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From a purely atheist perspective, which religion is better, Christianity, or Hellenismos?

Hellenismos

pros
Earlier Western civilization
Inventors of philosophy
Great epics

Cons
A lot of people aren't sincere believer
Superstitious ideas
Basically dead

Christianity

Pro
First widespread monotheistic religion
Basically started the Renaissance and pulled us out of the Dark Ages
Helped advanced science through the miniscule system, physical laws and calculus

Cons
Internal strife
American Creationists
Now considered backward by pop culture

>> No.6001940

Christianity because Western society is founded on Judeo-Christian values while with Hellenismos is just a meme religion.

>> No.6001999

>>6001929
who taught you history? they should be fired

>> No.6002014

>>6001940
Freedom of speech: Socrates' idea
Freedom of religion: Alexander the Great's
Feminist: Plato's idea
Universal human rights; Antiphon the Sophist
Anti-slavery: Philemon and Alcidamas

Just which Western value comes from Christianity?

>> No.6002020

>>6001940
Gotta agree

>>6001999
care to elaborate?

>> No.6002024

>>6001940
If Hellenismos is a meme religion, then Christianity is a forced meme religion.

>> No.6002031

>>6001940
>Hellenismos is just a meme religion
Oh yeah, damn memeposters those Ancient Greeks...

>> No.6002062
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6002062

>>6002024
>>6002031
>they think Hellenismos is synonymous with ancient Greek religion

>> No.6002071

>>6002014
>Just which Western value comes from Christianity?
Feeling sorry for yourself and blaming others, valuing negative over positive freedom (e.g. liberal vs. Athenian democracy).

>> No.6002122

>>6001929
You are aware that Plato and Aristotle were against mythos, right?

>> No.6002125

>>6002062
More synonymous with ancient Greek religion than contemporary Christianity is synonymous with ancient Christianity.

>>6002071
Okay, granted.

>> No.6002157

>>6002122
You are aware that mythos is just the Greek word for "plot", and that using it to mean "myths" just sounds pretentious, right?

Myths are to Greek theology as Aesop's Fables were to Greek zoology. You are autistic if you think the Greeks took either of those literally, Herodotus freely rationalizes the myths despite being obviously religious, and playwrights rewrote them as they pleased. Some complained the myths were blasphemous, yes, but most felt it didn't offend the Gods to represent them as cads in a literary setting, often for the purposes of illustrating human flaw.

The idea of belief in God being synonymous with faith in myths didn't start until Christianity.

>> No.6002186

>>6001999
this

>> No.6002306

>>6002186
Mind elaborating?

>> No.6002483

>>6002014
This is not only a bit of an ahistorical projection (but not totally), it's also "a-genealogical": it doesn't matter who first thought about it, those Western values were produced from within the Christian era independently of other cultures. And their flavor today (liberalism) is closer to that of Christianity than Ancient Greece.

>> No.6002492

>>6002483
Ah, no, they were not. These Western values only seriously achieved manifestation throughout the West during the Enlightenment, a revival of Greek ideas.

>> No.6002493

Hellenismos

Its more culturally important. Christianity mostly just has Dante

>> No.6002507

>>6002493
And Dante drew his inspiration from Vergil (who obviously was extremely emulative of the Greeks) as much as the Bible, if not more.

>> No.6002536

>>6001929
>Internal strife

Not really. Just pick Orthodoxy or Catholicism. Both are going strong internally.

>American Creationists

I don't live in the US, so I don't see how that matters.

>Now considered backward by pop culture

Because "pop culture" is mostly the US and they think American Creationists are Christians. Catholic Church has believed in evolution for over 60 years. Orthodoxy believes in evolution. Archbishop of Canterbury believes in evolution. Pretty much fucking everyone with a brain.

>> No.6002584

>>6002536
>Not really. Just pick Orthodoxy or Catholicism. Both are going strong internally.
But they're at strife with other factions of Christianity, and historically killed many.

>I don't live in the US, so I don't see how that matters.
This is as stupid as a Muslim saying what Muslims are doing in Europe and the Middle East don't matter in regards to Islam, since he doesn't live there.

>Because "pop culture" is mostly the US and they think American Creationists are Christians.
How are creationists NOT Christians?