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Because of the french revolution.

The Christian world realized Christianity was holding them back from the advancements that were happening all over in science and medicine.

Islam didn't have to worry about such advancements, so they never stopped to realize Islam was holding them back.

Because these dune coons, even after a western education, still believe a man in a cave was given God's book.

>>5991972
How exactly is Christianity "holding back" scientific advancements?

Postcolonialism. Europe/Russia's fault. They fucked up everyone, even America.

>>5992000

>muh you're playing god

Religion is something you turn to in times of trouble. Europe was doing good, expanding, it had less need of religion. When the Islamic world was more on top of things and had a huge empire from Spain to east asia it was significantly more relaxed about the religion and allowed for religious dissent and questioning. Now Muslim countries are being squeezed in a variety of ways and Islam is under pressure to change people are embracing the religion tighter. That is of course in very broad terms and there are always local differences.

>>5992000
>Christianity was holding them
>How exactly is Christianity
Reading is an important skill.

>>5991960
But Islamic world was largely secular for most of 20th century, until failures of secular democracies there largely due to imperialism and western nationalism.

>>5992018
Objections to things like cloning are rational objections, not religious taboo.

Religious and radical political "revivals" and "revolutions" are an easy sell when you are surrounded by corruption, hoplessness and economic depression, which are usually found together. And since both are by definition restrictive, authoritative and ruthless in their tactics, whether their justification is solidarity with the workers, or obedience to god, it's easy to purge dissenters, and usually only extremeists are brutal enough to survive. It's a remarkably easy trap to fall into, since controlling the apparent excesses of other parts of your society can often be rationalized to justify all sorts of repressive laws, market controls and social "leveling" tactics. look at america in the greet depression, and the different "solutions" advicated by splinter groups.

>>5992029

Because secularism is an ideological formation that emerged gradually and under particular circumstances in Europe. Why would we expect it to 'work' everywhere, or insist that it be adopted universally?

Also consider how most of the Muslim world has experienced secularism. It has usually been imposed in a top-down fashion by strongmen, has often been accompanied by politically-motivated persecution of religious organizations and institutions, and has always (and rather correctly) been viewed as a foreign import.

Because secular countries are more succesful than theocracies. A king making decisions based off self interest is better than a priest making one based off values set down a thousand years ago

Holy shir did someone really ask how Christanity holds back science? Well ok, instead of resources going to science it goes to priest to build churches. They try to cut funding for stem cell research, cut education, tell women they should be at home instead in a lab cutting the talent pool by half. They say Evolution is fake the Big Bang theory is fake

>>5991960
the rise of nominalism and Protestantism

Christian Europe developed a separation between inner self and outer world which was followed by another separation between sacred and secular areas of life.

In the Islamic world secularization is only possible when it's pushed by government (Turkey, Iran under the Pahlavis), and the past 50 years have actually seen a religious revival in most countries: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_revival

The real question is why are secular, socially liberal countries better places to live in than religious, socially conservative shitholes? Even within Western Europe places such as France and Germany are better off than Poland, Italy and Ireland

>>5991960
There wasn't any difference in religiosity between Europe and the Islamic world until the late 1970's. Several key factors: Iranian Revolution, Soviet invasion of Afghanistan, Israel's humiliation of Arab Socialist regimes, the Oil Shock.

>>5993994
Poland and Ireland have a long history of being used by neighbouring countries so I don't think your argument is very valid.

>>5993994
Poland was ostblock
Italians are lazy pigs + lot of albanian imigrants and overally southern eu attidude
Ireland is Ireland

>>5992047
>"stop playing god"
>rational objection
Yet it's so merciful to allow chikldren to be born from shitty genetics into shitty households where they live a shitty life that they hate and many will commit crimes that Christianity says gets them sent to Hell without exception.

Because us Christians have grown out of extremism. Comparatively, Christianity is a lot older than Islam.

In a few hundred years the Muslims too will settle down.

>>5994026
>In a few hundred years the Muslims too will settle down.
If the theocracy ends.

>>5994026
>us Christians have grown out of extremism

Depends what you mean by extremism, there are still plenty of intensely religious Christians in the US and the third world.

You can thank the greatest anomaly in history, the enlightenment, where aristocrats came to the decision to forego their power to extend prosperity amongst all peoples.

They are essentially the social justice warriors of yesteryear where you have trust fund babies who want to give up their privilege.

>>5994010
>Commit crimes that Chrsitianity says gets them sent to hell wiout exception

There is literally no crime you can commit that will make you unable to get to Heaven in the Christian belief system. If Hitler believed in Jesus, he's in Heaven.

The only people that the Bible says are going to be judged harsher are teachers, since they have to make sure the kids is learned good.

>>5994063
>learned good
Your teacher is going to hell

>>5994056
typical athiest shitposting. keep beliving in nothing

>>5994080
Whoa nice rebuttal xD

Render unto Caesar what is Caesar's and into God what is God's.

Islamic countries were secular 50 years ago, though. Women in the major cities didn't wear veils. Was pretty modern. Iran, Iraq, Afghanistan, etc. before revolution happened.

Because Islam is truth.

>>5994080
Pointing out that Evangelicals tend to take religion seriously is shitposting?

>>5991966
Because of the Protestant Reformation

>>5992042
This
Before Wahabism, most middle-eastern countries were secular.

I appreciate Christianity, but the fucking afterlife and Resurrection is just so ridiculous

>>5991960
Go to a fucking library and read a history book that doesn't have a Fox News-tier moron's name on it.

>>5994300
more ridiculous than just death and nothing?

>>5994330
>babby is afraid of dying

>>5994330
How is 'just death' ridiculous? You don't expect anything of a bird after its organs cease to function, why would you expect anything different for humans?

>>5992000
Idk faggot ask Galileo

>inb4 it was the church as a political entity not christianity