/lit/ - Literature

Traditionalist Catholicism.

Sufism

>>5976835
>having a harlot's aesthetics
That shit has enough blind to make a rapper's eyes hurt

>>5976851
>Degrading Baroque architecture.

Aum Shinrikyo

>>5976851
that shit looked corny as fuck before the paint washed off

>>5976835
This by far.

>>5976865
Some of it is good. The extra gaudy supreme with double gaudy is not, though.

>>5976877
You really can be sure of that, since how the pain looked is just speculation.

>>5976883

>>5976886
>inpoverished ascetic protestant's eyes getting hurt

FUCK THE PLEBS
GREATNESS WILL NEVER BE CONQUERED BY MEDIOCRITY

>>5976888
They used gaudy bright colours, mate. And dinosaurs had feathers.

The past wasn't as aesthetic as we like it to be.

Classicism > classics

>>5976892
http://youtu.be/p4amEWUw6t4

>>5976892
Das it mane.

>>5976900
I'm not a Protestant, though, I'm a Hellenist. I prefer classical style.

>>5976905
yeah, sure

THE AGE OF SOULLESS MODERN MINIMALISM IS OVER

LONG LIVE ABUNDENCE

Say what you will, but we all know Hinduism has the dankest mythology and literature

>>5976924
oh, and to compare with "guesses" of color

The skin tone alone on these guesses is ridiculous, it's light as fuck whereas the Greeks considered bronze tanning to be aesthetic for males.

>>5976928
>Decadent art
>having a soul

>>5976929
can't into aesthetics though

those temples and shrines look like a bad disneyland replica from china

Muslims win architecture

>>5976941

>>5976938
/lit/ of all boards should know that aesthetics play an important part in literature

>>5976943

>>5976938
Eh, I'd say it varies. Consider pic related...

>>5976930
>The skin tone alone on these guesses is ridiculous, it's light as fuck whereas the Greeks considered bronze tanning to be aesthetic for males.
for males, but white for females

>>5976947

Christianity, at that one time they dared to show what they are: fiery, frightening, willing to sacrifice others, powerful and wicked. Gothic era is the best era. Their churches from that time constantly amaze me. They are absolutely marvellous. Make feel irrelevant and small.

The poetry of Blake and Milton's understanding of the Bible are relevant as well, and we are on a bleeding literature forum anyways.

"He doth give His joy to all:
He becomes an infant small,
He becomes a man of woe,
He doth feel the sorrow too.

Think not thou canst sigh a sigh,
And thy Maker is not by:
Think not thou canst weep a tear,
And thy Maker is not near.

O He gives to us His joy,
That our grief He may destroy:
Till our grief is fled and gone
He doth sit by us and moan."

>>5976956

>>5976950
...Now compare it to this

>>5976941
>>5976943
>>5976947
>>5976956
>>5976961
AVE MARIA, gratia plena, Dominus tecum. Benedicta tu in mulieribus, et benedictus fructus ventris tui, Iesus. Sancta Maria, Mater Dei, ora pro nobis peccatoribus, nunc, et in hora mortis nostrae. Amen.
AVE MARIA, gratia plena, Dominus tecum. Benedicta tu in mulieribus, et benedictus fructus ventris tui, Iesus. Sancta Maria, Mater Dei, ora pro nobis peccatoribus, nunc, et in hora mortis nostrae. Amen.
AVE MARIA, gratia plena, Dominus tecum. Benedicta tu in mulieribus, et benedictus fructus ventris tui, Iesus. Sancta Maria, Mater Dei, ora pro nobis peccatoribus, nunc, et in hora mortis nostrae. Amen.

muh flying temples :^)

Vedas is best aesthetic.

>>5976928
GLORIA IN EXCELSIS DEO

>>5976961

>>5976828
Religion does not conclude aesthetical rules. I mean look at christian temples all over Europe, almost every country has a slightly different style. Aesthetics evolved with society in which religion was only part of the factor. Therefore your question is fundemantally wrong.

>>5976952
the frieze depicts males....

>>5976979
Seems you're only factoring in architecture. I meant ceremony, music, poetry, mythology, etc.

>>5976968

بسم الله الرحمن الرحيم

قُلْ هُوَ اللَّهُ أَحَدٌ

اللَّهُ الصَّمَدُ

لَمْ يَلِدْ وَلَمْ يُولَدْ

وَلَمْ يَكُن لَّهُ كُفُوًا أَحَدٌ

>>5976984
>music
>poetry
>mythology
>ceremony
Catholicism wins. Hands down.

>>5976990
Aren't you too busy shooting cartoonists to post on the chans?

>>5976995
This.

>>5976995
Messiah is not a Catholic song.
>muh chant!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7SNw-DxkEY0

>>5976941
During Al-Andalus golden age times they made some beautiful things. They make some horrible shit nowadays.

>>5977003
Lol.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xDQREd7Ahys

>>5976945
And you should know that the aesthetics of a faith don't stop at its texts.

>>5977006
Terrible, perhaps just because I've heard that sort of music so many times in film that now it sounds bombastic and trying to rouse emotions by queue

>>5977017
No, that's because you're an uncultured pleb, the dregs of the earth.

Try this if you're too pleb for Vivaldi:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xDQREd7Ahys

hey musselmans why don't you paint a nice picture instead of your shitty little doodling all the time?

Hey, Other Religions, where's your Caravaggio?

>>5977020
I actually like Vivaldi quite a bit, just not his Magnificat.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4MdFsZQFeyU

I also like Mozart quite a bit, but I don't like Mozart's Requiem.

>>5977020
By the way, you posted the same piece as before.

>>5977041
woops

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZEf3h65Im-g

>>5976976

Exsultate Deo adjutori nostro;
jubilate Deo Jacob.
Sumite psalmum, et date tympanum;
psalterium jucundum cum cithara.
Buccinate in neomenia tuba,
in insigni die solemnitatis vestræ.

>>5977043
Mozart was a Freemason :^) If you get to claim that as Catholic Music, then I should get to claim any paintings done by Catholics of Greek mythological scenes as Hellenist art.

>>5977047
Lol...?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3aX7eE1b_OY

>>5977044
>j
>æ
Epic New Latin m8

>>5976999
>le butthurt french face

>>5976828
Catholicism

Also the most logical religion with the most evidence going for it

>>5977057
No, dude....no. Your taste is pleb as fuck.

I can find better religious music for your religion than you can

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zzUy2LxhRVs

>>5977005
Burj khalifa?

>Many artists and art critics consider it the finest portrait ever created.

>>5977076
That is not better in any way. If you want some earlier catholic music that is 'superior' (according to a common misconception that vocal music is in itself more 'christian(?)), you're gonna have to go with other renaissance composers.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yddaAhSQb-k - Agnus Dei from Palestrina's Missa de Beata Virginie

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lOMvd80HvqU - Victoria's O Vos Omnes

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T_Q_5G5LMS0 - Gesualdo's Tenebrae Factae Sunt (my favourite renaissance composer, all memes aside)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=24UnJlSKgYk - Allegri's Miserere, a true classic

>>5976886
There is excess and there is balanced abundance. It's a matter of taste, but I find the example in >>5976835 to belong to the latter. That's not true for all baroque architecture of course.

>>5976976
>Needing fancy architecture.

>>5977114

>>5977104
You seriously can't tell the difference quality between these three sorry pieces and what I just posted (third one is good)?

It's not about singing or instrumental, it's about sounding different from all the other music of its time.

>>5977123
Did you listen to the Gesualdo one I posted you beyond-saving pleb?

Or are you just trolling?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iT-ZAAi4UQQ
>40-part
>widely considered to be the greatest piece of English early music
>one of the greatest choral works ever composed

>>5976929
They had some beautiful temples too.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2XUC2MQ74DE

let that catholic music roll yall niqqas

Stabat Mater: Pergolesi's or Vivaldi's?

>>5977125
I said you posted three sorry piece but the third one (out of four) was good.

>>5977137
There is no way you could listen to every single one of them in seven minutes, thus you talk shit and are a total uneducated retard. Listen to more music.

>>5976828
Islam and Shinto (or, if you want to consider it a single category, Traditional Japanese Religion which includes Shinto, Zen, Shugendo, and others)

>>5977140
I didn't, I don't listen to garbage. Third was good, the others have no discernible talent, they are notable for literally no other reason than historical.

>>5977153
Troll confirmed. Please leave this thread.

>>5977135
>>5977104
>>5977057
how the fuck do I find more of this music

these are the most beautiful sounds I've ever heard

>>5977163
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fZ_FeBMsIlw - Alonso Lobo, Versa Est in Luctum

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fZ_FeBMsIlw - Tallis, O Nata Lux

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fZ_FeBMsIlw - Tallis, Salvator Mundi

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nRmkj19i4Yk - Palestrina, Exultate Deo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w743skBk09g - Lassus, Missa pro Defunctis

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w743skBk09g - Schütz, Die mit Tränen saën

(skip a few years)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w743skBk09g - Mendelssohn, Mein Gott, warum

>>5977173
Post some more please.

>>5976840
It doesn't slightly strike you as charismatic Christianity?

>>5976995
No love for Shintoism?

>>5977346

Depends. There are lots of varieties of Islamic Sufism, ranging in sophistication from local saint cults and Pentacostal-like ecstatic writhing to the most towering heights of theosophy and mystical ceremony.

>>5977367
I like this post

>>5977352
he's a Catholic shitposter if you haven't noticed.

>>5977389

i think his posts are good

First tell us what makes something more aesthetic than something else

Hellenism is objectively the most aesthetic religion. Next Question?

Atheism ("the martial art of the mind") is actually scientifically the most aesthetic, according to Sam Harris.

>>5976995
Are you yourself a catholic?

>>5976924
Meme

>>5977438
>According to Sam Harris
this doesn't help your claim, anon

I'd say it depends on one's idea of what's aesthetically pleasing.
Hellenism is p aesthetic I'd say. Dat Dionysius worship. Also Apollo is rather aesthetically pleasing as a god if i do sayso myself

John Frum Cult. Basically a bunch of black dudes praying to a white guy to bring them canned meats.

>>5977438
>Atheism ("the martial art of the mind")
This is what fedoras actually believe

>>5977438
>Atheism ("the martial art of the mind")

wtf lol

Doesn't take much more than IQ > 80 to reject theism. Hardly a martial art, m8.

>>5977092
why?

>>5977092

>not posting the superior version

>>5977088
That's American neofuturist architecture, paid for by some Arab who happened to sit on an oilwell.

Glorious building though.

>>5978423

If the building isn't theirs, why did GOD give them the oil to build it?

>>5977876
*tips fedora*

try harder catholics

>>5977114
>>5977116
>needing fancy displays of unity and conformity

looks like a nazi rally tbh

>>5978444
God's country, America, allowed them to hang on to that oil. It's charity in a way.

>>5978464
sorry? it looks like a nazi rally?

>>5978451
>hey largest religion in the world and functioning theocracy with the loyalty of a billion followers and a legacy of some of the greatest art the world has ever seen, try harder so you can be like this bitchmade mountain cult that got their shit handed to them by a bunch of communists, never did anything of merit and takes pride in a crude ugly fortress

>>5978471
Nothing wrong with nazis, but pretending to be humble while putting on a massive display is a bit silly and dishonest.

>>5978493
Like I said, try harder

>>5976941
>>5976977
>>5976961
>>5976947
>>5976956
Bretty impressive muslim friends, but why don't you post pics of your core religius place? Gotham City

>>5978517
Unchallenged champions don't need to try harder, m8.

>mfw the dalai lama isn't even allowed into his own shitty palace

>>5978617
probably the most post-modern place in the world

>>5978617

>Saudi Arabia
>Expecting new money to have a good aesthetic sense
>Expecting anti-historical Wahhabi barbarians to respect traditional styles

Schismatic oil kings aside, there's no denying that Islamic architecture cultivated pure aesthetic design more impressively than any other tradition.

>>5978682
But that's to be denied very easily if you like Catholic imagery better than geometric stuff.

>>5978707

That's kind of what I'm saying. The Muslim aversion to figurative art forced designers to concentrate purely on what was visually impressive and appealing. Catholic architecture is usually less 'purely' aesthetic; at least part of its appeal requires that its viewers find meaning in the figures it depicts.

>>5976950
>>5977129
I think we can agree that keeping their architecture is improved by keeping Hindus away from the goddamn paint.

the same is true of Antiquity

>>5978682
>>5978812
Islamic art/architecture tends to look like shit up close IME, and while to be fair maybe I've never seen any of the real good stuff, on the other hand there are plenty of backwater churches and cathedrals that have really incredible, detailed artwork that was done by some local/provincial type. It's not without merit, but Islamic aesthetics aren't the best.

>>5979004
>we can agree that keeping their architecture is improved by keeping Hindus away from the goddamn paint
>keeping their architecture is improved by keeping
I think we should be keeping you away from the paint too, huffboy.

>>5976929
Like what. Post links please

I'm not even trolling I've been looking for an introduction to Hindu literature for days

>>5979038
Kali best Goddess

Aghori best sect

look into the latter, you'll be interested

>>5977005
Why the fuck would you build that right on top of your holy city


Seriously why do Muslims go all "muh heritage" and then do shit like this

>>5978493
are you implying largest = best

kekekekkek

>>5979017
>Islamic art/architecture tends to look like shit up close IME,

Attention to detail has been one of the most impressive features of lots of the places I've visited, especially in Morocco/Spain. This hasn't been my experience at all.

>on the other hand there are plenty of backwater churches and cathedrals that have really incredible, detailed artwork that was done by some local/provincial type.

This is also true of the Islamic world in my experience, or at least those parts of it with well-established local styles. I certainly found it to be the case in Morocco and Turkey.

>It's not without merit, but Islamic aesthetics aren't the best.

I completely disagree. Painting, music, and some other kinds of art are probably better elsewhere, but no other religion's architecture comes close.

My interest in Islamic architecture has probably biased me toward it, because I don't see the elegance of Catholic architecture nearly as readily as others seem to. Even some truly lovely cathedrals seem a bit vulgar by comparison.

>over 100 posts
>not a single mention of Orthodox Christianity

Latin pedophiles, prepare to get BTFO by the patriarchy

>>5979143

>>5979143

>that table
>that cordon

Ruined it.

I didn't expect this to be an architecture thread when I opened it. You are so superficial /lit/.

>>5977005
I personally think it looks awesome. Its weird how such a people agree with having it overlooking the temple though.

>>5979057

The worst fucking part is the asymmetry. It kills me. The main movement of the pilgrimage is radial and the architecture should reflect this.

They need to bulldoze everything they've built and take a minimalist approach.

>>5979178

Architecture is the biggest, best, and most important visual art. Deal w/ it faygit.

>>5979205
>radial

*circular

>>5979207
is it?

>>5979219

Can I live inside of a shitty painting of a soup can?

>>5979207
I agree, but that was not the point. The point was that I hope you guys were discussing the aesthetic of religion, not of some buildings.
It's like discussing the wrappers instead of the candy.

>>5979224

What's the candy?

>>5979223
Is the aesthetics of your living space the most important part of your life?

>>5979235

More important than what's hanging on the walls of that living space, I'd say.

>>5979143
>>5979160
orthodoxy is cool but rome wins on aesthetics, bruv. orthodoxy wins on actual faith and practise though

>>5979239
how about architecture is one facet of a larger artistic tapestry

>>5979057
saudis be on some cyberpunk shit breh

>>5979281

>>5979285

>>5979290

-You are a mandala of light, there are no sacred places outside your body-
Tibetan Buddhism pushes all your shit in.
/thread

>>5979315
>>5978451

Catholicism, hands down.

>>5977438
>Atheism

Atheists attend atheist mass too. Check out 'The Sunday Assembly', I'm sure there is one in your area.

>>5976930
"Tanning" does not equal "dark skin."

>>5977389
Actually he's one of the few half-decent tripfags on /lit/.

>>5979281
Is that intended to be a bottle opener for Aloha Snackbar?

>>5978682
imho:

use geometry as art << use geometry for art