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War/Military Anonymous Sat Jan 3 16:41:02 2015 No.5944749 [Reply] [Original]

Yo /lit/ recommend me some good books about war, that you think would make for a good movie adaptation.
Thanks you philosophical Fags, <3

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 3 16:47:29 2015 No.5944782 Storm of Steel

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 3 16:48:44 2015 No.5944790 >not realizing all books are ultimately about war

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 3 16:52:02 2015 No.5944811 >>5944782 >Storm of Steel Thanks. adding it to the list >>5944790 deep shit

Anonymous Sat Jan 3 18:07:39 2015 No.5945351

>>5944790
damn son

Richard Millet, La confession négative.

«Qui ne s’est jamais battu à l’arme automatique ignore tout du chant de la kalachnikov ou du M16 et de la danse qu’ils suscitent, dans laquelle le fait de tuer peut donner, hors de toute cruauté, au cœur de l’action, une jubilation singulière»
(not from this one but damn)

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 3 19:29:02 2015 No.5945837 Sven Hassel

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 3 19:30:52 2015 No.5945846 >>5944749 Clausewitz on war

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 3 19:32:07 2015 No.5945849 >>5944790 >being this edgy

>>	OP Sat Jan 3 19:52:19 2015 No.5945932 >>5945351 >>5945837 >>5945846 Thanks anons, all added to the list.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 3 20:02:15 2015 No.5945978 >>5944749 How has no one said Johnny Got His Gun???

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 3 20:08:10 2015 No.5946003 >>5944749 The Good Soldier. It's EXACTLY what you are looking to find.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 3 20:09:07 2015 No.5946006 >>5945978 Would be a good movie but The Diving Bell and the Butterfly is a similar concept

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 3 20:09:24 2015 No.5946009 Any good books, fiction or not, on Chinese wars from 1800 up to the 1970's or so (taiping especially), or just books on China in general in that time? I find it's history really interesting but the whole country is just one big gap in knowledge to me

>>	disgustingly !trap0OylHY Sat Jan 3 20:09:42 2015 No.5946011 File: 609 KB, 1200x800, m-meme.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] I really enjoyed Junger's adventures in the front lines of WW1

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 3 20:15:24 2015 No.5946024 >>5946011 I wish I could read an unedited translation of it. Apparently a lot of detail was taken out of the book in later versions, especially when he comes across the guy that he called his little british soldier or whatever.

disgustingly !trap0OylHY Sat Jan 3 20:28:27 2015 No.5946077

>>5946024
I haven't read too much about it, but for what the translator note said in my spanish version most of the posterior edits were taking things that were more or less opinions to put them together in other works. He did the editions so to a certain extent it's part of his edition process, it just took him a decade to really get sure he liked it like that.
If you want a wider picture he has more bio stuff, the edition I have include a couple of extra texts and you can tell how he starts turning into a more aesthetic writer with time.

I'd like to read his more fantastic books but they are hard as fuck to find around here

>>	disgustingly !trap0OylHY Sat Jan 3 20:30:13 2015 No.5946095 >>5946077 >more fantastic As in, fantasy genre.

OP Sat Jan 3 20:40:42 2015 No.5946150

>>5945978
Heard about this book an been really wanting to read it thanks for reminding me.
>>5946003
Thanks, you got me really interested right now.
>>5946006
Intersting

Thanks agine /lit/, i haven´t browsed here before but you guys seem to have one of the best boards

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 3 20:42:24 2015 No.5946159 >>5946009 Same. I've been trying to find Chinese history books in general and coming up dry. Rape of Nanking is the closest I've come.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 3 20:46:02 2015 No.5946182 >>5944749 On War.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 3 20:55:51 2015 No.5946228 Thucydides Blood Meridian The Iliad (with choral music narrating and the characters singing their lines). Storm of Steel Homage to Catalonia (maybe, the war is a bit half-ass even if the story is good)

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 3 20:57:50 2015 No.5946238 >>5946228 A movie or play of Thucydides' history would be top tier >great speeches >plague >Sicilian Expedition A movie of Xenophon's Anabasis would be good too.

>>	OP Sat Jan 3 21:04:55 2015 No.5946270 >>5946182 Thanks >>5946228 Wow thanks, >>5946238

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 3 21:07:46 2015 No.5946282 >>5946238 Would be, I doubt it will ever be made. They haven't made a decently accurate film about ancient Greek history since the 1960's https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vUrkewy6bkU

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 3 21:09:03 2015 No.5946291 >>5944749 War is a Force that Gives Us Meaning - great book, I think The Hurt Locker is influenced by it.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 3 21:36:47 2015 No.5946418 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w2AfQ5pa59A

>>	OP Sat Jan 3 22:21:23 2015 No.5946545 >>5946291 >War is a Force that Gives Us Meaning Thanks, Im not really a fan of hurt locker, but since you mention it i will defiantly try to read and compare the two.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 3 22:48:46 2015 No.5946636 fields of fire.

>>	OP Sat Jan 3 22:59:27 2015 No.5946680 >>5946636 >fields of fire. Thanks

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 3 23:06:07 2015 No.5946706 The Things They Carry

Anonymous Sat Jan 3 23:06:59 2015 No.5946711

>>5944749
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this is my favorite book about war

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>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 3 23:36:53 2015 No.5946805 >>5944749 The Guns of August by Tuchman

>>	OP Sat Jan 3 23:48:28 2015 No.5946852 >>5946706 Thanks >>5946711 Thanks, seeing your excitement made me put it high on the list :) >>5946717 Added firendo >>5946805 Thanks

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 4 00:20:56 2015 No.5946973 >>5946009 jonathan spence the search for modern china

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 4 00:49:38 2015 No.5947044 slaughterhouse 5 is the best book about war

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 4 01:18:02 2015 No.5947122 >>5946973 Looks good, added to the list. Thanks!

>>	OP Sun Jan 4 01:22:14 2015 No.5947140 >>5947044 I have heard a lot about it, and after hearing what it´s about im not sure it has the same thing a want to create. I will try to watch the the movie tho to see if i get interested in read it

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 4 01:43:12 2015 No.5947201 File: 15 KB, 184x184, 1368236177986.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>5946011 >plant christmas tree above trench >get half of head removed by a .303

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 4 01:45:47 2015 No.5947212 A great nonfiction historical text is Eksteins' Rites of Spring; WWI is one of the most interesting wars in history in terms of its effect on modernity, art, etc.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 4 03:27:35 2015 No.5947460 For Whom the Bell Tolls of course. Probably his best book anyway. Lol, captcha: ccoon

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 4 04:18:35 2015 No.5947564 >>5944749 The Great War in Africa, by Byron Farwell. I've always maintained that the story of Paul Emil von Lettow-Vorbeck would make a great movie.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 4 04:23:06 2015 No.5947576 war is the worst fucking thing, fuck you for making me think about it at 3 am

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 4 04:30:28 2015 No.5947593 >>5944749 No Easy Day: The Firsthand Account of the Mission that Killed Osama bin Laden by Mark Owen.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 4 09:09:31 2015 No.5948321 >>5946095 more like low fantasy some analogues of the Nazi era... Specifies >on the marble cliffs then there's the story's about his internal isolation in the modernising world.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 4 09:10:47 2015 No.5948324 >>5944749 The Good Soldier Švejk

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 4 09:11:17 2015 No.5948326 >>5948321 Eumeswil is his best work of fiction by far.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 4 09:11:57 2015 No.5948328 >movie adaptation. why would you want to ever do this to a book you love.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 4 09:26:39 2015 No.5948374 >>5947593 They sorta already did a movie, Zero Dark Thirty.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 4 10:38:35 2015 No.5948555 Which translation or release of Storm of Steal should I get?

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 4 11:28:05 2015 No.5948696 >>5948555 the Basil Creighton translation if you can find it

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 4 11:50:42 2015 No.5948782 The Red Badge of Courage

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 4 11:56:51 2015 No.5948807 >>5946238 There already is a movie about the anabasis: The Warriors.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 4 12:39:01 2015 No.5948920 File: 469 KB, 2024x2568, 1415472782453.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] i can tell its your first time posting a threa

Anonymous Sun Jan 4 17:34:24 2015 No.5949952
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Here's some interesting perspectives on Nam from specialized soldiers as opposed to grunts;

Dispatches by Michael Herr (war correspondent)
Chickenhawk by Robert Mason (chopper pilot)
Dear Mom by Joseph T. Ward (marine sniper)

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 4 18:16:57 2015 No.5950168 >>5948324 Ha, yes!

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 4 18:17:59 2015 No.5950175 >>5948782 Yes! This also!

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 4 18:19:40 2015 No.5950186 >>5944782 Classic!

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 4 18:20:42 2015 No.5950192 >>5945837 No, they are crap ...

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 4 18:22:05 2015 No.5950201 >>5946238 Thukydides and Xenophon of course!

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 4 18:24:30 2015 No.5950212 >>5945978 There is a film based on Johnny Got His Gun from the 70s - you will remember it from Metallica's video for One, which contains some scenes

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 4 18:25:44 2015 No.5950216 Do any of you war lit buffs have a link to Wilfred Saint-Mandé's 'War, Wine and Women,' first published in England 1931?

Anonymous Sun Jan 4 18:28:57 2015 No.5950227

Also the first 100 or so pages of Stendhals' Charterhouse of Parma. Just to the battle of Waterloo and the aftermath: http://gutenberg.net.au/ebooks03/0300301.txt

Also Marbot memoirs from the Napolic age: http://www.gutenberg.org/ebooks/2401

And some completely different. Jonathan Little: The Kindly Ones

Anonymous Sun Jan 4 18:53:36 2015 No.5950346

Which books of Churchill are worth reading? I originally wanted to read his WW2 series, and his History of English Speaking People, but then I looked up his writings and found that he's written an absolute shit ton. Is his WW1 series worth reading? I've been looking for books on WW1, particularly books that go more into the background and the political as well as the military aspects of the war, but the damn thing's five volumes long and I imagine there's probably better and more concise books on the subject.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 4 18:57:45 2015 No.5950370 Was watching the Three Kingdoms (2010) recently, I'm on episode 57 or something. Its a story about the warlords during the last days of the Han dynasty. Romance of the Three Kingdoms. I've heard game of thrones is similar to this, are there any other?

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 4 19:07:55 2015 No.5950423 >>5944749 >A Rumor of War by Philip Caputo

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 5 04:31:24 2015 No.5952614 >>5946717 This

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 5 05:59:56 2015 No.5952716 look if there is a translation of Воcпоминания о войне by Николай Никулин

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 5 08:53:38 2015 No.5953001 >>5952716 That would be Andrei Nekrasov's Frontline Stalingrad. Excellent recommendation! Front-line Stalingrad. Tr. David Floyd, London, Harvill Press, [1962], 320 p.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 5 09:04:04 2015 No.5953030 one soldiers war may induce PTSD

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 5 09:25:46 2015 No.5953113 >>5948782 There is a filmadaption from - i think - 1951. It's black/white. The story in it self trandcens it's historical setting andeasily translates to other eras or conflicts.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 5 09:36:06 2015 No.5953138 >>5949952 >Chickenhawk by Robert Mason (chopper pilot) I loved how something as boring as a huey pilot may seem is in fact rather awesome.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 5 09:37:27 2015 No.5953143 Does /lit/ approve of war?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 5 09:44:29 2015 No.5953170 >>5953143 >lit is one person fuck off On topic The Naked and the Dead by Norman Mailer

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 5 10:13:49 2015 No.5953271 >>5953143 The gods gave men the prostate and war as a compensation for not being women, having a clitoris and the ability to bear children.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 5 10:48:42 2015 No.5953378 >>5953001 Viktor Nekrasov that is.

Anonymous Mon Jan 5 10:50:53 2015 No.5953391

>>5953143
war, is the motherfucking answer

Man and war bred for each other. When we were hunter-gatherers, we were at war with nature. When we conquered her, then we conquered fellow man

Now we conquer the universe, life is a state of war.

Man declares war on his gods and sets out to best them

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 5 11:01:18 2015 No.5953447 >>5953143 does /lit/ approve of anything?

Anonymous Mon Jan 5 11:06:23 2015 No.5953478

>>5950346

Depends. If you're interested in his side of the story go for it. Mind you it's quite a dense read. I started by just reading the particular part of the war I found most interersting. I started with book 2 which is basically a coverage of 1940.

If you want more of a general overview you can read the books written by Martin Gilbert or Max Hastings or even Antony Beevor (though he has to be my least favourite of the three).

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 5 16:35:08 2015 No.5954833 >>5953138 Yeah it really opened my eyes. The training they had to go through (like cutting the engines mid-hover and having to recover before smacking the ground) sounds batshit insane

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 5 16:42:28 2015 No.5954854 The Centurions -Jean Larteguy

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 5 17:23:08 2015 No.5955017 >>5953478 Please tell me more. I've only read Beevors book about Stalingrad and the capture of Berlin. Why don't you fancy him? I thought he was very informative but I'm no historian

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 5 18:14:35 2015 No.5955257 >>5944749 Gaunt's Ghosts.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 5 20:03:35 2015 No.5955795 >>5944782 If it were done right, this would be one of the greatest movies of all time...certainly the greatest about war. It's never going to happen though. Read it OP!

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 5 22:04:39 2015 No.5956455 Johnny Got His Gun Slaughterhouse 5 All Quiet on the Western Front

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