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Just bought Dubliners today. This is my first Joyce novel. What can I expect from this book and James Joyce in general?

>> No.5880144

It's good.

>> No.5880146

>>5880142
And also which Joyce novel should I read next?

>> No.5880176

>>5880142
You can expect it to be a short story collection, not a novel.

I'm just messing with you, its nice. Read Portrait next, Ulysses, some of his poetry, and then Finnegan Wake if it interests you.

>> No.5880179

>>5880142

It only gets more masturbatory from here. The Dead is the best.

>> No.5880224

>>5880142

The clearest and most cohesive of his works... Ulysses, on the other hand, is a whole different animal, while Finnegans Wake is not of this planet.

>> No.5880247

>>5880224
>Ulysses, on the other hand, is a whole different animal, while Finnegans Wake is not of this planet.
I hear this a lot but I'm not sure if this is a good thing or a bad thing.

>> No.5880262

>>5880247

If you're gonna read only one, I'd say go with Ulysses. Joyce manages to cram every fucking word in the English language in it, while Wake is hyper-portmanteau dream-prose blather. I honestly believe he was yanking all of posterity's dick in writing it. Could never make heads or tails of the motherfucker.

>> No.5880264

>>5880142
collection of short stories
prose is older English with Irish colloquialisms
some are boring others are interesting

>> No.5880266

>>5880264
> older english with irish

Lol okay.

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>>5880142
>novel

>> No.5880384

>>5880262
plot twist: Joyce's schizo daughter have written Wake not him.

>> No.5880497

>>5880142
I am reading it atm, enjoying it so far.

>> No.5881315

>>5880142
>What can I expect from this book and James Joyce in general?
why the fuck do people make these threads

>> No.5881745

>>5880142
dubliners isnt a novel you fuck

>> No.5882739

hope u bought an annotated version
or know a lot about ireland in late 1800 early 1900

>> No.5882793

>>5881745
Yes it is.

The stories aren't meant to stand on their own.

They're more like chapters.

>> No.5882800

>>5880142
"In Dubliners Joyce rarely uses hyperbole, relying on simplicity and close detail to create a realistic setting. This ties the reader's understanding of people to their environments. He does not tell readers what to think, rather they are left to come to their own conclusions. This is even more evident when contrasted with the moral judgements displayed by earlier writers such as Charles Dickens. This frequently leads to a lack of traditional dramatic resolution within the stories.

It has been argued[3] that Joyce often allows his narrative voice to gravitate towards the voice of a textual character. For example, the opening line of 'The Dead' reads "Lily, the caretaker's daughter, was literally run off her feet." She is not, in this instance, "literally" run off her feet, and neither would Joyce have thought so; rather, the narrative lends itself to a use of language typical of the character being described.

Joyce often uses descriptions from the characters' point of view, although he very rarely writes in the first person. This can be seen in Eveline, when Joyce writes, "Her head was leaned against the window curtains and in her nostrils was the odour of dusty cretonne." Here, Joyce employs an empirical perspective in his description of characters and events; an understanding of characters' personalities is often gained through an analysis of their possessions. The first paragraph of A Painful Case is an example of this style, as well as Joyce's use of global to local description of the character's possessions. Joyce also employs parodies of other writing styles; part of A Painful Case is written as a newspaper story, and part of Grace is written as a sermon. This stylistic motif may also be seen in Ulysses (for example, in the Aeolus episode, which is written in a newspaper style), and is indicative of a sort of blending of narrative with textual circumstances.

The collection as a whole displays an overall plan, beginning with stories of youth and progressing in age to culminate in The Dead. Great emphasis is laid upon the specific geographic details of Dublin, details to which a reader with a knowledge of the area would be able to directly relate. The multiple perspectives presented throughout the collection serve to contrast the characters in Dublin at this time."

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>>5880146
I had to read excerpts from this and Ulysses, as well as the entirety of Portrait for English honors in HS.

I fucking hated all of Joyce's work.

>> No.5883134

>>5880179
Wrong, it only gets better from there.
Ulysses > Portrait > Dubliners

>> No.5883139

>>5883078
*I fucking was too stupid for all of joyce

>> No.5883154

>>5883139
>Once upon a time and a very good time it was there was a moocow coming down along the road and this moocow that was coming down along the road met a nicens little boy named baby tuckoo
>WOAH HE WROTE FROM THE PERSPECTIVE OF A TODDLER WOAHHHH

>> No.5883172

>>5883154
It's actually Joyce displaying Aristotelian sense theory through the first memories of Stephen. It's rather clever and intricate.

>> No.5883225

>>5883172
Clever, sure. Intricate, fine.
Interesting? Not to me.