is the pic saying that she's acting contradictory? She's not. Whoever made the pic's an idiot. Every human faculty is conceived on the idea of power, rejecting other's who try to bend power to their will is only natural.

>>6035055
This.

>>6034967
no

geist = german word for spirit or mind. heavily freighted with meaning in philosophy, from hegel

ideology - system of belief. can include a network of interrelated concepts

spook - a particular/individual concept, not necessarily systematic or encompassing as and ideology. not nearly as widely circulated in philosophy as a concept compared to hegel's 'geist.' if you said spook more people would take you to be racist than familiar with stirner.

>>6034967
Is this macro supposed to be aimed at Femi?

>>6035060
It's called "Scumbag Continental Philosopher", it's a meme going around with Analytics.

>>6035082
I know where they come from. Care to explain the distinction between [absolute] Geist which Hegel says even men such as Napoleon and Caesar unwittingly serve, and Zizek's conception of ideology?

>not nearly as widely circulated in philosophy as a concept compared to hegel's 'geist.'
I really don't know what this has to do with anything. "Spook" is certainly a play on Geist though, and a lot of Stirner is basically taking apart Hegel's idea of supra-individual Geist and saying it's just social reification.

>>6035067
This.

>>6035149
That

>>6035150
The other thing

>>6035114
>continental philosophers are not necessarily scumbags

>>6035149
Hear, hear

>>6035055
Because obviously not liking arbitrary or unnecessary authority means that you cannot find merit in anything, ever.

>>6035217
>>6035055
You autists don't get it.

The image is implying she goes to the trouble of memorising foucault, or does it so often that she can remember in detail, but never challenges Foucault's ideas. Her rejection of authority is thus incomplete.

I know autism is hard to deal with, good luck in future.

>>6035130
The way I think about these terms is that 'geist' is totalizing. Think of skull knight using the blade of resonance on Griffith only to play into causality. I don't think this is what is meant by 'ideology'. Even though there is a connection in the sense that it is an unrecognized undercurrent (though maybe someone could wittingly recognize the geist's movement and work towards it), even the most dominant of ideologies can be opposed substantially whereas I don't imagine the geist can.

>>6035164
>analytics are not necessarily memelords

That picture makes my heart go doki doki.

>>6035237
>if you are against authority you can and should challenge everything, ever
>even if it is without fault
>namecalling

>>6035270
lines of flight
always becoming
breaking the chain

>>6035270
Or maybe you don't claim to reject authority.

>>6035287
That's not even a proper haiku. You should be ashamed.

>>6035054
You say Confucius and Hobbes, I say Calvin and Hobbes.

>>6034967
>if you agree with someone too much, you're authoritarian
Yeah, no. Also, intellectual authority can much more easily be justified than political or societal authority.

Regarding your question, no. Geist can be both spooky and ideological, but it is also the only thing that can critique either. The quest for spook-elimination is itself tainted with ideology, though. It's almost like we're dealing with some kind of dialectic of, among other things, enlightenment.

>>6035428
>Regarding your question, no. Geist can be both spooky and ideological, but it is also the only thing that can critique either.
Ideology is the only thing that can critique ideology, yes.

>The quest for spook-elimination is itself tainted with ideology, though.
Spook [ideology] elimination is tainted with ideology because nothing it outside of ideology.

>It's almost like we're dealing with some kind of dialectic of, among other things, enlightenment.
I think you mean dialectic of pure ideology. :^) It doesn't come any purer than teleology.

>>6035490
Ya well, and there's the problem I have with pomo faux marxism, thatm'everything is power relations/ideology' meme. That pretty much makes those concepts meaningless.
Our normal mental capacities are not at any rate ideological or spooky. The spooknees comes in through our attempts at justification, which is motivated ideologically, i.e. an adjustment to our social conditions. Thus, ideology is what turns the Geist into a spook.
>teleology
Critique itself is teleological in a way.

>>6035536

All human behavior is conditioned by the operation of the social order. Name one thing you've thought or experienced outside of a relation to a social ordering

>>6035536
>Our normal mental capacities are not at any rate ideological or spooky.
No, but Hegel's Geist is not just mental capacities in a concrete sense, but rather something much bigger that everyone serves without realizing it. When he talks about individual Geist, such as in Phenomenology of the Spirit, that's one thing, but he sees that as a facet of a much greater Geist that we all work for.

>Critique itself is teleological in a way.
Yes, but not in a reified sense.

>>6035547
Yeah, that obviously raises the question of how critique is possible at all. I'd go with random divergence, due to biographical events.
>>6035553
Yeah, the absolute spirit of Hegel clearly is pretty damn spooky. It's not simply identical with the concept of spooks though, as there are more and other spooks/ variants of a spooky spirit than that.

>>6035572
>Yeah, the absolute spirit of Hegel clearly is pretty damn spooky. It's not simply identical with the concept of spooks though, as there are more and other spooks/ variants of a spooky spirit than that.
Hegel's Absolute Geist is all spooks, it is the soup made from every spook as an ingredient. Hegel just treats spooks as a mass noun instead of a plural. On and individual level, a Geist isn't a spook, it's simply the manufacturer of spooks, but Absolute Geist is the total spook output, it is building an artificial Geist which uses us like we use spooks.

>>6035067
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>>6035055

>Defending the faggot king
>Proving the image right this hard

>>6035920
>faggot king
>the meme is right you guise xD

>>6035237
You autists don't get it.

The image is implying that the people who question the submission to power have to refine and train themselves in the sense of the neoliberal ideal they criticize to gain the theoretical background that allows them to do so. Also quoting by name means that you dwell on the authority of that name.

I know autism is hard to deal with, good luck in future.

>>6035060
>pure ideology

>>6034967
No, Stirner completely ignores the unconscious
Or else he would realize he was full of spooks