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Has Art fully transitioned into a new Era, that being of the Abstract and what seems Neo-Expressionism ?

Anyone care to share thoughts onto why and if you like it?

Pic very related

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>>5952968
>Anyone care to share thoughts onto why and if you like it?

Low quality bait.

>> No.5952998

>>5952968
>pic related

that rothko's over 60yrs old m8, wouldnt exactly call it new

>>5952991
when did you get so cynical

>> No.5953004

>>5952991

>Got mad
>Saw Butterfly trip
>Got madder

>> No.5953005

it transitioned to installation and new media art a little while ago. abstract art is old

>> No.5953007

>>5952991
What's with contemporary art and those bright straight lines on top of a realistic painting? It's everywhere.

>> No.5953008

>>5953004
>new media art

No it didn't and fuck Installatoin, LOOK AT ME IM ART

Fucking Art fags

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>>5952998
It's an actual Rothko? I thought it was a photoshop imitation.
Cynical? It's early... Maybe the OP is just being narrow minded.

>>5953004
I got a little mad at this thread. The state of art is everywhere, and so mostly has nowhere to transition to.

>> No.5953019

>>5953008
yes it did

try going to an art gallery sometime

>> No.5953022

>The state of art is everywhere, and so mostly has nowhere to transition to.

That doesn't make sense ,Anon . The style and formation of Art can always alter , explain or have your opinion considered irrelevant

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rothko is sublime, but i still consider matisse the greatest colorist

>> No.5953031

>>5953024
Rothko is utter shit, Matisse is a light year better .Why do people even like Rothko

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>>5953022
>The style and formation of Art can always alter
That's what I mean.

But it is early and I have to go. later

>> No.5953038

>>5953031
utter shit?

>> No.5953048
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>new era
>60 years ago
>no longer a big tendency
3D printing is marking its way and it could end up with cool stuff. People still do every single style invented somewhere in the world, though, it's not a hive mind.

>>5953005
Installations are undoubtely the main focus of galleries and museums since a couple of deaces ago, even though the general idea started in the 60's. It still has some space to evolve, which is cool. At least I feel that way seeing how things like giving new uses to set spaces and different screens are still opening new ways if you compare it with Nauman or any oldfag.

still, it's a bit tied to new technology and many times it ends up looking more like an add than a piece of art. I really like people like Jim campbell who make their own shit.

>>5953008
>look at me im art
I really don't get what you're trying to say. Are you complaining about happenings?

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>>5953031
what do you dislike about rothko?

>> No.5953063

>>5952968
Dude, it did this ages ago. We're trying to transition out of it now.

>> No.5953065

>>5953063

To what?

>> No.5953068

>>5953065
square-dancing

>> No.5953073

lol, that garbage is passe

we will now revert to a new era I call infantilism, which is devoid of academic theories, expressly anti-intellectual, and that prefers simple fables with nice moralistic and happy endings, with a minimal and cute aesthetic. In painting this will come across as a return to forms/figures and allegorical tales. This is the "new sincerity" that wankers keep talking about.

BANK ON IT M8S

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>>5953031
I just looked up Matisse and this faggot can't paint for shit. I actually prefer Rothko. At least his paintings are frank in their shittiness.

>> No.5953083

>>5953048
>it's not a hive mind.
>started in the 60's
>Installations are undoubtely the main focus of galleries and museums since a couple of deaces ago

Are you currently studying Art at an academic level ?

>> No.5953085

>>5953065
As it has been stated before, installations have been the rage for the last few decades. From simple close circuit stuff to complex multiscreen laser mapping designed to cover a whole museum. And since it's tied to technology you can have an easier time getting a sponsor.

>> No.5953090

>>5953081
> I actually prefer Rothko. At least his paintings are frank in their shittiness.

I bet you like Warhol too

GET THE FUCK OUT

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>>5953073
kinkade has come and gone, friend

>> No.5953093

Did Rothko ever discover a shape other than the rectangle?

>> No.5953098

Murukami and Matisse are the only good artists in the last few decades , anyone else is not good at all or enough

/thread

>> No.5953110

>>5953083
I should be getting my masters next year and maybe, just maybe, going for the full phd.

I still see a large variety of productions even if there are clear tendencies to each era, I was just trying to say that. With the case of installations it all started in the 60's because it was tied to the first TVs and attempts to give new life to the museum, motivate movement and bigger pieces with a low budget. It was the result of a context, not a hive mind.

I post silly trap pics but I don't believe that animu is some sort of superior art or anything like that.

I'm sorry if my english makes me sound retarded.

>>5953093
Most of his works don't really have rectangles outside of the big one that separates the painting from the wall.

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>>5953091
these paintings lack a divine simplicity
they are too impressionistic / fantastical

these don't display an infantile imagination, there what an adult thinks falsely is the infantile imagination is like

>> No.5953115

>>5953110
Who's your favourite Artist

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>>5953111
Japanese art is closer to the aesthetic I'm looking for. The impressionists like Monet and Renoir got fairly close, but still a mile off.

>> No.5953119

>>5953110
>Most of his works don't really have rectangles

Can you post a single one that doesn't have a rectangle?

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I found a deviant art image that isn't that far off. It lacks prettiness though.

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>>5953098
matisse has been dead a while now

what do you like about murakami? i've always found his work hammy tbh

>> No.5953129

>>5953093
His early stuff is nice
Then he just made it for money

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>art
you mean painting

Also, what's /lit/'s opinion of Beksinski?

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>The life and career of Abstract Expressionist painter Mark Rothko is a prototypical Jewish story that encapsulates a range of themes discussed at The Occidental Observer. Central to Rothko’s story is the political radicalism of eastern European Jewish migrants arriving in the United States between 1880 and 1920; the reflexive hostility of these migrants and their descendents to the traditional people and culture of their new homeland, and how this hostility was reflected in the artistic and intellectual currents that dominated Western societies during the twentieth century. Rothko’s story also exemplifies other familiar themes including: the force of Jewish ethnic networking and nepotism in promoting Jewish interests, and the tendency for Jewish “genius” to be constructed by the Jewish intellectual establishment as self-appointed gatekeepers of Western culture.

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>>5953115
I don't have one, I believe that most people who can name a favorite artist just haven't seen enough. I have a personal thing with Goya and so I tend to bring him up a lot, but even around his time there were a lot of interesting artists. It's also a general question, I'm assuming you mean painting but you just can't compare different arts.
This thread made me remember Turner (pic related) and he's a genius.

Who would you say is yours?

>>5953116
Wiki a concept called "mono no aware"

>>5953119
How about the OP?
If you want to consider rectangles it's okay, I don't think his work is better or worse if you generalize the shapes as rectangles.

>>5953111
I had never heard of Kinkade. He's like the american poor man's Turner?

>> No.5953140

>>5952968
remember that he was only trying to communicate and expose tragedy

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>>5953132
sick of seeing this shit posted everywhere. worse than pic related

>> No.5953144

>>5953133
a good meme image is worth more than rothko

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>>5953119
not him but yeah there're a few

>> No.5953147

>>5953135
>I don't have one, I believe that most people who can name a favorite artist just haven't seen enough.

i've been taking art history at uni for a few years now and i've come to think this as well

>> No.5953148

>>5953135
>"mono no aware"

cheers, this is a useful concept

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>>5953124
Use of color and imagination, creation of schizophrenic mishmashes in designs , generally fun paintings and unique symbols

>> No.5953157
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>>5953135
lol
kinkade's and turner's paintings are very different

I don't know why when people post turner paintings they don't post this one
it's the one I think is a masterpiece.

>> No.5953160

>>5953135
>Goya
Same here with Goya,
turner is also fucking great too

Rubens is my soul mate

>> No.5953161

>>5953141
Did you try to find the lowest quality possible of that painting or what? I mean, at this point it's more the work of the guy who invented .jpg artifacting than it is of the original painter.

>> No.5953167

>>5953135
>I had never heard of Kinkade. He's like the american poor man's Turner?
he's a hack and a joke, that's what he is

>> No.5953168

>>5953161
no i just typed in 'ivan death painting' and got the first full-sized picture i saw

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>>5953135
turner is a genius indeed. you should watch mr. turner if you havent already. stellar film and performance by spall

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>>5953141
Then you can make it your work to spam other great paintings.

>>5953147
Do your classes have a particular sort of angle? I'd really like to know how people teach art in different places.

>>5953148
I've been using it for proposals tied with sort of readymade things. I also like "wabi sabi".

>>5953157
Well, he really liked his boats and his focal points of warmness. What makes you feel that one is the absolute best?

>>5953160
>Rubens is my soul mate
You're cute!

>>5953167
So the Bambi was his idea or someone with photoshop wanted to be funny?

>>5953174
I had never heard of that film, I'll check it.

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>>5953179
>You're cute!

Are you a woman?

>> No.5953188

>>5953179
>Well, he really liked his boats and his focal points of warmness. What makes you feel that one is the absolute best?

this

>Turner has used the triangle of blue to frame a second triangle of masted ships, which progressively decrease in size as they become more distant. Temeraire and tugboat have passed a small river craft with its gaff rigged sail barely catching a breeze. Beyond this a square-rigger drifts, with every bit of sail extended. Another small craft shows as a patch of white farther down the river. In the far distance, beyond the second tugboat which makes its way towards them, a three-masted ship rides at anchor. The becalmed sailing vessels show the obsolescence of sail.

>On the opposite side of the painting to Temeraire, and exactly the same distance from the frame as the ship's main mast, the sun sets above the estuary, its rays extending into the clouds above it, and across the surface of the water. The flaming red of the clouds is reflected in the river. It exactly repeats the colour of the smoke which pours from the funnel of the tugboat. The sun setting symbolises the end of an epoch in the history of the British Royal Navy.[9]

>Behind 'Temeraire', a gleaming sliver of the waxing moon casts a silvery beam across the river, symbolising the commencement of the new, industrial era.[10] The demise of heroic strength is the subject of the painting, and it has been suggested that the ship stands for the artist himself, with an accomplished and glorious past but now contemplating his mortality. Turner called the work his "darling", which may have been due to its beauty, or his identification with the subject.[11]

it sums up a part of the history of nation (my nation actually) so well
the nostalgia is real.

>> No.5953197

People in the future will gradually tire of endless reiterations of the same abstract post-modern blah.

The future of art to a large extent will probably be a situation where what is highly valued and respected are highly technical and hyper-realistic drawings and paintings that take immense skill to produce. The kind of stuff that takes months to finish and when its done all the various angles, shadows and textures are like a massage for the eyes.

>> No.5953208

>>5952968
Are all well-regarded painters capable of technically proficient painting and simply choose to do otherwise? Can Hemingway write elaborate prose?

>> No.5953212

>>5953197
>hyper-realistic drawings
Hyperrealism sucks though, you might as well take a photograph(and indeed that's what they usually do, the hacks). Maybe if you painted something fantastical that you simply couldn't take a photo of it would be good.

>> No.5953218

>>5952968
>>5953005
Installation art is definitely the realm of the most interesting work being done today, thanks in no small part to what Rothko was doing in attempting to allow for a strong, religious, contemplative experience to emerge from one's interaction with the work.

James Turell is a good example of someone who is taking the ideas of Rothko and transferring them onto a medium that allows the piece to overtake the viewer.

Rothko to no small extent changed the realm of art and imbued with it a need to regain the ritual, mysterious aspect it had prior to European representational art.

Francis Bacon is the only artist I really that has managed to make great representational art.

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>>5953212
>Hyperrealism sucks though,

Reason?

>> No.5953227

\<Installation art is definitely the realm of the most interesting work being done today, thanks in no small part to what Rothko

That's subjective and wrong anyway , it's shit unless done right and the majority can't do it right

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>>5953187
Where it counts In my heart, you silly anon, we're never gonna meet

>>5953188
I can't share the nationalistic angle but it's always nice when a really complex composition is analyzed section by section. Painting gets all the best critics while cinema gets the teens with blogs, a shame.

>>5953197
>that take immense skill to produce
Realism is easier than complete freedom. You can even fo hyperrealism with a ball pen
https://encrypted.google.com/search?tbm=isch&q=Juan%20Francisco%20Casas&tbs=imgo:1#tbs=imgo:1&tbm=isch&q=Juan+Francisco+Casas+ball+pen

>>5953208
Why would you want Hemmmingway to not be himself? We would had ended with a shittier writter.

>>5953218
The spiritual conection with Rothko paintings is a really interesting phenomena. It came in a time when the metaphysical explanation of art was loosing track and it was strangely the country the lobbied the most against it where it got revived.
Bacon is a genius and a bro.

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>>5953222
That's not hyperrealism, this is hyperrealism.
Yes, these are paintings. Yes, they're shit.

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>>5953227
Who cares if most can't do it right. Most people fail to create anything artistically interesting anyways.

There's one guy who is doing it right though and he's probably the only great artist working today.

>> No.5953243

>>5953197
My flatmate is a great fan of that, he also cannot imagine people painting from the imagination and is one of the dullest and vilest men I've had the misfortune to meet.

>> No.5953246

>>5953235
hyperrealist paintings are actually quite nice

they have a softer texture than photos that is soothing

>> No.5953247

>>5953233
>Why would you want Hemmmingway to not be himself? We would had ended with a shittier writter.

I don't want him to be not himself, I'm just curious whether someone paints that way by choice or because he has no other skill. I'm not implying that it is any less because of that, I'm just curious

>> No.5953250

>>5953235
I know THAT is shit, but Eyck isnt

>> No.5953255

>>5953212

its dosn't though, there is an intrinsic appeal to seeing something created by hand that looks very realistic.

It will only become more popular and time goes on. In an age where more and more art will be computer-generated or just splashes on paint on a canvas realism will become less prevalent and the respect people have for it will increase as they see it as a lost art-form.

I'm not talking about super-realistic art of a bowl or fruit or a realistic persons portrait, I'm talking about large pieces of art that depict entire scenes and landscapes in amazing realism. Hyper-realistic drawings of specific objects or faces are a dime-a-dozen but well-done very-large realistic drawings or paintings of entire scenes or views are pretty rare. Not a lot of artists make them because they require immense skill, patience and alot of time

>> No.5953256

>>5953250
honestly, if the old masters could say the hyperrealist paintings they would be deeply, deeply impressed
a lot of them were aiming for that level of naturalism to the best of their ability

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I like how the plastic bag around the coke can looks like the robes in old renaissance paintings

>> No.5953268

>>5953250
I wouldn't consider him hyperrealistic though, just realistic.
>>5953255
You got an example of that hyperrealistic scene painting, or are you just theorizing? I'd love to see it, I don't have anything against hyperrealism in theory, just in actuality.
>>5953256
If they saw a modern movie they'd shit their pants, and if they saw a modern video game they'd die on the spot, yet everyone here seems to scoff at video games and movies like Avatar like cheap entertainment, so clearly the reaction of the old masters is not the judgment of God.

>> No.5953269

The Painted Word by Tom Wolfe deals pretty directly with this in a non-autistic way. I recommend everyone leave this thread and find a pdf

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>>5953256
They're real, that's for sure. But it's shit.

It's not grand or holds anything imaginative or mysterious to balance the realism , it's just a picture from a Kodak camera of a face at that point.

>>5953263
No it doesnt, fuck off with that pretentious Class of 2014 Art Grad shit

>> No.5953272

>>5953247
with the collapse of set artistic standards which everyone is expected to emulate to some degree, it really comes down to a matter of personal style.
so the artists and writers of the past hundred years have been experimenting with style and so you can't expect them to live up to the high decorative standards of old masters because they weren't trying to match those standards anymore

>> No.5953275

>>5953270
that painting there is pretty kitsch mate

>> No.5953276

>>5953179
>Do your classes have a particular sort of angle?

i'm not sure what you mean. generally my classes just try to explain the contexts in which the art was created

>> No.5953277

>>5953263
agreed. the coke zero looks like some 17th century high-Dutch maiden with the Duke and Duchess to her right

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>>5953268

This is one drawing of mine of a real-life location that I drew it at - not from a photo.

I took the photo of it when the shading on trees was unfinished though so disregard that it looks bad in that respect.

I'm not claiming to be a great artist yet but this is the kind of stuff I would like to continue making and to get better at doing.

>> No.5953280

>>5953268
Of course it's not fucking hyper realism. It can be hyper now due to the resources available to create the effect, you're not going to find >>5953235
coming from Van gogh's portrait

>> No.5953288

>>5953280
If you know that's not hyperealism, why did you have to reiterate that Eyck isn't shit when I called hyperrealism shit?
>>5953279
I meant an example of a hyperrealistic scene painting, not any scene painting. I wanted to see if hyperrealism could be redeemed. Work on removing those thick outlines if you want to aim for realism by the way.

>> No.5953290

>>5953270
>It's not grand or holds anything imaginative or mysterious to balance the realism , it's just a picture from a Kodak camera of a face at that point.

I used to think like this, but then I realized that a strict realism is just another aesthetic that is as valid as a classical, romantic, impressionist, or symbolist aesthetic.
That's if you embrace aestheticism.

What your problem really is mate is that you want to reintroduce morality into art, go back to more classical standards where a discriminating taste for "the beautiful" (as a Platonic ideal) is expected. That's a valid view and I sympathize with it. I also think art has a moral obligation, however I'm not mad about modern art that has no standards anymore, because I can't expect art to have moral standards when people in general don't.

>> No.5953294

>>5953279
looks pretty Japaneezy to me

>> No.5953296

>>5953279
>This is one drawing of mine of a

Looks shit

>>5953288
Why the fuck would Eyck be hyperrealism, it's realism. That doesnt imply it to be a form of hyperrealism from Eyck unless you're not reading the thread properly

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Since we're moving out of just painting, I'm a big fan of Jim Campbell. He creates screens that serve a single purpose so it's like a middle point between a film and a sculpture.
http://youtu.be/-XJdeVjFLWE?t=12m15s
(notice the 12m 15s in case it starts from the begining, turn off the audio please)
>>5953241
I'm not fully grasping what's going on there.


>>5953247
>he has no other skill.
It's not a matter of being able to do more or not, it's about doing what you think you should be doing. Other people will do other things and life goes on.

>>5953255
The idea of skill = value hasn't been dominant in a long time. We might go back to it at some point, but it won't be a natural evolution of anything that's happening right now. You'll have to wait at least a few decades.

>>5953256
I don't think so. Their work included a certain use of the brush and the color, almost any renaissanse painter could had been more realistic, they just prefered to do their thing. You can see how the older they get the less they care about mimicking reality.

>>5953272
I get the feeling you really think contemporary painters had different styles because they just couldn't be as good as some dude with a ball pen.

>>5953276
Maybe it had a certain structure, or something that stood out for you.

>>5953268
>yet everyone here seems to scoff at video games and movies
Every single vidja as art thread has the same answer: the medium isn't artistic or not. You can paint a canvas or you can paint a wall, painture. Paint isn't inherently art.
Most old masters could consider mass entertainment repulsive because it's not for the church, just like they rejected popular music.

>>5953279
I see your stuff now and then (that one and one you did from a top a tower in campus or something like that, if I'm not mistaken). I like where you seem to be going but I don't think realism HAS to be your only route (it can, of course, it's your life). Have you seen any Sam Alden stuff? It looks like something you'd like.
http://samaldencomics.tumblr.com/
(he changes style a lot, usually when changing materials, I love his pencils but look around that long list)

>> No.5953306

>>5953290

>I used to think like this, but then I realized that a strict realism is just another aesthetic

I know it is,it's still shit


>What your problem really is mate is that you want to reintroduce morality into art, go back to more classical standards where a discriminating taste for "the beautiful"

But it is beautiful and there's nothing incorrect about it, that is objective

>when people in general don't.
Go on

>> No.5953310

>>5953306
>Go on.

Well people lack set moral standards like in the old days, a solid faith / ethos. Morality and art used to be under the inspection of a single priesthood, now it's competed for by different warring corporations / tribes, so there is more anarchy / ambiguity.

>> No.5953312

>>5953296
>Why the fuck would Eyck be hyperrealism, it's realism. That doesnt imply it to be a form of hyperrealism from Eyck unless you're not reading the thread properly
Oh, I didn't realize that you just posted Eyck for absolutely no reason whatsoever, you confused me. To answer to your original post, hyperrealism is shit because it might as well be a photography at that point, and as far as I can tell they often if not always paint according to a photograph, or they wouldn't be able to catch the subtleties. Photography is actually often better than hyperrealism, because the photographers don't have to spend time slavishly copying every detail so their range of subjects is often more complex and interesting and can't fall back on the novelty of "whoa every detail dude" so they actually have to try to depict something that's worthwhile depicting.

>> No.5953313

>>5952991
You're so cultured i wish we could all be a little more like you.

>> No.5953338

>>5953310
Basically you're describing Nietzsche's warning

I still think art should compile with morality ,
what do you prefer

>> No.5953352

>>5953312
> because the photographers don't have to spend time slavishly copying every detail

slavishly copying every detail is the beauty of it

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Vaporwave = best art movement of the 10s

>> No.5953366

>>5953361
ayyy

>> No.5953368

>>5953352
you have an odd definition of beauty
there's a reason why nobody gives a shit(at best) about art forgers

>> No.5953386

>>5953368
here's the beauty of slavishly copying every detail: it shows a deep devotion to the authenticity if the senses and nature

>> No.5953388

>>5953368
some forgers have become well known and gained followings

>> No.5953403

imo the west reached it's cultural zenith in the 80's and it's been all downhill from there.

>> No.5953409

>metamodernism.org

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>>5953403
forgot pic

>> No.5953425

>>5953409
thanks i needed a larf m9

>> No.5953448

>>5952968

Art is a reflection of power and economic reality. Art during late Capitalism has dropped its pretense of being anything else.

>> No.5953458 [DELETED] 

>>5953448
>Art is a reflection of power and economic reality

thanks for the theology, Jew!

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wudduyu think of this masterpiece I just made in MS Paint

>> No.5953471

>>5953368
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tom_Keating

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>>5953197
> future
> hyper realistic
> has not headd of chuck close circa 1979
/lit/ really isn't afraid to talk shit about things they have no idea about. Keep on, keep on.

>> No.5953474

>>5953461
I'm not joking when I say it's prettier than Rothko's
make more pls, so that Rothko's entire works become obsolete

>> No.5953482

>>5953411
Jesus christ the 80s sucked

>> No.5953483

>>5953461

Poor attention to tonality, color, texture and shape. Interesting choice of media. Presentation/execution predictable. Hamfisted and obvious commentary on the critical stage as empty of content, displaced by form.

2/10

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5953485

yummy

>> No.5953491

>>5953474
>I'm not joking
Plebs never do.

>> No.5953496

>>5953263
racially provocative, very daring

>> No.5953506

>>5953483
Agreed it's shit, please never try doing art again.

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>>5953279
nice. i like the detail on the leaves. do you have a blog or tumblr where you post your stuff?

also anyone else willing to share their work?
mine is mix of oc and other, mostly other - bjornagen.tumblr.com

>>5953300
you're the art student right? what kind of work do you want to do with your degree? im curious because im considering switching to fine arts next year

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anime is the new pinnacle of visul art

move away paintlickers

>> No.5953556

>>5953517

nah but I will when I have made more

I like your city photographs

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>>5952968
rothko is the man

>> No.5953572

>>5953485
what the fuck is wrong with the vanilla

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Love his colour

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>> No.5953599

>>5953517
did you paint that painting? it's pretty juvenile tbh,, doesn't really show any talent

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tfw there'll never be another Caravaggio

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>> No.5953621

>>5953599
and thats why you nothing about art

>> No.5953640

>>5953517
>im curious because im considering switching to fine arts next year
It depends on your country and college. Here the title makes it easier to teach and ask money to the state. It's more or less the same than a history degree but besides asking grants to study a certain thing you can ask them to make shit.
In many ways it ends up being a connections game, like always, so you might get something out of it or nothing. A master in my country puts you in the second tier to most teaching jobs, only under professors (a lesser degree anyway) and PhDs, and it branches out a lot. You can teach HS level anything from art (as in, any branch even if you don't know shit about music for example) to history and geography. College teaching spots are more fought over so it ends up being a matter of finding a chance and fighting for it.
What's your other option? I'm pretty sure that in the states it ends up being a joke title, your country cares way more about selling your work force to a company.

>>5953608
There's a ton of them. At least depending on what particularly makes him unique for you.

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>>5953599
probably a shitpost but in any case, no i didnt, its a painting by matisse of his carer lydia delectorskaya. the form may be simple but the colours are (as usual) on point, and he manages to make the eyes swim, in an almost adorable way. he is a master

>> No.5953701

>>5953270
>No it doesnt, fuck off with that pretentious Class of 2014 Art Grad shit
>proceeds to post Belinski

Painting's fedora

>> No.5953742

>>5953300
http://www.lacma.org/art/exhibition/james-turrell-breathing-light

looks cool

>> No.5953753

>>5953701
I don't get the obsession with him. His paintings are nice but that's it.

>> No.5953759

>>5953525
Fact, but include comics along with animation.

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>>5953640
not american (phew), living in australia but moving shortly to france. im finishing up undergrad psyc science atm but most psyc-related jobs are shit so im considering something else

you swear a lot for a girl btw

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5953763

More like this.

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5953800

There will never be an artist as good ever again

>> No.5953815

>>5953762
>you swear a lot for a girl btw

did you stop hanging around girls when you were 14 or something?

>> No.5953844

>>5953701
>>proceeds to post Belinski

>Painting's fedora
You don't even know his name, lol, his wrong image name fooled you.

>> No.5953859

>>5953815
I believe he's casting aspersions on the poster's supposed gender

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>>5953800
das it mane

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Kinda sucks knowing nearly all of Western art found in museums today that were created within the last 4 decades are only there because they are treated as pieces of stock, with nothing at all about merit being the reason why it became famous but its price tag instead.

Not to mention museums taking art out of its natural context and just hamfisting it into their building.

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>>5953525
This. The torch has been passed to anime.

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>>5953742
Fuck, I'd love to be there. One of the things that make installations so valid in the present is that you can't pirate them.
Well... you could take weeks and tons of money to replicate them on your own but if you're going to do that you might as well do your own thing, right?

>>5953753
Art hasn't been considered universal since Kant. It's okay not to connect with some pieces.

>>5953762
I don't type in english as I speak in spanish. I haven't really cursed since my teen edge phase, but for some reasson I get the feeling that it works better in english.

France and Germany have big art scenes, but you might have better luck closing your psych degree and trying to get into some good workshops. The kind of stuff decent authors dictate and ends up in networking.

I have no idea of how degrees work in there, though, you might want to ask some franceanon in a french thread.

>>5953763
Is that straight painture or a bit of collage?

>>5953859
>post traps
>supposed gender
I'm being sincere here, anon.

>>5953899
The exact context has passed, at least we can see them for a usually low fee. In my experience, even if the people putting money there only care about tags the people actually doing the ground work care a lot about it.

>> No.5954405

>>5953800
ughh
I just can't find anything of interest in Matisse.

>> No.5954560

>>5953098
you consider the early 1900s as the last few decades?

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>>5954405
your loss

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>>5953922

>> No.5955013

>>>5953361
*tips*

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>>5953132
He was fantastic.

Can't stand Giger or Barlow, but Beksinski strikes the right balance.

>>5953149
He's alright, but I preferred two of the other Superflat alumni better. Takano and Aoshima

>>5953174
Nice one.

>>5953275
You don't know kitsch. >>5953525

>>5953572
>what the fuck is wrong with the vanilla
Rothko

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>>5954405
he's not for everyone. I've always been interested in line and colour so matisse is almost everything I could ask for in a painter

klee, redon, avery and to a lesser extent van gogh have a similar feel - chances are if you like their work you'll come to like matisse too

>>5954040
I had a feeling you were hispanic from the way you write